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deffantly a lot of offensive potential but i don’t like getting cute with the 1st pick and not taking a QB.
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Remember . . . this is silly season, and the silliness is only beginning. Just wait until you see the crazy trades mock. I just hope you don’t blow a gasket when you do.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
Not a reflection of Barkley at all, but I just can’t see using the No. 1 pick on the easiest position to fill, when we have a gaping hole at the hardest position to fill. It leaves us incredibly vunrable at No. 4 to get our qb swipes by the Broncos or Jets in a trade up, just like KC did when they snagged Patrick Mahomes last year. Which, the colts could easily trade down and sit comfortably at 4 knowing 2 QBs will be picked and they’ll still end up with Chubb. That’s my biggest problem with this draft.
Barkley at 1 and Allen at 4 is my favorite scenario. I love it and hope it plays out exactly like this.
It’s just a slam dunk, team shifting draft. We get the studliest stud to enter studdom at RB to pair with Duke, and get the future face of the franchise as well. You just can’t do any better than that in a draft.
but I just can’t see using the No. 1 pick on the easiest position to fill, when we have a gaping hole at the hardest position to fill.
It may be an easy position to fill, but Barkley is a Jim Brown/AP/LT-level once-every-other-decade future HOF talent that if he’s there when it’s your turn to pick, you take, or just quit participating in organized football at any level.
That’s just honest truth and reality.
That gaping hole at the hardest position to fill is going to get at 4 any way you slice it, it just depends on by who. The big 3 QB’s of the draft are Rosen, Allen, and Darnold. All have red flags and all have stupid huge upside, you absolutely have to have one of these guys at 4, and, basic math……..one, possibly 2 of them will still be there.
Taking Barkley at 1 makes the most sense because you guarantee yourself the best player in the draft and the future face of the franchise. You don’t get both taking the QB first. It’s a no-brainer. Barkley at 1, and whichever of the 3 are either left, or is your preference.
It leaves us incredibly vunrable at No. 4 to get our qb swipes by the Broncos or Jets in a trade up, just like KC did when they snagged Patrick Mahomes last year.
Again, math says it doesn’t leave us vulnerable at all. there are 3 QB’s and 2 picks ahead of us, we are guaranteed to get 1 of them.
Like the thought process, but with Indy there Allen won’t be. And we can’t settle saying “well, we are fine with any of these guys.” If Allen is who the Browns believe is the best in the draft – you assure yourself of getting him.Someone could still jump over Denver/Jets and swap with Indy leaving Barkley there at 4 as well.
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AP just proves my point. Him and Marshawn Lynch are easiliest the 2 best 1st round running backs from the last 15 years, and they still wouldn’t have been the best picks at 1. That would’ve been either megatron or are very own Joe Thomas.
Flip it around like this: if you take Barkley at 1 and QB TBD at 4, If you hit on Barkley and miss on QB (which you are more likely to, because you are taking the 2/3 qb) you are screwed and going nowhere without a qb.
If you hit on a qb at 1 (maximize your chance to hit by getting be top choice) and you don’t get Barkley at 4, you can easily get an RB later in the draft or in FA. QB at 1 is ten o brained here. Don’t get greedy.
The other piece missing here is the odds of Luck coming back at all are slim. Don’t count Indy out on a QB.
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The other piece missing here is the odds of Luck coming back at all are slim. Don’t count Indy out on a QB.
Indy is irrelevant. Qb is too important, you have to assume a qb is going at 2 and a qb is going at 3.
If Allen is who the Browns believe is the best in the draft – you assure yourself of getting him.
Considering that the Browns are always dead wrong when they pick “their guy” at QB in the draft, I’m all for the process that leaves us with whoever is left and thus taking the decision completely out of their hands.
That has a fantastic chance for success as far as I’m concerned.
So again, Barkley at 4, and the QB everyone else tells us we should get lol.
As much as I love some Bill Wunkle draft goodness, I can’t stand this draft. Josh Allen is Kizer 2.0. We have the original, no need to grab another one. Anyone who watched the senior bowl practices can tell you that Allen may be even less accurate than Kizer.
Grabbing an RB 1st overall when there are at least 5 NFL starting RB’s available in this draft will just put us back in position to try drafting 1st overall again.
Darnold will be the 1st QB taken, which is why he doesn’t need to throw at the combine. He’ll be the 1st overall pick and he’ll be taken by the Browns.
As much as I love some Bill Wunkle draft goodness, I can’t stand this draft. Josh Allen is Kizer 2.0. We have the original, no need to grab another one. Anyone who watched the senior bowl practices can tell you that Allen may be even less accurate than Kizer.
Grabbing an RB 1st overall when there are at least 5 NFL starting RB’s available in this draft will just put us back in position to try drafting 1st overall again.
