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https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/
YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER WORKOUT CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH
2021 Contract details by year 29 $14,500,000 – $1,000,000 $250,000 $15,750,000 $12,791,000
PRE-6/1 RELEASE
2021 Dead Cap: $12,791,000
2021 Cap Savings: $2,959,000
PRE-6/1 TRADE
2021 Dead Cap: $0
2021 Cap Savings: $15,750,000
POST-6/1 RELEASE
2021 Dead Cap: $12,791,000
2022 Dead Cap: $0
2021 Cap Savings: $2,959,000
POST-6/1 TRADE
2021 Dead Cap: $0
2022 Dead Cap: $0
2021 Cap Savings: $15,750,000Numbers for cutting and trading OBJ pre and post June 1st.
Question: Is OBJ a tradeable commodity? My answer: yes
Or more simply put: Can the Browns trade OBJ? Yes they can.Should they trade OBJ? I mean that 15.75 mill he is do sure would would look good on the defensive side of the ball. Just saying.
Do the Browns need a deep threat? Hell yes!
Do the Browns need a 15.75 deep threat who has yet to have significant production with the Browns and is coming off injury again. Not really as there are cheaper options in FA and the draft.http://cloudassetserver.com/STL/posts/185/sp_04_976x0.jpg
Has there`been any update on his recovery?
Not that I find googeling: OBJ injury update
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Once Baker finally learned this offense, about halfway through the season, he was deadly. Can you imagine just how deadly he would have been if instead of Hollywood Higgins defenses were trying to key on OBJ?!? At the VERY least he would make them pull a safety off the line of scrimmage and our ridiculous running game would become even more ridiculous.
Once Baker finally learned this offense, about halfway through the season, he was deadly. Can you imagine just how deadly he would have been if instead of Hollywood Higgins defenses were trying to key on OBJ?!? At the VERY least he would make them pull a safety off the line of scrimmage and our ridiculous running game would become even more ridiculous.
Do the Browns need a deep threat? HELL YES!
Do the Browns need a 15.75 mill per year deep threat? I am thinking no.
IE: https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/kenny-golladay/11851
There may be no better endorsement of a top receiver than the difference it makes to his quarterback when he is on the field. Matthew Stafford is a different player when Golladay is on the field, and the wideout clearly has confidence in his ability to go up and get the football in tough spots. He battled injuries this season, but Golladay’s 628 yards on deep (20-plus yard) passes ranked second in the league in 2019. Golladay has the size and athleticism required to be a big target on the outside, along with that contested-catch prowess, but he also possesses enough nuance in his route running to function well in any system. The NFC North has featured some great receivers in recent seasons, and Golladay is up there with the best of them.I’d guess he gets offered 10 mill a year tops on the market.
Simply trading OBJ for peanuts* and signing Golladay saves you 5.75 mill a year and you get bigger, younger and more productive at the WR1 position.
*for example purposes only.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926541-nfl-trade-ideas-to-create-elite-qb-wr-duos
Odell Beckham Jr. to the Detroit Lions
Trade rumors have circled Odell Beckham Jr. pretty much since he was first traded to the Cleveland Browns in March 2019. He has struggled to develop chemistry with quarterback Baker Mayfield, and while it’s unfair to say that Mayfield is better off without him, the Browns could still view him as expendable.
Beckham was lost for the season to a torn ACL after just seven games, and Cleveland still managed to win 11 games and advance to the divisional round of the playoffs. If the Browns could get some quality defensive talent for Beckham, a trade could make sense.
While Beckham hasn’t been a natural fit in head coach Kevin Stefanski’s offense, he could be a great fit for the Detroit Lions and cannon-armed quarterback Matthew Stafford. It’s unclear who will be coaching the Lions offense in 2021, but the personnel suggests that Detroit will be less run-heavy than the Browns.
Kenny Golladay and Marvin Jones Jr. will also be free agents, so a new No. 1 receiver could be at the top of the Lions’ wish list.
