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I would never trade wins for a draft pick. NEVER. That’s like trading your salary for lottery tickets. How many of those AMAZING top 5 QB’s have actually worked out in the past few years?
I disagree about Pettine being a good coach. He makes remedial mistakes and always attempts to outthink the opponent and overanalyze. I’ve said it before – it’s a simple game. It doesn’t need complicated
At the end of half 1 vs Baltimore he let time run down rather than utilizing his timeouts to get the ball back to score.
At the end of half 1 against Denver he did the same thing – rather than having the ball back with 55 seconds on the clock and 2 timeouts on our own 41 – we had 18 seconds with 3 timeouts. An extra 37 seconds could’ve resulted in a FG.
The stupidity to go for 2 at the end of the game is unforgivable. It’s a mistake that should’ve never been made in the first place.
As for Farmer – his talent has been awful. At the same time – is it all the talent or the coaching? With Manziel we all knew it was Haslam and it was a terrible – wasted reach of a 6th round pick. Throw that out.
Gilbert was basically a consensus “best corner in the draft.”
Erving was another consensus 1st round pick.My point with these 2 is – is it the talent or the inability of the coaching to get the most out of the talent?
I personally think both guys are worthless at this point. that said – it would be a huge mistake to fire either of them. The only way this team moves on is by riding out their contracts and just not renewing them – this let’s Haslam prove to real talent that he’s willing to see the plan through.
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“I would never trade wins for a draft pick. NEVER. That’s like trading your salary for lottery tickets. How many of those AMAZING top 5 QB’s have actually worked out in the past few years?”
You and I look at the situation differently here. If the goal is getting to the Superbowl (and it should be), and it becomes apparent that you will not make the playoffs, wins actually hurt your team. How many “moral victories” has this team won when the outcome had no bearing on the post season?
It is not the draft pick you are losing for, per se. You are losing to gain control of your own draft destiny. You’re ensuring you’ve done everything you can improve your roster for the next season and get the player you covet so that you don’t 1) miss out on him all together or 2) pay a sum like the Washington did if he doesn’t work out.
Case in point: We were in a position to deliberately lose in 2011 and draft Andrew Luck in 2012. Without looking it up, tell me who we won our 4 games against that year. How much value did those wins bringing to us in 2012 when we won 5 games? Do you think the fortunes of this team from 2012 to present would be the same if Andrew Luck was on this roster?
Now granted, having the pick and knowing what to do with it are two different things. While my faith in the current administration is waning, at some point we’re going to have to bite the bullet and try to go all in, lest we remain in the 4-6 win purgatory that has marked the Brown’s return. Not bad enough to get the best talent, not good enough to develop potential.
I disagree about Pettine being a good coach. He makes remedial mistakes and always attempts to outthink the opponent and overanalyze. I’ve said it before – it’s a simple game. It doesn’t need complicated
At the end of half 1 vs Baltimore he let time run down rather than utilizing his timeouts to get the ball back to score.
At the end of half 1 against Denver he did the same thing – rather than having the ball back with 55 seconds on the clock and 2 timeouts on our own 41 – we had 18 seconds with 3 timeouts. An extra 37 seconds could’ve resulted in a FG.
The stupidity to go for 2 at the end of the game is unforgivable. It’s a mistake that should’ve never been made in the first place.
As for Farmer – his talent has been awful. At the same time – is it all the talent or the coaching? With Manziel we all knew it was Haslam and it was a terrible – wasted reach of a 6th round pick. Throw that out.
Gilbert was basically a consensus “best corner in the draft.”
Erving was another consensus 1st round pick.My point with these 2 is – is it the talent or the inability of the coaching to get the most out of the talent?
I personally think both guys are worthless at this point. that said – it would be a huge mistake to fire either of them. The only way this team moves on is by riding out their contracts and just not renewing them – this let’s Haslam prove to real talent that he’s willing to see the plan through.
There are many aspects to coaching. What encourages me about Pettine is that he seems to be able to get the most out of his talent (which honestly is practically non-existent considering the best player on the team is suspended). Now, I will not disagree with you that Pettine is a poor game manager, but he is inexperienced and still learning, much the way a young QB does.
I would point to the changes in our defense this year over last if you question his coaching ability though. When Pettine was calling the plays on defense last year we were the 9th best scoring defense. Without him calling the defensive plays we rank 27th (with an improved roster).
Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying Pettine is a great coach. I’m not even saying he’s a good coach. I’m saying he’s not the worst coach I’ve ever seen, he’s certainly not the worst coach the Browns have had, and I have seen flashes of potential. While I understand your frustration (especially after Sunday’s loss to the Rams), I think you’re overreacting just a tad. With the exception of the Rams and Jets losses, this team has been very competitive.
We don’t disagree on everything though. I think it’s a fact that for us to have any chance at getting a respectable coach in here Pettine & Farmer will have to be allowed to “play out their contracts”, so to speak, regardless of where the record stands after this season. The Chud/Banner/Lombardi debacle was a Front Office faux pas that will not soon be forgotten around the league.
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