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ParticipantQ & A: WUNKLE ON WUNKLE
With the 2015-2016 edition of the Cleveland Browns season mercifully in the books and the focus of all of America steadfastly on the 2016 NFL playoffs; I thought it only appropriate to sit back and record a heart-to-heart talk with . . . myself. Yes, the crusty old curmudgeon that many of you know originally from dawgbones.com and now on brownsfootballtalk.com has decided to open up and give his thoughts and opinions on a number of subjects – both inside and outside of the NFL . So without any further delay, let’s make our way into the padded cell and welcome Uncle Bill to our show.
Q: Suffice to say that it’s been yet another disappointing NFL season in Cleveland. What do you see as any possible silver linings coming out of the Browns’ dark cloud of anguish?
A: Well for starters, the Browns organization now knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Johnny Manziel is not their quarterback of the future because he’s incapable of being trusted by any NFL coaching staff. With that information in hand, they’re ready to move on – whether they can get anything tangible for him or not. They also discovered that neither Ray Farmer nor Mike Pettine are GM or head coaching material respectively. Jimmy Haslam has discovered that he’s capable of learning from past mistakes. He’s also started this off-season with a motivation to get it right because, admittedly, he’s been successful in every business venture he’s pursued – except this one.
Q: What’s your take on new Head Coach Hue Jackson?
A: Quite frankly, he’s the man I wanted for the job from day one. However, as much as I had hoped that Jimmy and company would land him; I thought the Browns didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting it done. Jackson has previous head coaching experience at the NFL level, albeit one season. He’s a motivator and educator of men that will hold his players and coaches accountable – which is something that’s been severely lacking since 1999. He’s known for his ability to develop quarterbacks – which is another area of need here. His ability to win the press conference is refreshing to say the least, and his positive mental attitude is contagious. His players absolutely love him and have the utmost respect for him. Granted, time will tell whether or not Jimmy finally got this hire right, but I’m more encouraged now than at any time since Phil Savage drafted Joe Thomas third overall in 2007.
Q: So far, what do you see as the most significant hires that Jackson’s made?
On the offensive side, Al Saunders as Senior Offensive Assistant/Receivers Coach and Hal Hunter as the Offensive Line Coach – maybe even Hunter more so than Saunders because it’s to important to win the battle in the trenches so that the running and passing games can operate more efficiently and effectively. The Browns definitely need to get better production out of those two areas. Adding the right personnel will only accelerate the growth in production. Defensively, I’m actually surprised – if not shocked – that Ray Horton is here for a second tour of duty. Granted, we’ll hear more about “big men that can run and little men that can hit”, but the fact remains that he got his players to produce.
Q: First impressions are important to you. What are your thoughts on the new VP of Football Operations – Sashi Brown?
A: Young – perhaps too young and inexperienced for the job, very intelligent and articulate, seems to be a likeable person who’s able to bring people together and buy into certain things. How does that translate into wins? I haven’t got a clue. One thing we do know, and that’s this . . . Jimmy really likes and respects him.
Q: Staying with first impressions, what’s your impression of Paul DePodesta?
A: Again . . . intelligent, articulate and passionate about getting things done right are my first impressions. Analytics seems to be the big buzz word these days and how it’s going to “change the game as we know it”. Let me tell you something. Analytics and people who use them have been around since coaches have been watching film of their opposing team – maybe even longer. All it is . . . is taking the information that’s available to you and using it as an aid to make correct decisions. This is everything from a player’s speed and ability to change directions quickly to a team’s tendencies on certain down and distance scenarios. Everyone at the NFL level is using analytics to one extent or another. It’s just one tool for the decision making process. How well the Browns will be able to use analytics to their advantage? Who really knows? I do think that it’s a good thing to evaluate all the information that an organization has available to it.
Q: What’s your take on Jimmy going down with the scouts and coaching staff to Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl?
A: I love it. I’m encouraged that Jimmy’s taking a more active role in the organization. I hope that his wife Dee went down with them too for when they conduct their interviews. After all, she evidently reads people very well. Why not have as many pairs of eyes looking around? Players are going to notice when they see Jimmy in the stands. Maybe it puts some added pressure on some, maybe it gives others added incentive to perform well.
Q: The Browns finally filled the position of VP of Player Personnel by hiring Andrew Berry. Any thoughts on that?
A: I know that he used to work in the Colts organization’s scouting department, and that Bill Polian has spoken very admirably of him. Other than that, I’ve got nothing – except that they added another Harvard grad. We’ll see how this all pans out sooner or later. Hopefully, it’ll be good for all parties involved. One thing that puzzles me is this . . . If this wasn’t viewed as an upward move, then why were the Colts seemingly so willing to let him go? What would really make me feel good about the hire is if I heard where someone from the Texans’ front office say how glad they are that he’s no longer working for the Colts because he was killing us. At any event, with all the Harvard graduates now helping run the Browns, I wonder if they’ll make scarlet one of the team’s official colors.
