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He literally single handily ruined any chance of winning the last game of the season.
no hard feelings, but you fucking sucked.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
He got no value out of Coleman, and while Coleman was never going to be a number one, he’s better than any other receiver we have not named Gordon or Landry.
This is a dumb move, Dorsey is just being arrogant. This is the type of move that keeps us spinning our wheels. We trade depth for a fucking 6th round pick that probably won’t make the team. Dorsey is just clearing roster space for HIS PICK Ratley to make the team. Stupid, arrogant move.
It’s a little surprising, but I’d hardly call this move dumb or arrogant. I think that Coleman has talent and can be productive in the NFL, but the reality is his time here had pretty much run out. I don’t feel it was his fault as those broken hands really set him back, but he just never got it going here. A fresh start was needed. Further, while again I think he can be productive, he’s not a #1. He was going to be far down the pecking order here behind Gordon at 1, Landry in the slot, Njoku at TE (and the Redzone) and Duke out of the backfield. There’s just wan’t going to be many balls at all for him to catch. His level of production where he was in this offense is easily replaced by Louis or Ratley. There’s just not much to replace.
I’m interested to hear what the draft pick we got for him was. I’ll be disappointed if it was one of those throw away 6th round picks. If we got a 3rd I’ll be thrilled.
You can’t say we got no value out of him. The round the last idiots picked him in is irrelevant. He couldn’t catch or run routes. Clearly Haley didn’t like him. Look at Pitt WR. Haley knows what he likes there and has a successful track record at it.
Freedom!!!
Here’s also a fun fact: All 9 Cleveland Browns 1st round draft picks from 2011-2016 are gone.
Let’s let that sink in when we question why we suck, or place blame for that suck on coaches.
Here’s also a fun fact: All 9 Cleveland Browns 1st round draft picks from 2011-2016 are gone.
Let’s let that sink in when we question why we suck, or place blame for that suck on coaches.Bigger sign is 3 aren’t in the NFL and none are good
Freedom!!!
You can’t say we got no value out of him. The round the last idiots picked him in is irrelevant. He couldn’t catch or run routes. Clearly Haley didn’t like him. Look at Pitt WR. Haley knows what he likes there and has a successful track record at it.
It just came out: a 2020 7th round pick. That is NO VALUE. That’s a player that will be thanking god if he makes the practice squad for 2 years.
I get that he was down in the pecking order, but if something happens to Landry or Gordon, I’d rather have Coleman than Ratley, who will be taking his place.
I’ve liked a lot of Dorsey’s moves, but when GMs get rid of the previous regimes players just to bulldoze a path for their own guys, that’s not smart.
Here’s also a fun fact: All 9 Cleveland Browns 1st round draft picks from 2011-2016 are gone.
Let’s let that sink in when we question why we suck, or place blame for that suck on coaches.Bigger sign is 3 aren’t in the NFL and none are good
Danny Shelton is good, but was out of place because we constantly shift back and forth between a 3-4 and a 4-3.
Put it this way too, if we were in the bills position, and traded a 2020 7th for, like, a Laquan Treadwell, say, you’d be ecstatic and you know it.
I agree with MDP, I can’t see us getting more than a late round pick for him.
The good news: this is a sign that not only do the Browns expect Gordon back soon, but it’s also a sign that they’re happy with many of the new additions to the WR room. Calloway (4th round pick) was probably going to take Coleman’s spot anyway. Higgins has actually been lighting it up and showing a lot of improvement. CJ Board has been making an amazing play every day and reportedly the coaches really like him. Janus has been injured but should make the team based on being a special teams phenom. Ratley was picked by this regime and he’s been having a good camp too.
Agreed Ice, I just don’t think he had a place here is the issue. And ya know what, if guys like Calloway, Higgins, Louis, and Ratley are drawing attention, how good was Coleman really in the first place? Are we losing something by losing a guy who couldn’t separate himself from a guy like Ricardo Louis? I mean let’s be realistic here and put it into some perspective.
Don’t forget we still may very well sign Dez Bryant.
Now we can sit here and debate whether signing Dez is or isn’t a good move until rapture, but I don’t think the point can be made that Coleman is better than Dez. Even a declining Dez.
