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- February 7, 2017 at 1:06 pm #7541
soupParticipantFuck no. Stay the hell away from Gerhardt Jr.
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February 7, 2017 at 1:29 pm #7542
ShooterModeratorI know I’m shocked at that opinion.
Why would you have any interest in an explosive, dynamic, triple threat player who can rush, catch passes out of the backfield or the slot, and be electric in the return game? Why, why would the Browns want a player like that? I hear ya. /eyeroll.
I can’t stand players that are a threat to house it every time they touch the ball.
February 7, 2017 at 2:32 pm #7543
soupParticipantHe’s not that threat. If memory serves we were #2 in YPA. RB is a complete waste in the draft.
FYI you just described Duke Johnson.
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February 7, 2017 at 3:26 pm #7544Dawg E. Dawg
ParticipantGerhart is a power back with 30 pounds on McCaffery, and he’s not much of anything as a receiver. Literally being white and playing for Stanford is the only thing they have in common. By that logic we have Andrew Luck Jr. on the team already with Kevin Hogan.
February 7, 2017 at 3:34 pm #7545
soupParticipantGerhart is a power back with 30 pounds on McCaffery, and he’s not much of anything as a receiver. Literally being white and playing for Stanford is the only thing they have in common. By that logic we have Andrew Luck Jr. on the team already with Kevin Hogan.
I repeat, McCaffrey is no one special NFL wise. My point on Gerhardt was everyone was obsessed with him due to being white and I told you he was crap. Same with McCaffrey
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February 7, 2017 at 3:39 pm #7546
DawgPoundDudeParticipantWait…since when did this guy’s color become part of the conversation?
If the shoe fits, we should definitely wear it.
February 7, 2017 at 3:43 pm #7547
ShooterModeratorHe’s not that threat.
Yeah, you’re right. Only 5100 yards from scrimmage and 31 TD’s in college. Lame.
February 7, 2017 at 4:34 pm #7548
soupParticipant64th all time. Travis Prentice is #11 all time. He was awesome.
You should be advocating for Donnell Pumphrey. #1 all time 7400 yards from scrimmage who will be in this draft.
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February 7, 2017 at 8:28 pm #7551
soupParticipantWait…since when did this guy’s color become part of the conversation?
If the shoe fits, we should definitely wear it.I’m racist against white running backs and Asian pitchers. Would never get either. A white fullback is okay.
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February 7, 2017 at 8:46 pm #7552Dawg E. Dawg
ParticipantGerhart is a power back with 30 pounds on McCaffery, and he’s not much of anything as a receiver. Literally being white and playing for Stanford is the only thing they have in common. By that logic we have Andrew Luck Jr. on the team already with Kevin Hogan.
I repeat, McCaffrey is no one special NFL wise. My point on Gerhardt was everyone was obsessed with him due to being white and I told you he was crap. Same with McCaffrey
Evaluating him based on him being white is beyond pointless.
That said, I don’t view RB as a huge need like many in the media do. No need to invest a high pick this year.
You can literally solidify your entire roster and let other positions get needed experience, then pick a rookie back and have them come in day one and play well. 0 reasons for the Browns to take one this year.
February 7, 2017 at 8:51 pm #7553
IceKeymasterI think the best way to influence the run game is to add guys to the o-line that are worth a shit. I’d take Crow and Duke behind a stud center over McCaffrey behind Erving all day every day.
February 7, 2017 at 8:54 pm #7555Dawg E. Dawg
ParticipantI think the best way to influence the run game is to add guys to the o-line that are worth a shit. I’d take Crow and Duke behind a stud center over McCaffrey behind Erving all day every day.
Bingo. Though, in McCafferys defense, you could substitute any name in there. If Erving the alternative, I’ll take Crow and Duke.
February 7, 2017 at 10:11 pm #7557
ShooterModeratoreveryone was obsessed with him due to being white and I told you he was crap. Same with McCaffrey
So, what he did on the field, what his numbers are, all the video evidence, and every measurable known to man are all completely thrown out the window because he’s white?