Q: Enough on the Browns for now. Let’s shift gears. What’s your take on Donald Trump’s popularity as a presidential candidate?
A: The reason for his popularity is multifold . . . He stands out because he doesn’t sound like your conventional politician, thus the people actually hear what he’s saying. If you’ve seen the movie, “Man of the Year” , Donald Trump is Tom Dobbs (a political satirist and television personality portrayed by the late Robin Williams). Also, a number of people are sick and tired of politics as usual. They’re tired of the Democratic/Socialist part and they’re tired of the Republican party. People are tired of lazy, stupid, ignorant and ill-informed people casting their ballots (in some cases, multiple times in one election) and outnumbering the intelligent and well-informed voters. People are also tired of the voter fraud that was widespread across the country last presidential election. Whether or not he’ll be a good president, I don’t know. I do know that he’s certainly not afraid to speak his mind; nor is he afraid of putting people in their place.
Q: So, Is that an endorsement for Trump?
A: Actually, no. I trust him even less than your average ten year old kid can throw him. Donald Trump is all about one person . . . Donald Trump. I can never support a presidential candidate that supports partial birth abortions. He’s the type of man that would sell his own soul – and maybe already has – to get whatever he wants; attempting to destroy anyone who dares to get in his way.
Q: So, which candidate or candidates would you be willing to endorse?
A: Honestly . . . Ted Cruz. He’s an effective defender of Constitutional Law and Judeo-Christian values. This is a man who’s stood before the United States Supreme Court as a case lawyer and WON. The only hope for this country is for its people to elect leaders that honor and reverence God, will fight to secure our borders and bring fiscal accountability back to running the government. I also believe that Dr. Ben Carson is an extremely well-versed, well-educated and profoundly articulate man of impeccable character. It would be interesting to see him on the same ticket as Ted Cruz.
Q: So, what are your thoughts on Hillary Clinton?
A: Her boss fired her during the Watergate hearings (in 1974) for fraud and ethics violations. She’s married to a lying womanizer, whose own ethical and moral conduct is infamous – Just ask Monica. She’s abandoned United States foreign representatives to be left to die in Benghazi and then lied about her role. Ask the families of those four who died there, “What difference does it make?” She’s sent classified information over her personal e-mail account and then deleted those e-mails to save her skin. Finally, she’s under FBI investigation and needs to be prosecuted and convicted for her rampant abuse of office. Eventually, this woman will reap a bumper crop of what she has sown. I just hope that I live long enough to see it for myself. Other than that, I’ve got no opinion.
Q: And finally, Bernie Sanders?
A: You want to know my thoughts about a self-professed socialist that wants even bigger government than what we already have and plans to disarm the American public? Are you serious?! Have taken a good look at him? He’s 74 years old, but looks like he’s in his 90’s. If – God forbid – he were to win the election, I don’t think he’d live to see the end of his term. The dude already has one foot in the grave and people are ready to push him the rest of the way. Next question, please before I lose my lunch.
Q: Okay, enough of politics for now. Let’s get back to something you’re better known for . . . Without giving away any mock draft selections before the final order is set, who do you think is the best player available in the draft regardless of position?
A: While Mississippi LT Laremy Tunsil might very well be the first overall pick by Tennessee (assuming they keep the pick) ; without question, it’s Ohio State DE Joey Bosa. Bosa is just so explosive off the line and is an immediate impact player. Is he the next JJ Watt? It’s way too early to tell, but he’s going to be a great one.
Q: Which prospect intrigues you the most and why?
A: As a Browns fan, the quarterback position always interests me – and for obvious reasons. I’d have to say North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz. I saw the footage of the FCS Championship game against Jacksonville State and walked away very impressed. This kid has the height, frame, arm strength, hand size, athleticism and all the other measureable features you look for in a franchise caliber quarterback. He’s far from a finished product, but he’s got a lot of good things going for him.
Q: Does that mean that you think he’s worthy of the second overall pick?
A: I’m still trying to figure that one out. I’ll tell you this much. There are only three quarterbacks in this year’s draft that justify a first round grade. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz and Paxton Lynch. There may be one other selected in the first round, but any other quarterback selected in the first round other than those three is a major reach.
This is Bill Wunkle reporting from the padded cell. Have a great day, everybody.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
January 31, 2016 at 1:51 am #4045DawgSoldier
ParticipantI feel very similarly on your coaching/front office takes.
On your political takes.