2020 7th round pick.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
@shooter Louis isn’t really separating himself. He’s on IR for the year. Honestly I think that’s the only way he stays on this roster because I don’t know that he’d beat out anyone else.
Coleman apparently had a work ethic issue. Maybe he would have been decent if we had a guy like Landry on the team when he was drafted, but instead Coleman learned to be a waste of oxygen from Kenny Britt.
2020 7th round pick, OMG.
Louis isn’t really separating himself. He’s on IR for the year.
Hahaha I’m an idiot.
2020 7th round pick.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
And that about sums it all up.
I agree with MDP, I can’t see us getting more than a late round pick for him.
The good news: this is a sign that not only do the Browns expect Gordon back soon, but it’s also a sign that they’re happy with many of the new additions to the WR room. Calloway (4th round pick) was probably going to take Coleman’s spot anyway. Higgins has actually been lighting it up and showing a lot of improvement. CJ Board has been making an amazing play every day and reportedly the coaches really like him. Janus has been injured but should make the team based on being a special teams phenom. Ratley was picked by this regime and he’s been having a good camp too.I haven’t been to training camp, so I can’t say how Coleman has been doing, but I do know that if you’re going to force a guy out to make room for your guy, talking all of his competition up is the first step.
Just a random thought… What if he was the problem with Gordon? Just saying similar backgrounds.
Dorsey literally got no value out of this. May as well cut him. You can argue up and down how good or bad he was, but he literally received no value.
I don’t like him anyways, but it should be recognized that this was pretty much either a pay roll dump or a real poor trade.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
You can’t say we got no value out of him. The round the last idiots picked him in is irrelevant. He couldn’t catch or run routes. Clearly Haley didn’t like him. Look at Pitt WR. Haley knows what he likes there and has a successful track record at it.
It just came out: a 2020 7th round pick. That is NO VALUE. That’s a player that will be thanking god if he makes the practice squad for 2 years.
I get that he was down in the pecking order, but if something happens to Landry or Gordon, I’d rather have Coleman than Ratley, who will be taking his place.
I’ve liked a lot of Dorsey’s moves, but when GMs get rid of the previous regimes players just to bulldoze a path for their own guys, that’s not smart.As evidenced by the pick of Ward, Dorsey defers to his coaches. Haley has had succes with Brown (6th round), Eli Rogers, JJ Schuster – clearly he didn’t like Coleman and why would he? He can’t catch, run routes or stay healthy. It’s not about dumping previous regime guys. It’s about dumping trash players for real football players which is what he’s been doing
Freedom!!!
Here’s also a fun fact: All 9 Cleveland Browns 1st round draft picks from 2011-2016 are gone.
Let’s let that sink in when we question why we suck, or place blame for that suck on coaches.Bigger sign is 3 aren’t in the NFL and none are good
Danny Shelton is good, but was out of place because we constantly shift back and forth between a 3-4 and a 4-3.
Correct on Shelton, my bad
Freedom!!!
ears.
As evidenced by the pick of Ward, Dorsey defers to his coaches. Haley has had succes with Brown (6th round), Eli Rogers, JJ Schuster – clearly he didn’t like Coleman and why would he? He can’t catch, run routes or stay healthy. It’s not about dumping previous regime guys. It’s about dumping trash players for real football players which is what he’s been doingIf he’s that down on Coleman, that’s fine. The prudent move though, is to get him some playing time against 2nd strikers on Thursday and put up some fluff numbers (which he can do, we know he’s not THAT bad), and pump up his value to get at least a 4th/5th out of him. Instead they sold LOW LOW LOW.
As for Ward, don’t get me started on how they’ve handled him. His been anointed to starter just from minicamps. Week 1 he’s going to go out and get slaughtered by Antonio Brown, as any rookie would. They’ve been preaching patience with Baker, while throwing Ward to the wolves.
ears.
As evidenced by the pick of Ward, Dorsey defers to his coaches. Haley has had succes with Brown (6th round), Eli Rogers, JJ Schuster – clearly he didn’t like Coleman and why would he? He can’t catch, run routes or stay healthy. It’s not about dumping previous regime guys. It’s about dumping trash players for real football players which is what he’s been doingIf he’s that down on Coleman, that’s fine. The prudent move though, is to get him some playing time against 2nd strikers on Thursday and put up some fluff numbers (which he can do, we know he’s not THAT bad), and pump up his value to get at least a 4th/5th out of him. Instead they sold LOW LOW LOW.