Darnold will be the 1st QB taken, which is why he doesn’t need to throw at the combine. He’ll be the 1st overall pick and he’ll be taken by the Browns.I’m not advocating Allen. Just the example. Anything but QB at 1 is a bad move.
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I’m not advocating Allen. Just the example. Anything but QB at 1 is a bad move.
That’s a matter of opinion, obviously. I’m all for this scenario.
So…what happens if Dorsey trades the pick (he hinted it’s a possibility today)?
Josh Allen is Kizer 2.0
Based on?
Soup me with some facts n stats n stuff.
I could easily claim hat he’s better than Wentz, and…..yeah we just saw all that in Philly so…
Be specific. Don’t dance. Sorry Ice, I know you dislike to put in the “work”, but I’m gonna make ya. How, is Allen Kizer 2.0?
I’m not advocating Allen. Just the example. Anything but QB at 1 is a bad move.
That’s a matter of opinion, obviously. I’m all for this scenario.
So…what happens if Dorsey trades the pick (he hinted it’s a possibility today)?If Dorsey goes anything but QB at 1 I’ll lose faith and believe we are on the wrong path until we get to the playoffs.
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Josh Allen is Kizer 2.0
Based on?
Soup me with some facts n stats n stuff.
I could easily claim hat he’s better than Wentz, and…..yeah we just saw all that in Philly so…
Be specific. Don’t dance. Sorry Ice, I know you dislike to put in the “work”, but I’m gonna make ya. How, is Allen Kizer 2.0?Uh oh, someone’s got a mancrush! You’re asking me to prove a subjective opinion? With stats? Ok. He has one amazing trait – his passing strength. In this he even surpasses Kizer. He also has one glaring weakness – accuracy. On this he is even worse than Kizer. He had a 56% completion percentage in college, playing against mostly high school level defenses. Kizer was at 60% in college, in the NFL Kizer fell to 53%. There’s less of a learning curve coming from Notre Dame than from Wyoming to the NFL so we can expect Allen to fall even further than Kizer.
Despite his cannon of an arm, Allen had fewer yards per attempt than Kizer. Kizer is better at pushing the ball downfield than Allen, and against divison 1 defenses. They both had about the same INT’s (Kizer 21, Allen 19) and TD’s (Kizer 47, Allen 44). Yet Kizer threw for about 750 more yards than Allen.
If you watched the Senior Bowl practices you would immediately lose all interest in Allen. I know you didn’t watch them because you were too busy patting yourself on the back for screwing 2 boards to a tree so I’ll sum it up for you. He consistently missed wide open receivers by a LOT. It was scary how much better Mayfield looked. Everyone points to how well Allen played in the actual senior bowl game, to which my response is “WTF you talking about?” First off the game is meaningless, the scouts all go home before the game. Secondly Allen’s 1st half performance was terrible. People are saying his 2nd half made up for it but I totally disagree. His 2nd half was merely ‘good’, not ‘amazing’. Certainly not worthy of the 1st overall pick. And when you add that 1st half to it you wonder if he’ll even get drafted by the 3rd round.
So to sum up- he has only one trait better than Kizer and the rest is the same or worse. Kizer 2.0. No thanks.
Now @shooter you tell me why he’s better than Kizer.
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According to Denver head coach Vance Joseph, Allen helped himself at the Senior Bowl working with the Broncos’ offensive staff in fine-tuning different parts of his game. Allen, who was allowed to participate in the Senior Bowl as an underclassman because he earned his undergraduate degree (communications), spent the week trying to master a 60-play game plan while also honing his mechanics.
Joseph, whose team is potentially in the rookie quarterback market with the No. 5 overall pick, said Broncos assistants brought all of the quarterbacks they were coaching — including Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield and Washington State’s Luke Falk — onto the practice field 45 minutes early each day for expanded drills.
The work paid dividends for Allen in the Senior Bowl game itself. He was named the North Squad’s Most Outstanding Player after completing nine of 13 passes for 158 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran five times for 19 yards.
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no it just flips your senior bowl comments on their head though leaving you back at square 1.
That amount of quick improvement plus his physical gifts makes him way ahead of Kizer as well.
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no it just flips your senior bowl comments on their head though leaving you back at square 1.
That amount of quick improvement plus his physical gifts makes him way ahead of Kizer as well.Wow, the Broncos coaching staff had to search so hard for something nice to say about Allen that all they came up with is “he really helped himself”. Does that mean he moved himself from a 3rd round pick to a 2nd round pick? You talk about his quick improvement, but in college he showed no improvement. He actually got worse in his 2nd year starting.
You know who’s helping himself at the Combine so far (QB-wise)?
Mayfield.
And you know who is putting up Myles Garrett-like numbers?
Barkley.
Fuck the QB discussion- this dude is lightning in a bottle of nitro glycerin. Draft him at #1. Resign Charlie Frye and shut Soup up. Get the BPA at one and let the QB you want at #4. Yeah, he’s that good.