Clinton need to rot in a jail cell for 20+ years for her BS.
Sanders wants to double the national debt over the next 10 years. Look at what the current jack ass in office has accomplished doing that. The economy is a MESS. No thanks to that BS.
Trump IMO has some very interesting ideas about trade national security and domestic border security I really like. That and he is a man that gets things done, otherwise he wouldn’t be an accomplished billionaire business mogul.
Cruz I am 100% with you on him Bill.
The rest don’t seem viable because of lack of voter support thus far.
On Carson Wentz I hope he is the pick at 2 and will await soups fire everyone thread when he they pass on air raid bustolicious Goff. 😀
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January 31, 2016 at 4:14 am #4046Shooter
Moderator#1, this is hilarious and I give props. Well done.
I’m going to be upfront, I’d never considered the idea of interviewing oneself before, this was genius (seriously), and…….well I’m gonna totally steal it at a later point in time and use it.
#2 Gonna walk that political tightrope there huh?
Alright then, cheers and high five, I’ll give you credit you put it out there so maybe I’m just gonna call you bulletproof Bill now. It’s a bold move, but it’s book-ended well so we’ll see. Can of worms/pandoras box situation there but, as the “Crusty Curmudgeon” the tactic has some value, I can roll with it.
Ben Carson is a fucking idiot.
I’m not really sure I’ve ever heard a more terrifying answer to a question before when I asked “okay, who the fuck is this guy?” and I heard…
“He’s a brain surgeon”.
That……….well…..of course he is.
Quite frankly, he’s the man I wanted for the job from day one.
Agreed and I don’t think you’ll find too many otherwise. I was shocked we got him. He was a commodity, and, well, we don’t do that here. We hire Shurmers and Pettines. I, I did not see that coming. How can we not be thumbs-uppy?
Jimmy Haslam has discovered that he’s capable of learning from past mistakes
I think that remains to be seen.
I think that Jimmy Haslam is a billionaire, in a billionaires bragging rights club, and he’s getting laughed at a lot now. I think that pisses him off because he came in to the league and threw his dick on the table, and now 3 years later, that was a big table and he’s trying to tell everyone that he just got out of the pool.
So, we’ll see.
Let me tell you something. Analytics and people who use them have been around since coaches have been watching film of their opposing team – maybe even longer. All it is . . . is taking the information that’s available to you and using it as an aid to make correct decisions. This is everything from a player’s speed and ability to change directions quickly to a team’s tendencies on certain down and distance scenarios.
With all due respect, I’d like to see and hear your equation on a players ability to change direction.
Specifically: What do you mean by that? In what situation.
And offensive or defensive players?
What are the measured parameters of the “initial” direction foremost, and then as compared to the, what I’m presuming to be, “altered” direction.
What’s the metric? Be specific please in the differences too that would separate on offensive player form a defensive one and lay out those metrics as well. I’m serious, I’m genuinely interested in the formula.
I hope that his wife Dee went down with them too for when they conduct their interviews
Ya know what Bill, I’m with ya here on this one.
Ya know why? Because honestly, nothing says “we know what the fuck we’re doing” more than having a 60-year-old-woman that’s married to a guy who made his money in owning gas stations asking serious, hardcore football questions that could impact our team for the next decade. Not only does it inspire confidence, it does so because it really makes you get behind a guy who’s willing to say “I love my wife”. Ya just don’t see that kind of thing anymore, and dammit, that’s awesome.
I do know that he’s certainly not afraid to speak his mind; nor is he afraid of putting people in their place.
So did Hitler, nor was he.
Right after he did all that he took everyones guns away and started throwing people in ovens.
She’s sent classified information over her personal e-mail account and then deleted those e-mails to save her skin
Bush and Cheney did this over 2 million times over 8 years.
Read that entire sentence again, while realizing it’s context at least 10 times. (I even bolded it for you). Then go Google Eric Snowden.
I’m going to end with, I understand that for reasons I do not know, you have seemed to develop a sour taste for me. I don’t know why but, I still love YOU so, maybe you’ll break that down for me sometime. Maybe not. Not sure.
I’d still break bread with you though. At any table. I respect you good sir, crazy as I think you are and disagree with you as I do.
January 31, 2016 at 11:39 am #4048DawgSoldier
ParticipantShe’s sent classified information over her personal e-mail account and then deleted those e-mails to save her skin
Bush and Cheney did this over 2 million times over 8 years.
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January 31, 2016 at 2:34 pm #4049soup
ParticipantI’m only responding to parts I feel different on. IF I omit a portion – it’s because I agree 100%.
Q: What’s your take on Jimmy going down with the scouts and coaching staff to Mobile, Alabama for the Senior Bowl?