They got his value out of him. Call it low but why waste playbook and time on a guy you’ll be cutting anyway? If the trade even goes through due to his hamstrings
Freedom!!!
Unless he was really being a huge problem in the locker room, I don’t see why this was optimal over letting him catch some passes from decent QBs for once (I recall him looking good with McCown his first year before his injury). A couple preseason games of that and the first team to have a WR injury would probably be interested in kicking the tires.
The guy has NFL talent…but the he is a bum. And thats why the compensation recieved was a 7th. Because the guys a bum.
That said I like the out side recivers being Gordon Callaway and Janis and the slot guys being Landry Duke and Higgons.
I am not sure who the 6th guy will be as that roster battle is underway right now. But I am confident sans an injury that everyone I listed will make the team.
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The guy has NFL talent…but the he is a bum. And thats why the compensation recieved was a 7th. Because the guys a bum.
That said I like the out side recivers being Gordon Callaway and Janis and the slot guys being Landry Duke and Higgons.
I am not sure who the 6th guy will be as that roster battle is underway right now. But I am confident sans an injury that everyone I listed will make the team.It will be Ratley, if for no other reason than because Dorsey picked him.
Again Dawg W Dawg, Dorsey has given sufficient evidence he consults his coaching staff. He flat out had Gregg Williams called during an interview about why Ward was chosen over Chubb. Dorsey has them rated the same and let Williams choose. You can’t possibly thing he went to his new OC and took away a WR without consulting him first
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Dawg E. I’m surprised you’re so upset about this. I kinda don’t get it. You’d have us all believe this was an all-out power move orchestrated by a total egomaniac. That’s just clearly not the case. Why the ax to grind? Dorsey’s moves have been near flawless and have this team looking like an actual football team is supposed to. I’ll trust his judgement.
Dawg E. I’m surprised you’re so upset about this. I kinda don’t get it. You’d have us all believe this was an all-out power move orchestrated by a total egomaniac. That’s just clearly not the case. Why the ax to grind? Dorsey’s moves have been near flawless and have this team looking like an actual football team is supposed to. I’ll trust his judgement.
It’s not that I think Coleman is great or anything. But it’s like this: he was our #1 or #2 for much of the last 2 seasons, so we know that’s where our head coach thought he was compared to the other guys on the team. With a healthy Gordon and Landry, that knocks him down to 3. The only guys that would logically knock him down further are those brought in this season, i.e. Calloway, Ratley, and Janis. Janis is a castoff, so I disregard him. I can accept Ratley or Calloway being better than Coleman, but not both. So, at worst he’s our 4th WR. So, but basically cutting him, we lose our fourth best receiver and we get worse, for no reason. Don’t bring up Higgins, because they were in the same draft class, and Higgins has NEVER been above Coleman on a depth chart made by our HC.
So, once you accept that we’re getting rid of our, at WORST, No. 4 WR, ask yourself: why? The only justifications I can think of are:
1.) Money: Coleman’s not very expensive, we only save 1-2 mil a year getting rid of him, and we still lead the league in cap room.
2.) off the field stuff: we can speculate, but I can’t recall ever hearing about off the field/work ethic issues before the trade.
3.) he’s not going to make the team. And this is the only one that makes sense, and the only people who you can argue could make the team over Coleman are Ratley, Calloway, and Janis.
Unless there’s off the field stuff that hasn’t come out, I see this black and white as Dorsey wanting his guy over a guy he didn’t pick.
Agree at Dawgedawg. I have never liked the pick and was never impressed by him. But sure am sick of the clowns drafting dudes and 2 years later trading them or they are out of football. The organization is a mess.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Dawg:
Not sure why you keep ignoring Haley’s input being a factor. Dorsey consults his staff. That’s proven. Here’s an article from June showing doubts about Coleman’s work ethic and football IQ.
Freedom!!!