His production is comparable to LeSean McCoy, yet you’re gonna toss that out of the window because he’s white? Am I hearing that right?
With a straight face, you’re saying that for realsies?
February 7, 2017 at 10:36 pm #7558
ShooterModeratorI think the best way to influence the run game is to add guys to the o-line that are worth a shit. I’d take Crow and Duke behind a stud center over McCaffrey behind Erving all day every day.
I don’t disagree.
But we’re already Souping from my question. If he fell there, would you take him?
That said, I don’t view RB as a huge need like many in the media do. No need to invest a high pick this year.
I agree. But then again, if he’s there in the 2nd……..
I guess I look at it like this. Would you value McCaffrey over Duke and Crow?
That’s a real tough answer for me. I think, as I shake it out, yeah. Yeah I would.
So if you feel that way, and that guy is there…….do you take him?
We’re trying to really build a football team. Fill it with not just players, but playmakers. Ya know what I mean? Yeah we have holes, and big ones that need to be filled, but isn’t the position of “playmaker” a big one? Doesn’t that one need to be filled too?
The dude is a Swiss-Army-Knife level weapon. I just think it’d be a real hard conversation in the war room if he’s there at 33 to say and stick to “yeah but, we really need a guard”.
That’s all I’m saying.
February 7, 2017 at 10:54 pm #7560
soupParticipanteveryone was obsessed with him due to being white and I told you he was crap. Same with McCaffrey
So, what he did on the field, what his numbers are, all the video evidence, and every measurable known to man are all completely thrown out the window because he’s white?
His production is comparable to LeSean McCoy, yet you’re gonna toss that out of the window because he’s white? Am I hearing that right?
With a straight face, you’re saying that for realsies?Any reason you want him over Pumphrey? You know, the guy with the #1 production in NCAA history? How about Travis Prentice? #11 all time compared to #64 in production.
The fact you’d consider that guy over guys who’ve proven they can play in the NFL for real is laughable.
It’s not like we have Travis Prentice and Ben Gay back there.
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February 7, 2017 at 11:57 pm #7566
ShooterModeratorOkay, you get points for a Ben Gay reference.
You lose points for this:
The fact you’d consider that guy over guys who’ve proven they can play in the NFL for real is laughable.
How the fuck can I possibly compare him to guys who have proven themselves in the NFL when he himself isn’t even in the NFL, yet alone had the chance to do it? Not to mention, who, exactly, am I comparing him to?
You must be under the impression that Duke and Crow have blown me away in what they are capable of? That I’m so convinced these 2 are just the bees knees and stalwarts at their positions that the thoughts of even flirting with a change at where they play is both preposterous and nonsensical because all they need is a lineman or two and once that happens these guys will dominate in impressive fashion.
No, dude, I don’t feel that way.
I think they’re solid, NFL caliber players capable of producing at an acceptable level. Suggesting that there might actually be other players available to do their jobs better I don’t think is such a wild and overtly crazy fucking thought though. In fact, aside from Joe Thomas, I can’t honestly think of 1 position on this team where the question of “can we get any better than that?” doesn’t and shouldn’t routinely come up!
We won 1 fucking game last year! 1!
I’ve seen Isaiah Crowell bust out 150 yards rushing like a savage Viking rampaging a village. I’ve also seen him get 25 in a miserable loss. With the same line, in the same season.
That’s called in-confucking-sistency. Same with Duke. 3 straight games of “holy shit, I’m grabbing this dude off the waiver wire in my fantasy league because he’s killing it” followed by 8 weeks of “did he even dress today?”.
That qualifies as “proven” to you? THAT does? You’re serious right now?
Neither one of them have “proven” shit. You’re talking about “potential” now. You’re talking “what if’s” and “what could’s” and shit. Now in that dynamic, oh yeah, I think it’s a fair playing field to discuss it.