A: I love it. I’m encouraged that Jimmy’s taking a more active role in the organization. I hope that his wife Dee went down with them too for when they conduct their interviews. After all, she evidently reads people very well. Why not have as many pairs of eyes looking around? Players are going to notice when they see Jimmy in the stands. Maybe it puts some added pressure on some, maybe it gives others added incentive to perform well.To me it shows that he will override his hires based on his stupidity ala his dictate to draft Johnny Manziel. This move is a huge red flag that he refuses to learn from his vast mistakes
Enough on the Browns for now. Let’s shift gears. What’s your take on Donald Trump’s popularity as a presidential candidate?
A: The reason for his popularity is multifold . . . He stands out because he doesn’t sound like your conventional politician, thus the people actually hear what he’s saying. If you’ve seen the movie, “Man of the Year” , Donald Trump is Tom Dobbs (a political satirist and television personality portrayed by the late Robin Williams). Also, a number of people are sick and tired of politics as usual. They’re tired of the Democratic/Socialist part and they’re tired of the Republican party. People are tired of lazy, stupid, ignorant and ill-informed people casting their ballots (in some cases, multiple times in one election) and outnumbering the intelligent and well-informed voters. People are also tired of the voter fraud that was widespread across the country last presidential election. Whether or not he’ll be a good president, I don’t know. I do know that he’s certainly not afraid to speak his mind; nor is he afraid of putting people in their place.
Q: So, Is that an endorsement for Trump?
A: Actually, no. I trust him even less than your average ten year old kid can throw him. Donald Trump is all about one person . . . Donald Trump. I can never support a presidential candidate that supports partial birth abortions. He’s the type of man that would sell his own soul – and maybe already has – to get whatever he wants; attempting to destroy anyone who dares to get in his way.Trump is a two bit moron. I agree with not trusting him at all. As for abortions – there were 415,000 children in foster care last year. Unless you and your wife are foster parents – you don’t have a right to say anything about abortion. Help those who need help – don’t advocate bringing more unwanted/mistreated children into the US that you have no desire to take care of. IF people like you shut up and became foster parents then I’d believe you care about the children. Until then – zip it.
Q: So, which candidate or candidates would you be willing to endorse?
A: Honestly . . . Ted Cruz. He’s an effective defender of Constitutional Law and Judeo-Christian values. This is a man who’s stood before the United States Supreme Court as a case lawyer and WON. The only hope for this country is for its people to elect leaders that honor and reverence God, will fight to secure our borders and bring fiscal accountability back to running the government. I also believe that Dr. Ben Carson is an extremely well-versed, well-educated and profoundly articulate man of impeccable character. It would be interesting to see him on the same ticket as Ted Cruz.Ted Cruz is a religious zealot who should be slapped along with anyone voting for him. He’s clueless on the constitution and wants to shove religion – the true root of all that is evil – down everyone’s throat. LEarn history – the country wasn’t founded by religious idiots. In fact – they made sure religio wasn’t a part of the foundation. You want to practice religion? Totally fine. The moment you believe your “morals” are better – is the moment you lose sight of the constitution. The moment your religion comes above someone else’s rights is the moment you should leave the country.
Q: So, what are your thoughts on Hillary Clinton?
A: Her boss fired her during the Watergate hearings (in 1974) for fraud and ethics violations. She’s married to a lying womanizer, whose own ethical and moral conduct is infamous – Just ask Monica. She’s abandoned United States foreign representatives to be left to die in Benghazi and then lied about her role. Ask the families of those four who died there, “What difference does it make?” She’s sent classified information over her personal e-mail account and then deleted those e-mails to save her skin. Finally, she’s under FBI investigation and needs to be prosecuted and convicted for her rampant abuse of office. Eventually, this woman will reap a bumper crop of what she has sown. I just hope that I live long enough to see it for myself. Other than that, I’ve got no opinion.You missed one thing – this country has been going downward for a minimum of 30 years. She’s always been a part of the problem. She needs to go away.
Q: And finally, Bernie Sanders?
A: You want to know my thoughts about a self-professed socialist that wants even bigger government than what we already have and plans to disarm the American public? Are you serious?! Have taken a good look at him? He’s 74 years old, but looks like he’s in his 90’s. If – God forbid – he were to win the election, I don’t think he’d live to see the end of his term. The dude already has one foot in the grave and people are ready to push him the rest of the way. Next question, please before I lose my lunch.I like the fact that he wants free college as education is more important than anything for this country to move forward. Other than that – go away.
Final thoughts – anyone who votes for anything with an R or a D before it – is voting for the status quo. IT’s a GUARANTEE that the pointless wars will continue. It’s a GUARANTEE the debt will double again. IT’s a GUARANTEE we’ll idiotically still protect Israel at all costs – which is way too high. Aside from that – they are trying to commit genocide of the Palestineans. Israel I sick and cruel just like all the middle east. Pull out – come home – fix this country.