Dawg:
Not sure why you keep ignoring Haley’s input being a factor. Dorsey consults his staff. That’s proven. Here’s an article from June showing doubts about Coleman’s work ethic and football IQ.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2781449-browns-rumors-doubts-remain-about-corey-colemans-work-ethic-football-iq.amp.htmlBecause I’ve been hearing this stuff about every regime for the past 20 years. Every time: “this guy, he KNOWS what he’s doing. He can actually evaluate nfl talent, unlike his piece of shit predecessor.” Rinse and repeat.
Haley? How do you know Haley is the one that said to draft all of the Steelers WRs? He can be wrong as easily as anybody else.
If we’re being honest, I’m also still pissed that we passed on Michael Thomas for fucking Coleman. And this means we will never get anything out of that POS.
Heres where I am ….and I say this very rarely Soup’s right in this whole thread.
COleman has a reputation as a layabout and being made of glass. And liking the party life way to much rather than working on his craft.
This is why the pick was so low in compensation. The Browns just wanted someone else to pick up his gurenteed contract and had one taker out of 31 teams. The other 30 teams said naw were good. If that doesn’t tell all ya need to know right there I don’t know what does.
I mean and Callaway has been the better reciver by miles in camp. ANd the guy played in college 2 years ago.
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Dawg:
Not sure why you keep ignoring Haley’s input being a factor. Dorsey consults his staff. That’s proven. Here’s an article from June showing doubts about Coleman’s work ethic and football IQ.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2781449-browns-rumors-doubts-remain-about-corey-colemans-work-ethic-football-iq.amp.htmlBecause I’ve been hearing this stuff about every regime for the past 20 years. Every time: “this guy, he KNOWS what he’s doing. He can actually evaluate nfl talent, unlike his piece of shit predecessor.” Rinse and repeat.
Haley? How do you know Haley is the one that said to draft all of the Steelers WRs? He can be wrong as easily as anybody else.I didn’t say Haley picked the Steelers WR. I stated he clearly knows what it takes. What you keep overlooking repeatedly is that it’s a fact that Dorsey consults with his coaches. He flat out proves it in an interview about Ward.
That means Dorsey didn’t just trade Coleman and say “I’m doing it because I’m boss.” You know damn well he spoke with Haley about it. With Haley’s flat out rep as a complete asshole that will wear on the players within 5 years – Haley himself may have told Dorsey to dump Coleman
Freedom!!!
I’m not overlooking Haley at all. He’s new along with Dorsey, so Calloway and Ratley can be considered Haley picks as much as Dorsey picks.
I can’t find any questions about Coleman’s attitude and work ethic outside of a blurb from beat writer Scott Petra a few weeks ago. I did however, find where Hie said Coleman would start if Gordon isn’t available.
If you ignore the position he was drafted in, he was the WR with the biggest target on his back. He’s the 2nd highest paid WR on the team and his production has not been good. He was losing his role to a 4th round rookie. $3.5 mil guaranteed.
Allegedly he missed WAY too many practices with ‘cramps’, a trick me might have learned from Britt.
@dawgedawg I am glad someone else is sick of hearing “he is a football guy” or “finally a guy who can draft” or “this guy Knows football”. Just listen to shooter talk about 1-31 loser Hue.
If they said “this guy knows Cleveland tradition” then at least they would leave me on edge.
And Haley, stealers fans hated his play calling and apparntly him and the rapist never got along. Shouldn’t surprise anyone soups man love for this guy
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Put it this way too, if we were in the bills position, and traded a 2020 7th for, like, a Laquan Treadwell, say, you’d be ecstatic and you know it.
In his career he has 21 catches for 215 yards. No, I wouldn’t be.
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If you ignore the position he was drafted in, he was the WR with the biggest target on his back. He’s the 2nd highest paid WR on the team and his production has not been good. He was losing his role to a 4th round rookie. $3.5 mil guaranteed.
Allegedly he missed WAY too many practices with ‘cramps’, a trick me might have learned from Britt.$3.5 mil over 2 years is not much, especially for a team with the most cap space in the league. I’ll agree his production hasn’t been good, but neither have his qbs. He hasn’t played with a real nfl qb yet.
There’s one thing you just can’t ignore: Hue had him slated to start with Gordon’s absence. So the coach sees him as the 3rd best WR on the team. The head coach.
If anybody can explain how giving up the 3rd best WR on the team for a worthless pick and cap space we don’t need makes us better, I’m all ears. But it doesn’t make us better.