Complete this sentence. Josh Allen is the next . . .
A – Ben Roethlisberger
B – Carson Wentz
C – Joe Flacco
D – Jeff George
E – Kyle Boller
F – David Carr
G – Ryan Leaf
H – David Klingler
I – Brandon Weeden
J- Someone Else (please specify)Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
Complete this sentence. Josh Allen is the next . . .
A – Ben Roethlisberger
B – Carson Wentz
C – Joe Flacco
D – Jeff George
E – Kyle Boller
F – David Carr
G – Ryan Leaf
H – David Klingler
I – Brandon Weeden
J- Someone Else (please specify)I’m with @ice on the Kizer sentiment, however, I won’t destroy this office if they take him. Why? Because this office actually has a smart history. First time we can say that since our return.
Side question – why do you have Jeff George on the list? If I remember correctly he had supreme talent that dramatically improved each year in college he played – but was an absolute One Who Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest nutjob.
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He is the next Paxton Lynch. A guy that gets drafted in the 1st round, needs to sit for a while, and then continues to sit and becomes forgotten.
I think Allen could be an absolute STUD in the NFL if he is brought along like Aaron Rodgers; 2-3 years on the bench behind someone learning the pro game. He won’t get that in Cleveland (or anywhere else at the top end of the draft). He needs to go sit behind Brady or Rodgers until they retire.
I agree with Ice. Allen would never sit here for 2, 3 years. I doubt he’d even get to sit for one year. A good place for him would be sitting behind Eli in NY, depending on how long he wants to keep playing. SD would be another.
As for who he reminds me of…..I keep thinking Jay Cutler.
Complete this sentence. Josh Allen is the next . . .
A – Ben Roethlisberger
B – Carson Wentz
C – Joe Flacco
D – Jeff George
E – Kyle Boller
F – David Carr
G – Ryan Leaf
H – David Klingler
I – Brandon Weeden
J- Someone Else (please specify)J…Matt Stafford with wheels
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Complete this sentence. Josh Allen is the next . . .
A – Ben Roethlisberger
B – Carson Wentz
C – Joe Flacco
D – Jeff George
E – Kyle Boller
F – David Carr
G – Ryan Leaf
H – David Klingler
I – Brandon Weeden
J- Someone Else (please specify)As a prospect, he reminds me a lot of Ben Roethlisberger, and I don’t mean that as some big praise or anything.
If you look at his tape, he makes a lot of his plays after the play breaks down, the type of backyard ball that early career Roethlisberger was known for. It took him a half dozen years in the league to learn how to be a good passer from the pocket.
Early career Roethlisberger was not a great qb, but he was on a great team with Holmes and Ward (spit) to throw to, and so they were able to win in spite of him, and he was ridiculously overrated.
Assuming Allen has a similar early career, he would be run out of Cleveland before he could develop into a good pocket passer, even if it only took him 2-3 years. So, I’m not big on him at all, even though I’m saying he looks like a douche that is going to the hall of fame at some point. Although, like soup, I also won’t be upset if they draft him.
We’ll, my thoughts on Allen are changing back to – stay the F away. Why? Savage praised him. That’s enough for me to say he’s a 75th round prospect
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Allen was the Alpha Dawg yesterday. You could see how others in the group differed to him. Thats evidently the kind of charisma and leadership he exudes that others give way to him in his peer group.
He was the best QB on the field in accuracy yesterday vs the other QB’s in the same situation. When his biggest knock and about the only knock on him thats YUGE kind of like his massive hands.
if you like at tape from this last season then the senior bowl to the combine you see his foot work getting better and better and his accuracy getting better and better. Inaccuracy due to bad footwork is a fixable issue. When you tie good footwork to the rest of his mechanics this kid can drop it in the bucket in tight windows like he did at the senior bowl.
If the Browns don’t take this kid number on overall they will have failed this franchise IMO.
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You mean the founder of the Jamarcus Russell fan club? That’s reassuring.
DawgStyle brought up Josh Allen way before I did.
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You mean the founder of the Jamarcus Russell fan club? That’s reassuring.
DawgStyle brought up Josh Allen way before I did.
Sorry, that comment was referring to Phil Savage, not you. He had a massive crush on Russell, and would’ve probably picked him ahead of JT and Megatron if given the chance.
You mean the founder of the Jamarcus Russell fan club? That’s reassuring.
DawgStyle brought up Josh Allen way before I did.
Sorry, that comment was referring to Phil Savage, not you. He had a massive crush on Russell, and would’ve probably picked him ahead of JT and Megatron if given the chance.
You are right on Savage and Russel. But to give credit where credit is do. Savage has done a SUPERB job running the senior bowl since he took that over and his observations on the talent he sees there are usually pretty good.
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