The only solution is to vote 3rd party. If you don’t – then you lose all rights to complain because you are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
Q: Okay, enough of politics for now. Let’s get back to something you’re better known for . . . Without giving away any mock draft selections before the final order is set, who do you think is the best player available in the draft regardless of position?
A: While Mississippi LT Laremy Tunsil might very well be the first overall pick by Tennessee (assuming they keep the pick) ; without question, it’s Ohio State DE Joey Bosa. Bosa is just so explosive off the line and is an immediate impact player. Is he the next JJ Watt? It’s way too early to tell, but he’s going to be a great one.
Q: Which prospect intrigues you the most and why?
A: As a Browns fan, the quarterback position always interests me – and for obvious reasons. I’d have to say North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz. I saw the footage of the FCS Championship game against Jacksonville State and walked away very impressed. This kid has the height, frame, arm strength, hand size, athleticism and all the other measureable features you look for in a franchise caliber quarterback. He’s far from a finished product, but he’s got a lot of good things going for him.
Q: Does that mean that you think he’s worthy of the second overall pick?
A: I’m still trying to figure that one out. I’ll tell you this much. There are only three quarterbacks in this year’s draft that justify a first round grade. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz and Paxton Lynch. There may be one other selected in the first round, but any other quarterback selected in the first round other than those three is a major reach.
This is Bill Wunkle reporting from the padded cell. Have a great day, everybody.Wentz is going to be one of those guys that should drop to round 2 or later. IF we take him at #2 – that will tell me we are changing regimes again sooner than later. Mentally I’ll have no faith. The only thing that will change it will be his play on the field as a pro. To me – Goff is the only top 5 caliber guy.
Freedom!!!
February 1, 2016 at 5:01 pm #4054MDP Sack Attack
ParticipantTrump is nothing more than a pandering fear monger who appeals to the weak minded. Basically the only thing he accomplishes is making Cruz look like less of a lunatic. Republicans had better hope for a late surge by Rubio or Bush, if they want to have any hope of winning the general election, because Trump and Cruz will get absolutely demolished on the national stage.
Clinton is the world’s most generic candidate. I don’t like the idea of a president coming from the sort of political machine she does, because who knows what the hell she will actually do once she gets elected and the money behind the scenes starts giving her orders.
Sanders is a great and honest candidate for change, offering real solutions to income inequality and health care reform. Which makes him completely unelectable in a general election.
Pretty crappy election season.
February 2, 2016 at 5:26 am #4055DawgSoldier
ParticipantTrump is nothing more than a pandering fear monger who appeals to the weak minded. Basically the only thing he accomplishes is making Cruz look like less of a lunatic. Republicans had better hope for a late surge by Rubio or Bush, if they want to have any hope of winning the general election, because Trump and Cruz will get absolutely demolished on the national stage.
Clinton is the world’s most generic candidate. I don’t like the idea of a president coming from the sort of political machine she does, because who knows what the hell she will actually do once she gets elected and the money behind the scenes starts giving her orders.
Sanders is a great and honest candidate for change, offering real solutions to income inequality and health care reform. Which makes him completely unelectable in a general election.
Pretty crappy election season.http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511
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February 2, 2016 at 7:58 am #4056BillWunkle
ParticipantThanks to all of you that took the time to reply to my article. It reassures me somewhat that you actually took the time to read it.
To Shooter: I think my latest rampage was on your proposed thought that the Browns could actually win one – possibly two – of their remaining three games last season. I found that concept so absurd that – right or wrong – I had to blow a gasket in your direction. The last time I did that, my wrath was aimed towards Maverick a few years ago when he suggested that the Browns had a chance against the Steelers. The Browns went on to win that particular game. Not only was I wrong about the outcome of the game, but I was even more wrong in the way I verbally abused Maverick in my lashing out. It seems that I – at least momentarily – forgot that episode. I hope that you can accept my apology and forgive me for my outburst. One small word of advice if I may . . . I’m not so sure that it’s good form to call an accomplished pediatric neurosurgeon “a f###ing idiot”; especially when you consider all that he needed to go through to get to where he is now. I think that some (if not many) of the “issues” that you and I have are probably related to the deeply rooted differences between conservatism and liberalism. Perhaps we’ll someday have that opportunity to break bread after all.
To DawgSoldier: Whether it’s the fact that we’re both Buckeyes fans, that we both love to look into the draft more closely than most, that we more often than not look at things from a conservative point of view or that we both openly endorse traditional Judeo-Christian values; you and I have developed a sort of kindred spirit. For that I’m most thankful. Whether or not you agree with something I post, I know that beyond any doubt you support me – and that means a LOT to me.