I think that Mccaffrey could gain 1500 yards from scrimmage in a year without even blinking. Neither one of the 2 guys we have now have ever even sniffed that.
And your 2 best arguments to refute that are that #1, he’s white, and #2, he’s unproven in the NFL?
With a serious look on your face, that’s what you’re gonna bring to the table on this one?
Ya know what dude, I’m gonna take your bet.
I’m gonna take your bet on your terms. 1 year tag line. If the Browns draft Myles Garret #1 overall, I write whatever I want as your sig, and you have to wear it for an entire year. If they take Watson, I’ll do the same and wear what you write for an entire year. I know for a fact that they aren’t, but you know soooooo much more than I do, I’ll take it. I accept your challenge.
I’ll also make a secondary bet with you. Christian McCaffrey alone, will have more yards from scrimmage than both Duke Johnson AND Isaiah Crowell next season.
Combined.
Return yardage included.
Take it and you get to pick my avatar. For a year. I pick yours if I win.
Gauntlet motherfucker, thrown.
February 8, 2017 at 5:27 am #7568
soupParticipantI agree on one condition, injury on any player in regards to bet 2 voids it
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February 8, 2017 at 5:37 am #7569
soupParticipantA little FYI for you, Crowell had 1271 yards from scrimmage last year while averaging 4.8 YPC behind a putrid oline. Until Bitonio went down he was one of the top backs in the NFL. We fix the line and he’s a 1500 yard rusher.
Your issue is you are so blinded by whitey you can’t see that it’s stupid to replace a position on this team where we don’t need it with a 2nd round pick. If you’d listen to me the past several years you’d notice that’s why we don’t build a team ever. We get rid of Sheard and replace with Orchard. We dump Mccown and replace with Frye. We constantly run on ice. We need a center, safeties, CBs RT far more than than a RB in round 2 to replace a guy averaging 4.8 YPC behind me a line that’s a strainer
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February 8, 2017 at 9:25 am #7572Dawg E. Dawg
ParticipantOne thing I’ll say that scares me with McCaffery (and I won’t be upset if they draft him at 33, though I’m not advocating it) is how people refer to him as a “playmaker.”
It scares me because jack-of-all-trades guys are typically masters of none. So, you end up with a guy that you think you can put anywhere but in reality you can’t put him anywhere because there’s always a better Wr to play at WR and a better RB to play at RB and so on. Reggie Bush early in his career comes to mind. He was billed as doineverything, but he wasn’t good enough at any one thing.
Is that McCaffery, or is he in the mold of Leveon Bell and David Johnson where he’s a great runner that happens to be a good receiver? Dunno, but it scares me.
February 8, 2017 at 10:06 am #7573
ShooterModeratorThat’s at least a valid concern. ^
February 8, 2017 at 11:45 am #7576
soupParticipantThat’s at least a valid concern. ^
Just making sure you agree to the injury stipulation on the Mcaffery bet
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February 9, 2017 at 10:48 am #7590
ShooterModeratorNo way. What if McCaffrey gets hurt? It’s the NFL, we’re talking about running backs, where on any play they could be done for the year. Injuries are part of the game, they should be part of the bet.
February 9, 2017 at 10:52 am #7591
soupParticipantIf Crowell blows out a knee and Mcaffery gets 209 yards for the year that’s not a real bet. Injury has to be part. How about significant injury? (That’s more what I’m referring to) Missing 4+ games due to injury?
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February 17, 2017 at 10:55 pm #7662
mike barnesParticipantHe’d probably be close to the top of the board at 33 if BPA is the issue and I don’t care if he’s white or not seems to me the pats won with a couple of white guys playing WR so how’d that happen soup?
February 18, 2017 at 4:59 am #7665
DawgSoldierParticipantI wanted Ty Montgomery when he came out from Stanford as he is just versatile as McCafffery. I want McCaffery for the same reasons.
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March 7, 2017 at 12:21 am #7860
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