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If he doesn’t relinquish play calling duties he better get fired. Asinine to be HC and call plays. We play shitty Gregg Williams next week. This should be an easy win which scares me because the Titans suck and we got destroyed.
I hate he’s calling the plays. Stupid. Idiotic. Moronic. If he does it next week fire him
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I do agree that I’d prefer he not call plays. That should be reserved for experienced coaches on established teams.
I also don’t want to make that drastic of a change after one game.
There’s a learning curve for everyone involved. I’m not ready to blame the playcalling on this one, the execution was absolute garbage. I’m sure there are some play calls he’d like to have back, but with the skill players we have ANY playcall should work. I’d like to see more devotion to the run game.
I didnt really see anything wrong with play calling. We had an enormous amount of penalties…
Refs were terrible. Browns played sloppy. Titans still suck.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Screw learning curves. Be a head coach. 18 penalties. Focus on being a head coach. It’s nonsense for him to call plays. We swung and missed big time on head coach. We are back to a 4 win team
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Have I ever mentioned how much I hate the Air Raid offence? Just saying.
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If he calls plays again Monday we will actually lose to the horrific Jets and the worst DC in the NFL in Gregg Williams (lost by allowing 14 4th Q points. His MO with a lead)
From Pd: On if he felt the Browns abandoned the run game too early in his play calling against the Titans:
“I do not, no. In the fourth quarter, it was a 22-13 game with a chance to get close. I do not.”
He’s unfit to be coach. Hopefully a good one is available after the season
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Outside the very first series nothing went right for this team. Nothing. No one performed at the level they should have.
I want to see how they respond this Monday.
Outside the very first series nothing went right for this team. Nothing. No one performed at the level they should have.
I want to see how they respond this Monday.Same statements for 20 years. Unprepared team = unfit to coach. Enough wasting time. We lose Monday he needs fired and replaced
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Fire him. He refuses to run. He’s an idiot. 1.5 games 23 penalties. Cut bait now and salvage the year
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The Browns IMO miss Orson Charles and Darren Fells in the run game badly.
The Browns don’t have an H back or a blocking TE.
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How do I say “you’re fucking retarded” in a language that’s as offensive as I want it to be, but that you can understand?
How do I say “you’re fucking retarded” in a language that’s as offensive as I want it to be, but that you can understand?
Two minutes left with a 20 point lead. Why in the hell is your franchise QB throwing the ball and taking hits?
His aversion to the run is awful. He completely changed the offense to deep drops rather than the quick hits like last year that were a huge success. We only scored 23 playing the worst DC I’m the NFL and a team on their 3rd QB that couldn’t move the ball.
Next week we’ll be lucky to score at all
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Obviously, your calling everything doom and gloom to prepare for your insufferable “I told you so rant” after the rams game this week. But seriously, take a Xanax.
Up by 20, and they have a 3rd string QB in and can’t move the ball? Run any god damn play you want to work on against an NFL defense. Literally, anything in the playbook that you want to try out.
Am I happy with 23? No, we didn’t play nearly as well as we could have. But it’s not Kitchens fault. It’s on Baker sailing throws and missing open receivers. But I’m confident he’ll work his way out of it and have better days ahead.
Firing Kitchens now would not be “salvaging the year,” it’d be throwing in the towel. It’s asinine to even entertain the thought until 2021.
Again, only one play call last night they made that I was like wtf. But that happens. He is calling an excellent game. Players need to execute. Not every play is going to be perfect – key is to keep the rhythm alive.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
IN GENERAL I’d like to see more effort to push the run game. Chubb needs at least 20 attempts per game.
Obviously, your calling everything doom and gloom to prepare for your insufferable “I told you so rant” after the rams game this week. But seriously, take a Xanax.
Up by 20, and they have a 3rd string QB in and can’t move the ball? Run any god damn play you want to work on against an NFL defense. Literally, anything in the playbook that you want to try out.