To Soup: I’m glad that we agree on at least a thing or two. It’s not necessarily the times we disagree, but rather the statements you make in your post in disagreement with me that leave me shaking my head in bewilderment and questioning your mental well-being. BTW . . . You come off as if you think that abortion actually helps curb child abuse. HELLOOOOOOOOOOO . . . murdering an innocent unborn child IS THE ULTIMATE FORM OF CHILD ABUSE. And yes, my wife and I have on two occasions taken a teenager into our home; not officially as foster parents, but effectively in that role. We provided a loving home for these teens that needed parental figures in their lives, insomuch that one of them to this day calls my wife and me “Mom and Dad”. Your biggest problem is that you’re far too quick to rattle off opinions on subjects that you know absolutely nothing about; and for that I genuinely pity you. One more thing . . . just because you have no moral or religious conviction doesn’t quantify or qualify you to feebly make an attempt to verbally lambaste those of us who do.
To MDP: As much as I respect you, I have no idea how you can possibly consider someone as corrupt as Hillary Clinton as “The most generic candidate”. Sanders is honest about being a Socialist, on that much I’ll agree with you.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
February 2, 2016 at 11:18 am #4058BillWunkle
ParticipantA couple more things to Shooter . . .
1) since you’re not one to throw away a compliment – regardless of the situation – I’m quite flattered that you would be so blatant in saying that the idea of interviewing myself was “genius”. I’m still trying to come to grips with that one.
2) Dee Haslam probably doesn’t know jack about football, but (at least according to Jimmy) she’s very good at reading people – which was the point I wanted to emphasize.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
February 2, 2016 at 12:20 pm #4062soup
ParticipantTo Soup: I’m glad that we agree on at least a thing or two. It’s not necessarily the times we disagree, but rather the statements you make in your post in disagreement with me that leave me shaking my head in bewilderment and questioning your mental well-being. BTW . . . You come off as if you think that abortion actually helps curb child abuse. HELLOOOOOOOOOOO . . . murdering an innocent unborn child IS THE ULTIMATE FORM OF CHILD ABUSE. And yes, my wife and I have on two occasions taken a teenager into our home; not officially as foster parents, but effectively in that role. We provided a loving home for these teens that needed parental figures in their lives, insomuch that one of them to this day calls my wife and me “Mom and Dad”. Your biggest problem is that you’re far too quick to rattle off opinions on subjects that you know absolutely nothing about; and for that I genuinely pity you. One more thing . . . just because you have no moral or religious conviction doesn’t quantify or qualify you to feebly make an attempt to verbally lambaste those of us who do.
I was pretty clear in prefacing that if you didn’t foster you have no right to speak about abortion. While you aren’t “technically” a foster parent – what you are doing is fostering and I commend you and your wife for that. To me – that opens up a discussion on your thoughts on abortion. I meet so many people who are anti-abortion – yet tell me they’d never foster a child. You are an exception to that rule.
As for abortion – to outlaw it is to put many women in severe danger. My wife, for example, if she were to get pregnant we’d have to seriously consider it because due to her thyroid disease it’s extremely dangerous for her to get pregnant. (Which is why we looked into adoption and ended up in the world of foster care – hopefully by the end of this year the one we have will end up with our last name). All we wanted was to have kids.
There’s too many things that can happen to pregnant women in regards to health to outlaw it completely.
As for religion – your convictions are fine – making your religious convictions law and enforcing it into politics is not fine (if you truly believe it’s okay, then you are okay with a Muslim getting elected and enforcing sharia law – after all – it’s their religious conviction). In fact, it’s unconstitutional and against the very thing this country was founded upon.
Ted Cruz wants to:
A – expand the military. This means he’s pro-war – aka pro-killing. So his Christian values allow him to break the commandment Thou Shall not Kill?
B – Outlaw gay marriage. So it’s okay that he wants to decrease the rights of other citizens and make them NOT EQUAL to everyone else? What part of that is constitutional? There’s a simple solution. If you are against gay marriage and you are a guy – don’t marry another guy. It’s really not a hard concept.
In case you want to say the natural thing most religious people say “marriage is a religious ceremony.” No, it’s not. Holy Matrimony is the sacrament. Marriage isn’t.
Personally – I believe all religion should be outlawed because it’s an excuse to commit awful crimes in the name of something that doesn’t exist. The bible was written by a bunch of humans that convinced other humans god told them to write it. Today they’d be put in an asylum. Middle East is a mess in the name of allah, people blow up abortion clinics in the name of god. But guess what? You can’t outlaw itin America. I disagree with organized religion – but it’s your right to have it and practice it and that’s fine. I don’t like it – so guess what? I don’t practice it. While you clearly disagree with my views on it – you have the right to. HOWEVER – you don’t have the right to throw god into politics and govern me with it (unless of course you want to tell me that because I don’t practice it everything I do is 100% tax free because my income shouldn’t support your religion against my will.)