Beckham’s trade value has taken a hit over the last couple of years, and the ACL injury certainly isn’t going to help. However, Cleveland could ask for a Day 3 draft pick and a veteran defender in return. Cornerback Justin Coleman—who was in Vikings camp with Stefanski back in 2015—might be a prime target.+
Adam Thielen to the Cleveland Browns
The Vikings traded Stefon Diggs last offseason, so would they really consider dealing a standout receiver two years in a row? Perhaps. They are in a tough cap situation—they’re projected to be more than $17 million over the salary cap—and it’s becoming clear they’re not close to being a Super Bowl contender.
With rookie Justin Jefferson playing like a perennial All-Pro in 2020, Minnesota could view Adam Thielen as expendable. Moving him would also clear roughly $8 million in 2021 cap space.
The Browns, armed with more than $24 million in cap space, could afford to take on Theilen’s contract, though they likely wouldn’t be interested in doing so unless they traded Beckham.
In Cleveland, Thielen could reunite with Kevin Stefanski, who was Minnesota’s quarterbacks coach in 2017 and offensive coordinator in 2018. During those two seasons, he racked up 2,649 receiving yards.
Pairing Thielen with Jarvis Landry would give Mayfield a pair of savvy route-runners and reliable options perfectly suited for Stefanski’s play-action-based scheme. Mayfield took strides as a passer in 2020 and could potentially approach the ranks of the elite with Thielen on the roster.
Given the cap savings involved, Minnesota may consider a mid-round pick as fair compensation.Talk about things that make ya say HMMMMMMM
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What if you could pay opposing defenses to pull one of their safeties off the line and put them into deep coverage instead? It would allow our running game to be even more potent than it is already and make the defense much easier to read for Mayfield. Would you pay them $1mil a game just to force them to play a safety deep that they were going to stack at the line? I’d certainly have to heavily consider it, and that’s not even talking about OBJ making a catch.
Now imagine that along with them having to line that way you also upgrade your WR corps substantially. Does that make the $1m/game more palatable? Does it almost seem like a bargain?
What if you could pay opposing defenses to pull one of their safeties off the line and put them into deep coverage instead? It would allow our running game to be even more potent than it is already and make the defense much easier to read for Mayfield. Would you pay them $1mil a game just to force them to play a safety deep that they were going to stack at the line? I’d certainly have to heavily consider it, and that’s not even talking about OBJ making a catch.
Now imagine that along with them having to line that way you also upgrade your WR corps substantially. Does that make the $1m/game more palatable? Does it almost seem like a bargain?Some folks on other boards see me as QUOTE “OBJ hater”.
I don’t hate the dude. I just didn’t see the value in the trade made by Dosey.
His production vs paycheck is completely out of whack ratio wise IMO.
Bottom line you could theoretically get 2-4 defenders for trading OBJ. 1 for his pick compensation and the rest for the 15.75 mill in cap space.
In my mind the math just isn’t on his side.
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His value from what I’ve read is a 3rd day pick plus veteran defender. Not worth trading him.
Freedom!!!
Some folks on other boards see me as QUOTE “OBJ hater”.
YOU’RE CHEATING ON BFT?!? HOW COULD YOU!?!??!?
I haven’t seen you hating on him, you’re just making the case we’d be better off without him. Maybe on those ‘other boards’ you’ve been more hateful.
There’s almost no way OBJ gets traded. In a normal year, it would be possible. But in 2021, the cap will be abysmal due to the reduced revenue from covid keeping stadiums empty. Teams just won’t have $15 million laying around for a receiver coming off 2 down years and a torn ACL.
I am a big fan of Golladay, so if you can somehow swindle somebody into taking OBJ AND sign him, I say go for it. But, you’re entire list of teams willing the trade for OBJ:
The New York Jets
That’s it. They’ll have the cap space, they’re desperate for a receiver, and the NYC market saw OBJ at his height, so you could sell him to the fan base. Unless Berry can somehow pull off a miracle deal with the Jets, we’ll have OBJ next year. And I’m ok with that.