Am I happy with 23? No, we didn’t play nearly as well as we could have. But it’s not Kitchens fault. It’s on Baker sailing throws and missing open receivers. But I’m confident he’ll work his way out of it and have better days ahead.
Firing Kitchens now would not be “salvaging the year,” it’d be throwing in the towel. It’s asinine to even entertain the thought until 2021.The way I read this is we didn’t play as good as you expected the first 2 weeks. Why is that okay?
2 week total: 27 penalties for approximately 270 yards.
20 point lead, 3rd and 8 with 2 minutes to go up by 20 and he’s throwing the ball putting the QB in danger and stopping the clock.
His situational play calling is trash
The fact that he’s calling plays as a HC (you all know my feeling on that) is idiotic.
If you don’t have concerns after these two weeks then you aren’t paying attention
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The way I read this is we didn’t play as good as you expected the first 2 weeks. Why is that okay?
2 week total: 27 penalties for approximately 270 yards.
20 point lead, 3rd and 8 with 2 minutes to go up by 20 and he’s throwing the ball putting the QB in danger and stopping the clock.
His situational play calling is trash
The fact that he’s calling plays as a HC (you all know my feeling on that) is idiotic.
If you don’t have concerns after these two weeks then you aren’t paying attentionWhy is it OK that the didn’t meet my expectations? Because he’s a HC with now 2 games under his belt. Bound to be a learning curve. Because it’s September. Because, as noted by others, the issues seem to be more execution issues than schematic issues. Because we have a very small sample size to work with.
I’ve already addressed throwing the ball late in that game. It’s a rare opportunity to work on things in game. They just need to sit down and say “ok, we can’t take that hit. Throw it away, intentionally ground, whatever. Just don’t take that hit.”
I have concerns for sure, but on the whole my concerns are not about the HC as much as it is about the players.
IN GENERAL I’d like to see more effort to push the run game. Chubb needs at least 20 attempts per game.
I don’t disagree. Last night though we basically only had 1 rb. Also William’s defense was all over chubb. I think this will evolve with time.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
A rare opportunity to work on things? Um, that’s what practice is for. You run the ball and then punt. It’s football 101. I loved Freddie last year. I had really high hopes. I’m tired of the “new coach bumps” excuse. 27 penalties is inexcusable. The sloppiness from the changes to the offense is inexcusable. Him calling plays is inexcusable.
There’s zero excuse for not being 2-0 right now. Unless some switch flips we will start the year 1-5 (4 2-0 teams coming up) and it’s going to be really ugly
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See, the problem is you’re reacting like we ARE 1-5. We’re not. I don’t disagree that if we don’t improve, we will be 1-5. Hell, we’ll be 1-6, because we actually have 5 2-0 teams coming up.
But we’re not there, so I’m not going to base my judgments off that.
27 penalties: agreed inexcusable. But it’s not a long term statistic. We had 9 this week, half as many as the first game. And 2 of those were intentional delay of game penalties. 4 were on Myles Garrett. He’s got to get Garrett under control.
Again, if we average 13-14 penalties over 8, 9, 10 games, AT THAT POINT I’ll be upset with Kitchens.
After 2 games? It’s an anomaly.
Didn’t challenge the PI to keep it 2nd and 9 and instead goes for it with a draw on 4rh and 9. FIRE HIM NOW!!!!
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Far and away the worst coach we e had. Hopefully Dorsey gets it right if he’s still employed after this season (4-12)
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1 st and goal at the 5 with 3 time outs and no chubb that’s a crime, chbb was by far the best option on 1st and second downs period.
Far and away the worst coach we e had. Hopefully Dorsey gets it right if he’s still employed after this season (4-12)
Far and away the worst take I’ve seen on this forum.
1 st and goal at the 5 with 3 time outs and no chubb that’s a crime, chbb was by far the best option on 1st and second downs period.
Correct
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Far and away the worst coach we e had. Hopefully Dorsey gets it right if he’s still employed after this season (4-12)
Far and away the worst take I’ve seen on this forum.