But, Hue said Coleman was gonna start, and Dorsey called Hue into his office, whipped it out, and pulled a Billy Beane “you can’t start Pena” move on him.
$3.5 mil over 2 years is not much, especially for a team with the most cap space in the league. I’ll agree his production hasn’t been good, but neither have his qbs. He hasn’t played with a real nfl qb yet.
Here we agree. If there wasn’t a ‘better’ reason than just cap space then the move is very questionable. I think there was a ‘better’ reason. I think the guy on the WR roster bubble, Ratliff, has played better (and practiced more often) than Coleman. I think they believe Ratliff would get taken by another team if they tried to stash him on the practice squad. They see more promise in Ratliff than Coleman despite where both were drafted.
There’s one thing you just can’t ignore: Hue had him slated to start with Gordon’s absence. So the coach sees him as the 3rd best WR on the team. The head coach.
You can’t ignore that, but it’s not a fact. Nowhere did Hue ever say Gordon was slated to start or that he’s the 3rd best WR on the team. Browns fans have assumed that just because he was drafted in the 1st round but Hue has never said anything of the sort.
If anybody can explain how giving up the 3rd best WR on the team for a worthless pick and cap space we don’t need makes us better, I’m all ears. But it doesn’t make us better.
Again being the 3rd best WR on the team is YOUR opinion, not Hue’s.
But, Hue said Coleman was gonna start, and Dorsey called Hue into his office, whipped it out, and pulled a Billy Beane “you can’t start Pena” move on him.
When did Hue say Coleman was gonna start? And what was he gonna start, a preseason game? Who cares?
I am not using my opinion as a basis for Coleman being the 3rd WR. It’s where he was in minicamps (though Calloway was unable to practice in minicamps), and I read an article where a beat writer said specifically that Hue Jackson said Coleman would start in Gordon’s absence. I haven’t yet been able to validate that, but I’m not trying to pass my opinion off as fact.
As for Ratliff, I agree with what your saying, Dorsey sees more promise in Ratliff. But I’m saying he sees it that way because he is biased because Ratliff is his pick.
Somebody said Coleman’s been missing too much time due to cramps: he just practiced on Sunday even though he was supposed to have the day off to rest his hammys. Doesn’t sound like a guy that’s not practicing.
CBD backed up that Coleman was leaving the roster, no matter whether Gordon was coming back or not.
After watching Hard Knocks, it’s clear that Jarvis was pissed at Coleman for not practicing. More than pissed. “That shit’s contagious.”
CBD backed up that Coleman was leaving the roster, no matter whether Gordon was coming back or not.
After watching Hard Knocks, it’s clear that Jarvis was pissed at Coleman for not practicing. More than pissed. “That shit’s contagious.”I watched. He called out all the receivers, but none by name. Coleman was probably a part of it, don’t know for sure.
As for Coleman leaving the roster, 1.) that’s exactly what I would say if I got screwed on a deal and gave a guy up for nothing. “Well, I was getting rid of him, so actually I did really well just to get something.”
2.) I’ve never argued that Coleman wasn’t going to be cut. Because that keeps a spot for Ratley.
Look, I hope I’m dead wrong on this and Coleman lays an egg and out WRs tear it up. But right now, we’re in he market to add a WR right after we gave one away,and it just doesn’t make sense.
The thing that the browns consistently mess up on is patience. If you’re going to build through the draft, you need to be patient and let your young players develop. But we don’t do that, we rotate GMs who hen roatate players and we send high picks packing 2 years after we pick them. That’s not how you build a team.
Ian Rapoport claims that the Browns were going to cut him, and were pleasantly surprised someone offered a draft pick. That takes us off the hook for the guarantees. You saw Haley light into Coleman for dropping a big play pass (again right through his hands) because of lack of effort.
Read this article.
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/08/todd_haley_yelling_at_corey_co.html#incart_river_index
Sounds like Kenny Britt 2.0This bears bringing up again in light of the Hard Knocks 2. No effort given even when he was on the field. Gets vastly outplayed by a 4th round rookie. Gets demoted to 2nd team, marches into the HC’s office like some entitled brat cursing about it and asks to be traded.
But show us more of your shoe collection Coleman.
Just another in a long line of 1st round busts.
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