Excel spreadsheet sheets got us Corey Coleman. He didn’t rank well when baseball guy hit “sort” so he’s gone

Demetrius Harris always seemed like a promising rookie, with good hands and range to make catches over and around defenders. Then I found out he was 28 and in his sixth season. No big loss.

TJ Carrie will be missed, but he was set to be way overpaid as a third corner. We’d better do some serious shopping for our secondary, however.

Dawg E. Dawg wrote:

soup wrote:

Excel spreadsheet sheets got us Corey Coleman. He didn’t rank well when baseball guy hit “sort” so he’s gone

Carrie is going to be 30 before the season, was set to make over 8 mil this year, and was being paid like the 25th-30th best corner in the league.
Please explain how the 4th best cornerback on our team is worth that.
Go ahead. I’ll wait.

For the last 5 years at least we’ve sucked with having $50 million on cap left. His $8 million in one year is money ball talking. These guys are so focused on big cap room that they ignore everything else. His $8 million is meaningless. Groom a new guy and let him go the following year. Massive cap room doesn’t = wins.

We have the cap room. We have 3 corners. You need 4. Why do you care what he’s currently paid? What impact does that have?

Moneyball is exactly what Depodesta is known for. Your point on his pay would be far more valid if we were topping the cap

soup wrote:

We have the cap room. We have 3 corners. You need 4. Why do you care what he’s currently paid? What impact does that have?
Moneyball is exactly what Depodesta is known for. Your point on his pay would be far more valid if we were topping the cap

That BS logic could be applied to justify paying any cornerback any amount of money.

We’re not talking about cutting a starter here. He’s 3rd or 4th best cb, depending how you feel about Mitchell. And Mitchell is 3 years younger.

If they cut starters for salary cap reasons I’ll be pissed, but we’re not gonna miss carrie at all.

Sweet God I feel so disgusting agreeing with Soup.

But I do. This is simply moneyball. And all that cap room means dick since A) we never use it, and B) no one wants to sign here anyway unless we grossly overpay them, which is exactly why THIS move was made so, ipso facto, we’re just gonna cut people and never sign new ones while leading the league in cap space and losses.

Like we do ever year.

I have to go take a shower now and get all the Soup off of me.

I don’t care about the salaries. Every player you mentioned could be resigned at their “value” and added to Carrie and it wouldn’t make a dent in the cap room.

If Joe Woods comes and says “Carrie is a skilled DB, but his skill set is different than what will be utilized in my defense “ then I wouldn’t bat an eye at it. But this is straight up moneyball

And yet, you can’t make an argument that T.J. Carrie is worth 8 million this year.

Sure I can.

He’s a solid player and 8 million dollars isn’t that much money. Especially when we’re so far under the cap. He’s not a Pro-bowler, but he’s a productive contributor and a veteran presence that has value to a team horrendously thin in the secondary after Ward and Greedy and his salary has little impact to a team 50 million under the cap.

Case made.

TJ Carrie got burned more last year than when I was learning to cook steaks on the grill growing up.
He was overpaid and is aging. He had no place on this team.
Harris was okay as a rookie. He did have some key drops though.
Kush was a revolving door before he lost his starting spot.
Taylor was a special teams player and can be easily replaced.

Harris is the one that sorta shocked me.

Dawg E. Dawg wrote:

Shooter wrote:

Olivier Vernon is making $13m this year. He’s going to be resigned or released soon, no way we’re keeping him at that price.

Well I’m okay with the 3 sacks and 7 tackles he made last year no longer being a part of our team.

How does everyone of your arguments about Carrie not apply to Vernon? How are you ok with letting a pro bowl caliber starter let go for cap reasons, but your upset that a 3rd/4th CB Is let go for cap reasons? You said yourself you think the salary cap means dick.
Vernon is easily the 2nd best DE on the team. It’s not a debate. His presence actually makes a difference. He’s overpaid, but at least he’s still better than the other options. The hypocrisy is unreal.

+1 to this. Vernon has been hurt a bunch the last couple years, but that can happen. He’s good for 8 sacks when healthy, plays the run well, and keeps the blockers from loading up against Garrett. Overpaid? Sure. We’ll also overpay his replacement because nobody wants to play here, and we’ll also overpay his replacements backup because nobody want to play here. So there’s no reason not to keep him.