Hopefully that all makes sense to you and I hopefully explained it properly.
Freedom!!!
February 2, 2016 at 2:25 pm #4070Ice
KeymasterHoly crap Wunkle pulled the pin on the politics grenade.
[[desperately tries to put pin back in the grenade]]
February 2, 2016 at 3:34 pm #4074DawgSoldier
ParticipantHoly crap Wunkle pulled the pin on the politics grenade.
[[desperately tries to put pin back in the grenade]]Sorry he already milked of the fuse and chucked dead in the middle of everything.
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February 2, 2016 at 9:14 pm #4075BillWunkle
ParticipantI did understand that your comments on abortion were prefaced. Soup, you know as well as I that not everyone is cut out for foster parenting; whether it’s temperament, health, economics or some other valid reason. I do appreciate the commendation, by the way. There are times when you wonder if you’re making a difference in someone’s life; then you hear a voice say, “Dad . . .” and it lets you know that you are.
As for the forum on abortion opening up, here’s my stance (for what it’s worth) . . .
I’m not so ignorant to think that there aren’t some women who are serious health risks if they were to become pregnant. However, I personally know a young couple where the wife, because of her diminutive height and frame, was advised by her doctor to not have children. I think there were other reasons as well, but none of them are coming to mind at present. Long story short, they put their trust in God and, well . . . they’re currently expecting their third child. you don’t come off as one who’s big on faith in an almighty creator, but there really is something to this “God thing”; in spite of your views on the Bible and those who put their faith in God and the Bible.
There’s also the scenario where a woman has a tubal pregnancy. That in particular is an instance where (at least as far as I understand it – someone please correct me if I’m wrong) the fetus has literally no chance of survival and the woman’s life is very much at risk if the condition goes unaddressed. I’m not for the taking of any human life (regardless of how small), but life threatening medical conditions are the only scenario where I could possibly think of justifying the termination a pregnancy prematurely. Even so, that’s something that I’d have to struggle long and hard with.
My biggest issue with legalized abortion – as I’m sure you’ve already guessed – is abortion on demand for “the sake of convenience” or as “a means of contraceptive” because someone either can’t keep from exploring and fulfilling their sexual desires until after they’ve married; or at least use any of a number of contraceptives that are available at your local pharmacy or large chain grocery store. The thought of destroying an innocent life that’s yet to be born just because someone didn’t want to deal with raising a child is to me the ultimate form of cowardice. In short . . . keep your goods in your pants until you’re married – that goes for both men and women.
MOVING ON . . .
Throwing God into politics first happened way back when murder, bank robbery, forgery and extortion – along with other acts – were made illegal; so you’re a little late for that one. As for a Muslim government leader enacting Shariah law, that goes against our nation’s constitution. One more thing . . . Islam isn’t a religion at all; it’s an ideology that encourages beheading of those with unlike “values”. This ideology also endorses rape, pedophilia, mutilation of female genitalia, men having sex with goats and other farm animals. Need I continue? I think not.
You think that religion should be outlawed? You would feel right at home in Communist China and in what was the Soviet Union. But then, you’d be required to join the military for three years of service.
NEXT SUBJECT . . .
Expanding the military is not necessarily “pro war”, but rather “protect our borders from those who would otherwise destroy our nation’s constitution, its borders, its people and way of life”.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
February 3, 2016 at 11:53 am #4078DawgSoldier
ParticipantWELL SAID WUNKLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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February 3, 2016 at 1:10 pm #4080soup
ParticipantI did understand that your comments on abortion were prefaced. Soup, you know as well as I that not everyone is cut out for foster parenting; whether it’s temperament, health, economics or some other valid reason. I do appreciate the commendation, by the way. There are times when you wonder if you’re making a difference in someone’s life; then you hear a voice say, “Dad . . .” and it lets you know that you are.
For anyone reading this – the fact that Bill and his wife welcome TEENAGERS of all things is something highly worthy of praise. Bill – no matter our views – you and your wife are amazing people. Teenagers are far and away the toughest cases in a foster situation. They’ve been through so much in their lives that the barriers are hard to break. My wife and I aren’t ready for teens and accept 0-3 year olds.
As for the forum on abortion opening up, here’s my stance (for what it’s worth) . . .