Back up your statement.
1. We have the most talented team we’ve ever had.
2. We lead the league in penalties and had 8 more yesterday
3. We average 16.3 PPG with a “head coach” that calls the plays — with the most talented offense we’ve ever had.
4. Situational playcalling is abysmal.Explain your defense of Kitchens and why you think he’s an excellent head coach.
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Never said he’s an excellent head coach. Don’t put words in my mouth.
The worst head coach we’ve ever had? We had Romeo Crennel, Pat Shurmer, and Mike Pettine. All worse HCs than Kitchens. Freddie would have to lose the next 29 games to match Hue Jackson’s record over his first seasons. It is almost STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for Freddie to be the worst HC we’ve ever had.
And I don’t even need to mention Chris Palmer to make my argument.
Soup is the worst poster this forum or any forum has ever seen.
Can someone quote me so the moron sees this – ravens ran the ball 32 times yesterday and lost. Weird, your solution. Didnt work with a far better run team and all around better team.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Never said he’s an excellent head coach. Don’t put words in my mouth.
The worst head coach we’ve ever had? We had Romeo Crennel, Pat Shurmer, and Mike Pettine. All worse HCs than Kitchens. Freddie would have to lose the next 29 games to match Hue Jackson’s record over his first seasons. It is almost STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for Freddie to be the worst HC we’ve ever had.
And I don’t even need to mention Chris Palmer to make my argument.Chris Palmer was a fine coach. He had one of the least talented squads. Got fired and was going to take Tomlinson. Instead Butch Davis pocked Warren because he thought LT would fail.
You haven’t made a cogent argument for keeping Kitchens. I’m game for what he’s shown you as head coach that’s positive.
My prediction: around week 12 Wilkes will be named interim head coach
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You haven’t made a cogent argument for keeping Kitchens. I’m game for what he’s shown you as head coach that’s positive.
My prediction: around week 12 Wilkes will be named interim head coachYou haven’t made an argument backing up your statement that he’s “far and away the worst coach we’ve ever had.” Because you can’t. Because he’s not.
The argument for keeping Kitchens?
1.) it’s 3 games. R-E-L-A-X. You don’t even consider getting rid of a coach after 3 games. Or 8 games. Or 12 games. Bare minimum you give them a full season. Reasonably, a coach should get 2-3 seasons unless they are completely abysmal.
2.) he’s brought in strong coordinators. That’s a great sign that he’s not intimidate by them.
3.) he just took a team that went to the SB last year down to the wire.
4.) his aggressiveness is something we’ve been missing. I hated the 4th and 9 draw, but I liked the overall aggressiveness.
1. It’s 3 games of trash on offense and penalty after penalty
2. Wilkes was a great hire. If Monken didn’t intimidate him then Monken would be calling plays
3. We lost. That metric of “but they went to the Super Bowl last year” is the Browns loser mentality we’ve had since 1999
4. Aggressive stupidity considering he could’ve challenged the PI, won and kept it 2nd down.
The coordinator is the only decent debate in there.
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Freddie probably would take the blame, but not challenging the PI has to be on the replay guy. They have a guy looking that over, telling them to challenge or not. He has to tell Freddie to challenge that, no idea why they didn’t.
I still haven’t seen an argument as to why Freddie is worse than 3-35-1.
Freddie probably would take the blame, but not challenging the PI has to be on the replay guy. They have a guy looking that over, telling them to challenge or not. He has to tell Freddie to challenge that, no idea why they didn’t.
I still haven’t seen an argument as to why Freddie is worse than 3-35-1.Ask shooter….he will tell you why Loser Hue is the greatest coach this organization ever had.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Freddie probably would take the blame, but not challenging the PI has to be on the replay guy. They have a guy looking that over, telling them to challenge or not. He has to tell Freddie to challenge that, no idea why they didn’t.