You guys realize Baker (if he becomes the franchise qb we think he can be) and Myles could eat up $50 million between the two of them. You get that, right?
That’s not hyperbole that’s not exaggeration. That’s the current state of the NFL.

Carrie’s 8 million cap figure is high.

According to Profootballfocus, QBs completed 46-of-62 passes to men covered by Carrie, a 116.2 passer rating.

He definitely wasn’t worth keeping at any price.

Shooter wrote:

Of course, but not this year. And not next year either. And not even the year after that. Myles still has 2 years left on his rookie deal and Baker has 3. (Someone correct me on that if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am).
It won’t be until 4 years from now that we have Baker and Myles BOTH signed to huge deals. So until then, I don’t really care.

Wanted to address this separately. You are technically incorrect, but you’re numbers reflect the reality of the situation.

Myles has ONE year remaining on his deal, while Baker has TWO years remaining. Though, since both are first round picks, both have fifth year team options on their contracts. Those wouldn’t be the bank breaking amounts they’ll likely both eventually get, but will still be big numbers, around $15 mil, I think. You’ll have to excuse Browns fans from not knowing the particulars on fifth year options, as the Browns have NEVER exercised the option on one of their picks. That’s how spectacularly awful we have been at drafting.

Anyway, my point is the fifth years carry decent cap numbers, and then you have to consider that it’s be pretty foolish to wait until they’ve played all 5 years and then sign them to a long term contract. So, assuming extensions get done prior to that, you’re looking at some money coming up for Myles NEXT year, and Baker the year after. And you’ve also got Denzel Ward in the same boat as Baker. And Chubb, being a 2nd round pick, doesn’t have a fifth year option so he’ll be forcing the Browns hand sooner than Baker and Ward.

I realize $50 mil is still a lot of money, but with that many contracts coming up, and a lot of holes still to fill in the line and at safety, there’s good reason not to throw money away because we have the money at the moment.

BrownsFan4Life wrote:

You are technically incorrect in saying the Browns have never exercised one of their own players fifth year option.
Phil Taylor’s fifth year option was actually exercised before the start of year 4 (May 2, 2014). He was cut Sep 1, 2015 before the start of the regular season.
Note:
They did pick up Randall’s fifth year option after trading for him but he wasn’t drafted by them.
Note 2:
Corey Coleman had his fifth year option picked up by the NY Football Giants.

Didn’t know we did that with Phil Taylor. That’s about the Brownsiest thing ever. I knew about Randall but didn’t count him since we didn’t draft him.

Corey Coleman, though, was traded to the Bills and then cut, so he couldn’t have had his fifth year option picked up as the giants signed him to a new contract that paid much less than his rookie deal.

Shooter, I just googled it and for top 10 picks, the fifth year option value is the transition tag value, which is the average of the top 10 players salaries at their respective positions. For QBS, it was 22 mil and DEs it was ~15 mil last year. Which is only going to go up. So, if you go those routes, that’s still 37 million your eating up with those 2.

Though, one thing I hadn’t considered last night is that they are high picks, so their cap numbers aren’t small right now. So, it’s not like we’re paying them 400K and going to 37 mil. The actual difference (meaning impact to the salary cap space) is much less, maybe $15 mil as a guess without looking it up.

Anywho i forgot where I was going with that, and that’s all I’ve got.

I blame Johnny. It’s way easier.

Shooter, I just googled it and for top 10 picks, the fifth year option value is the transition tag value, which is the average of the top 10 players salaries at their respective positions. For QBS, it was 22 mil and DEs it was ~15 mil last year. Which is only going to go up. So, if you go those routes, that’s still 37 million your eating up with those 2.

I love the fact that Ice begs pleads grovels and flat-out demands that anyone fact check him regularly because he’s lazy, and no one does. I ask……..and by magic…..facts appear.

See what happens Ice when you have a semi-regular internet show that garners tens and tens of viewers? Fucking respect bro.

I feel like Leo right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t understand why the Browns would let go of such an impact player on our all pro secondary that helped us win so many games last year.

This entire thread sums up Browns fans. Wanting to keep poor talent.