I’m not so ignorant to think that there aren’t some women who are serious health risks if they were to become pregnant. However, I personally know a young couple where the wife, because of her diminutive height and frame, was advised by her doctor to not have children. I think there were other reasons as well, but none of them are coming to mind at present. Long story short, they put their trust in God and, well . . . they’re currently expecting their third child. you don’t come off as one who’s big on faith in an almighty creator, but there really is something to this “God thing”; in spite of your views on the Bible and those who put their faith in God and the Bible.There’s a reason what doctors due is called a “practice.” As for god being the reason for the pregnancy. That means you believe god intervenes. So why’d he allow a little girl we watched (18 months old) to be sexually abused? That means she had to have been sexually abused that way around 12 months old.
There’s also the scenario where a woman has a tubal pregnancy. That in particular is an instance where (at least as far as I understand it – someone please correct me if I’m wrong) the fetus has literally no chance of survival and the woman’s life is very much at risk if the condition goes unaddressed. I’m not for the taking of any human life (regardless of how small), but life threatening medical conditions are the only scenario where I could possibly think of justifying the termination a pregnancy prematurely. Even so, that’s something that I’d have to struggle long and hard with.
I appreciate that. You are much more open on abortion than most against it. I understand your struggle with it.
My biggest issue with legalized abortion – as I’m sure you’ve already guessed – is abortion on demand for “the sake of convenience” or as “a means of contraceptive” because someone either can’t keep from exploring and fulfilling their sexual desires until after they’ve married; or at least use any of a number of contraceptives that are available at your local pharmacy or large chain grocery store. The thought of destroying an innocent life that’s yet to be born just because someone didn’t want to deal with raising a child is to me the ultimate form of cowardice. In short . . . keep your goods in your pants until you’re married – that goes for both men and women.
I can understand that. However – if it can’t survive outside the woman’s body – it’s her right still (in my eyes). While that’s hard to conceptualize – I get it.
As for not everyone having the means to foster — not everyone has the means to parent. Those that claim it’s not fair to the children – if they cared – would take in the “born” children that need help currently. They’d sacrifice – as you do.
I respect you more than you know. You practice what you preach.
MOVING ON . . .
Throwing God into politics first happened way back when murder, bank robbery, forgery and extortion – along with other acts – were made illegal; so you’re a little late for that one. As for a Muslim government leader enacting Shariah law, that goes against our nation’s constitution. One more thing . . . Islam isn’t a religion at all; it’s an ideology that encourages beheading of those with unlike “values”. This ideology also endorses rape, pedophilia, mutilation of female genitalia, men having sex with goats and other farm animals. Need I continue? I think not.My point was religion doesn’t mix in government and shouldn’t. Your religious laws have no place in the life of someone non-religious. (that goes for all religions). According to the bible– if you raped a girl who wasn’t engaged and you were single – you owed the father silver and are supposed to marry the woman you raped as the fee. Think about how sick that is.
Our country was founded on freedom from and freedom of religion. They wanted out of the rule of the church of England. You can’t create laws because religion says so. Again – gay marriage is a great example of Ted Cruz proving he’s anti-constitution. He wants to keep people from equal rights based off his religion.
You think that religion should be outlawed? You would feel right at home in Communist China and in what was the Soviet Union. But then, you’d be required to join the military for three years of service.
You missed my point – I’m against organized religion, but I recognize it’s right to exist in the USA and know it can’t, won’t, and shouldn’t be outlawed. I just find too many people use it as justification for disgusting acts.
NEXT SUBJECT . . .Expanding the military is not necessarily “pro war”, but rather “protect our borders from those who would otherwise destroy our nation’s constitution, its borders, its people and way of life”.
No need to expand the military to do that – pull 100% out of the middle east and put them on our borders.
Freedom!!!
February 3, 2016 at 1:16 pm #4081BillWunkle
ParticipantSoup, I’ve come to the conclusion that we need to respectfully disagree on a number of issues and move on. What I don’t want is for this thread to go on for infinitum.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
February 3, 2016 at 1:51 pm #4086DawgSoldier
Participanthttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-pope-francis-among-2016-nobel-peace-prize-candidates/
Trump, Pope Francis among Nobel Peace Prize nominees
3-2-1 till liberal heads EXPLODE
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February 5, 2016 at 12:38 pm #4091Shooter
Moderator1) since you’re not one to throw away a compliment – regardless of the situation – I’m quite flattered that you would be so blatant in saying that the idea of interviewing myself was “genius”. I’m still trying to come to grips with that one.
I meant it, I thought it was great. It could’ve just sounded like you were talking to yourself but it didn’t somehow lol.
February 6, 2016 at 10:47 pm #4099BillWunkle
ParticipantSince you put it that way, Shooter, then perhaps I’m a better interviewer than what I thought. 😉
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
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