The Browns run the most Democratic offense since maybe the pre-Randy Moss Patriots. It’s awesome. Everyone touches the ball every game, it makes it tough for defenses to take any one player out of the game. It’s awesome. It also means that no player is likely to run up monster stats. Which doesn’t sit well with most any talented player. It’s going to be tough to keep top notch wide receivers on this team.
OBJ, despite the media saying otherwise, seems to genuinely like playing for the Browns. He gets to compete with his best friend in the league every play. Not only in terms of catches; he and Landry try to one-up each other in blocking, taking hits, hell even throwing the ball. It’s amazing.
If dude likes being here? I’m good with it. Maybe his salary is a bit high, but we can more than afford it. We need a deep threat. He can kneel down at the snap and tie his shoelaces and a safety will still be shadowing him over the top. It’s tough to find that.
There’s almost no way OBJ gets traded. In a normal year, it would be possible. But in 2021, the cap will be abysmal due to the reduced revenue from covid keeping stadiums empty. Teams just won’t have $15 million laying around for a receiver coming off 2 down years and a torn ACL.
I am a big fan of Golladay, so if you can somehow swindle somebody into taking OBJ AND sign him, I say go for it. But, you’re entire list of teams willing the trade for OBJ:
The New York Jets
That’s it. They’ll have the cap space, they’re desperate for a receiver, and the NYC market saw OBJ at his height, so you could sell him to the fan base. Unless Berry can somehow pull off a miracle deal with the Jets, we’ll have OBJ next year. And I’m ok with that.Look, do I want to take peanuts for OBJ. Hell no I’d love a 2 or a 3 for pick wise. But Just getting out from under that contract is a bonus in this offseason
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The Browns run the most Democratic offense since maybe the pre-Randy Moss Patriots. It’s awesome. Everyone touches the ball every game, it makes it tough for defenses to take any one player out of the game. It’s awesome. It also means that no player is likely to run up monster stats. Which doesn’t sit well with most any talented player. It’s going to be tough to keep top notch wide receivers on this team.
OBJ, despite the media saying otherwise, seems to genuinely like playing for the Browns. He gets to compete with his best friend in the league every play. Not only in terms of catches; he and Landry try to one-up each other in blocking, taking hits, hell even throwing the ball. It’s amazing.
If dude likes being here? I’m good with it. Maybe his salary is a bit high, but we can more than afford it. We need a deep threat. He can kneel down at the snap and tie his shoelaces and a safety will still be shadowing him over the top. It’s tough to find that.At his age amd with his injury history….will he actually be a deep threat when he comes back?
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OBJ when healthy is one of the best receivers in the game. Health has been an issue for sure but I wouldn’t trade him. If he had been playing in the KC game I am pretty sure we would have won it.
Baker has really learned the offense and went through his progressions pretty consistently from the midpoint of the season on. With OBJ on the field, the defense have to respect the deep threat and we really didn’t have that consistently.
If the Browns were right up against the cap then maybe trading him would be a good idea but they are no where near that cap and have no one to replace him.
I think the Jets or the Patriots are the likiest trading partners
Jets Cap Space: $65,532,774
Jets Picks:
Round 1 Pick 2
Round 1 Pick 23
Round 2 Pick 2
Round 3 Pick 2
Round 3 Pick 22
Round 4 Pick 2
Round 5 Pick 2
Round 5 Pick 10
Round 7 Pick 23vs
Patriots Cap Space: $58,667,937
Patriots Picks:
Round 1 Pick 15
Round 2 Pick 14
Round 3 Pick 32 (COMP)
Round 4 Pick 15
Round 4 Pick 34 (COMP)
Round 4 Pick 40 (COMP)
Round 5 Pick 14
Round 6 Pick 2
Round 6 Pick 11
Round 6 Pick 13
Round 7 Pick 15For those who think it is possible to trade OBJ, where do you think the line is at pick wise? AKA how low would you go?
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Count the #Raiders among the teams who will have interest in Odell Beckham Jr. if the #Browns indeed make him available. They'll be shopping for an upgrade at WR this offseason.
— Evan Massey (@massey_evan) January 31, 2021
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