I still haven’t seen an argument as to why Freddie is worse than 3-35-1.1. Leads league in penalties
2. Calls his own plays
3. Changed offense away from what worked last year
4. Averaging 16.3 PPG
5. Worse situational playcalling than Carthon
6. 4th and 9 draw (2007 was the last time that was successful for any NFL team on 4th and 9+)
7. 4 plays from the 5, all spread offense 0 rush attempts with all 3 time outs remaining.
8. Blown out by Tennessee (a terrible, horrible team)
9. Only win came due to having to face a 3rd string QB
10. This past week 6, yes 6, of the penalties were on offense and pre snap at home. Unacceptable
11. Zero discipline
12. Insists on calling his own plays and still hasn’t relinquished that duty (again, 16.3 PPG)
13. 1-2 is well on the way to 3-35-1
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There are currently 8 first year HCs. Of them Matt Lefluer is 3-0 with one the best QBs of all time. Bruce Arians has 1 win, in his second stint as a head coach (third if you count his time as interim HC). Freddie has 1 win.
The other 5 are a combined 0-14-1.
It. Takes. Time.
There are currently 8 first year HCs. Of them Matt Lefluer is 3-0 with one the best QBs of all time. Bruce Arians has 1 win, in his second stint as a head coach (third if you count his time as interim HC). Freddie has 1 win.
The other 5 are a combined 0-14-1.
It. Takes. Time.Freddie was in house and rather than building off last years playbook he’s making it too new. Freddie has the upper hand in this scenario. I’m tired of hearing how it takes time. We’ve heard that for 20 years.
How many of those teams lead the league in penalties?
Enough time has passed. The season is this weekend. Lose to Baltimore and it’s over
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Bill Belichick started his NE coaching career 0-4. Which became 2-8. Which became 5-11 overall.
Buh buh buh, Freddie’s in his second year…
Belichick started his second year in NE going 1-2. Which then became 1-3.
At that point, you would’ve fired him 19 times, before he ever had a chance to finish that second season 11-5 enroute to an eventual super bowl win.
Bill Belichick started his NE coaching career 0-4. Which became 2-8. Which became 5-11 overall.
Buh buh buh, Freddie’s in his second year…
Belichick started his second year in NE going 1-2. Which then became 1-3.
At that point, you would’ve fired him 19 times, before he ever had a chance to finish that second season 11-5 enroute to an eventual super bowl win.You’re saying I want Freddie fired due to being 1-2.
No. Due to all the other issues I mentioned which created that 1-2 record.
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Not piling on, but I just read this today and found it interesting.
The Cleveland Browns Made History — By Bungling A Fourth-And-9 Play
There are currently 8 first year HCs. Of them Matt Lefluer is 3-0 with one the best QBs of all time. Bruce Arians has 1 win, in his second stint as a head coach (third if you count his time as interim HC). Freddie has 1 win.
The other 5 are a combined 0-14-1.
It. Takes. Time.Wanted to update this/:
Matt Lefluer: 3-1
Freddie: 2-2
Bruce Arians: 2-2Other 5 new HCs: 0-18-1
Weird how I don’t hear anybody hating on the Freddie hire this week. Real head scratcher.
It’s fun watching you lose your shit unnecessarily.
I’m not sure anyone has ever been more wrong than you have in the history of the internet. Even your fucking name is wrong, that should a capital S. Good God.
Kitchens has made some adjustments and that means a lot. Game to game adjustments and even in game adjustments. Time will tell because I think the Rats are way over rated but they are on the right track.
Useless piece of dog shit. 3rd and 3 and empty backfield after 4 successful runs? Dumbass shit for brains completely unprepared
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Useless piece of dog shit. 3rd and 3 and empty backfield after 4 successful runs? Dumbass shit for brains completely unprepared
Whatever hole you crawled into after last weeks win, that’s where you should be now. Freddie’s offense is moving the ball, play calls are moving the ball. Player execution is the biggest issues. Please watch the game before you comment.
It’s 28-3. Unfortunately I am watching, but not for much longer. We have the worst coach in the NFL. Completely unprepared and no discipline and a coach obsessed with passing
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BTW saying his offense is moving the ball is the funniest shot I’ve read in a long time. Through 3 Q they had 168 yards of offense
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BTW saying his offense is moving the ball is the funniest shot I’ve read in a long time. Through 3 Q they had 168 yards of offense
They were moving the ball when I said it, then didn’t do shit in Q3.
Have up in Q3 by not going for it on 4th, then put your #1 WR in danger on a meaningless punt return down 25 with 7 minutes left. The fact this useless pile of shot is still calling plays is disgusting. He wants to be an OC, Fire his ass and let him be an OC somewhere else
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He’s fucking useless. His hate of running the football is disgusting and shows he has zero football acumen. He’s so dumb and useless. His obsession with throwing the ball is why we suck
It’s halftime. 9 handoffs to 25 passes. Those 9 handoffs went for 79 yards and a TD. But hey – lets pass instead!!!!!
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He’s fucking useless. His hate of running the football is disgusting and shows he has zero football acumen. He’s so dumb and useless. His obsession with throwing the ball is why we suck
It’s halftime. 9 handoffs to 25 passes. Those 9 handoffs went for 79 yards and a TD. But hey – lets pass instead!!!!!Where did they other 13 points we had at halftime come from, you dolt?
What the hell do you expect Freddie to do? Man, those passes Freddie deflected to defenders, that really hurt us. And when Freddie fumbled today? Killer. That bull shit blocking flag Freddie three on Jarvis was just complete ineptitude. And don’t even get me started on Freddie’s wide open dropped passes.
Another year filled with excuses to justify complete failure. On the opening KR we were guilty of a massive blindside block to spring Hilliard and it wasn’t called.
Enough is enough. The guy literally took away a Chubb walk in TD to challenge a TD which resulted in a turnover on downs. He continually throws the ball in the red zone for no reason (fade to Beckham on 3rd down should’ve had him fired on the spot). He’s a massive failure and needs fired. Talent out the ass, coaching akin to grade school
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So you say I’m making excuses, then you make excuses for why you think he sucks. That’s rich.
But thanks for pointing out that i forgot to complain about Freddie’s poor fortune telling capabilities when throwing that challenge flag. If he can’t see the future any better than that, it’s really going to hold this team back.
Not sure what you are talking about. Red zone he was refusing to run – then called the same run twice in a row (after stopping the first successful one on a dumb challenge 20 minutes too late).
He’s an idiot. We are 2-4 solely because 1 team we played was on their 3rd string QB.
When your RB has 9 carries and 79 yards and your QB has 25 passes at the half, you should’nt be calling plays in the NFL.
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Stating the number of runs and passes means nothing. It provides nothing. I can get that from the box score. You don’t know what swapping out runs for passes (which is techno bowl, 4 plays to choose from logic) would have done.
And to since you want to boil this down and oversimplify the game to runs and passes here you go:
They RAN MORE AND PASSED LESS IN THE 2ND HALF, and SCORED FEWER POINTS.
Seriously, you’re bitching about the run/pass ratio in the half THEY WON, while ignoring they had more runs and fewer passes in the half THEY LOST. Just stop.
Also, Seattle has a TOP 5 rush defense and a BOTTOM 5 pass defense. Get a clue.
Chubb has 122 yards rushing. Look at the abysmal situational playcalling. Articles everywhere are talking about Kitchens head scratching calls. The fucking Steelers who are on their fucking 3rd string QB have t he same fucking record we do. Freddie Kitchens is a shit coach. It’s not debatable. Our record and his dumbass insistence of calling plays are evidence.
Throwing a fucking fade to Beckham on 3rd down on the goal line? Seriously?!?!??? Passing inside the 10 on 2nd down, for real?!?!?!? He’s pure shit and soon to be 2-5
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