NFL stunner: Texans trade QB Brock Osweiler AND a 2018 second-round pick to Cleveland for the Browns to take Osweiler’s $16M salary of Houston’s books, per league sources. The move clears out millions in salary-cap space for Houston to intensify efforts to sign former Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo, per sources. To be exact, Houston saves $16 million in cash and $10 million against their cap this season. The Texans also will get the Browns’ fourth-round pick this year in exchange for their own 6th-round pick. So Cleveland gets Osweiler’s contract, a 2018 second-round pick and a 2017 sixth-round pick, and Houston gets Cleveland’s 2017 fourth-round pick, saves $10 million in salary-cap space and $16 million in cash. Cleveland is not committed to keeping Osweiler and is likely to try to trade him, per sources. If so, it would turn into a basketball-like trade in which NBA teams routinely trade contracts to get them off their books; only it rarely, if ever, happens in the NFL. It’s hard to remember in the salary-cap era another team when a team traded a contract to get it off its books. But Houston was so anxious to rid itself of Osweiler and move on to its next quarterbacking chapter that it is giving Cleveland extra picks to take him and his contract. The Browns headed into this free-agent signing period with over $100 million worth of salary-cap space and would struggle to spend it all. Now they can devote some of it to Osweiler’s contract and acquiring extra draft picks from Houston. But this is one of the most, if not the most, creative trade in NFL history.

Hi guys! I know I have been MIA for a while….that is on me. Life happens. Oh and I love the “Browns for Life” guys like you and me.

My take on this is that its a complete no brainer. We get a 2nd rd pick, 6th rd pick, and a project/developmental QB for a 4th rd pick. We were never going to spend our cap space on franchise changing players. We’ve seen that before….and it didn’t work.

We have to overpay for free agents right now…Jefferson is an example of how players view us…leverage.

This trade makes a ton of sense. We have money and in return, we got a better in draft picks AND a ‘shot in the dark’ QB to be a back-up. That’s a win.

Oh and thanks for still being here!

well its nice to see them use the cap space i suppose

this was definitely an NBA type deal

NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport reports the Browns are “trying to shop” Brock Osweiler.

Emphasis on trying. There’s been lots of conjecture on what the Browns plan to do with their newly-acquired piece of bad debt, but it doesn’t seem like they will give it a chance to start. Osweiler is likely to either be released or dealt. The smart money is on released, making Osweiler a true NBA acquire-and-buyout acquisition.

Rotoworld.com

Rumor is we are offering Brock and a 5th round pick for a 3rd round pick.

Another point to make on this guy:

I think that Bill Obrien is a shit coach.

Osweiler was last years Jimmy Garrapolo. He was thought of very highly in Denver and was assumed to be the future starter and replacement for Peyton Manning after his retirement. The Texans offense consisted of a terrible offsensive line, Deandre Hopkins, and nothing else. There was reportedly tension between Obrien and Osweiler the entire season in Houston, ending with a blow-up and physical altercation between the two at the end of the year.

Elway was furious with Osweiler over leaving the Bronocs to chase the money. He was furious, I believe, because he believed in him and genuinely thought that their QB was solidified for years to come.

He played well for the Broncos the year before, going 5-2 and giving that organization a good feeling about him going forward. Then he spurns them for the dollars and goes to Houston and begins to clash with what I think is a mediocre, soon-to-be-fired head coach.

I say all that to make the point that, if Osweiler is still on this roster (admittedly a doubtful possibility) come time for training camp, the Browns may very well be surprised with what they have.

Again, we have nothing to lose by keeping him.

His career so far shows otherwise.

You lose all credibility bringing up a Super Bowl ring. By that logic we made a mistake trading Mingo. He has a Super Bowl ring.

More bad attempts by you. Curtis Painter sat behind Manning. How’d he turn out?

Denver BENCHED him because he was so bad.

Houston BENCHED him because he was so bad.

Houston paid us to take him off their roster, because he was so bad.

More bad attempts by you.

So bad that you didn’t even bother to address them. Because they’re valid points made with sound reasoning.

Curtis Painter sat behind Manning. How’d he turn out?

This argument has nothing to do with Curtis Painter. At all. But the attempt to completely change the subject into a totally different argument is noted.

Denver BENCHED him

Lmao, FOR PEYTON MANNING.

Houston BENCHED him

Again, in my opening point about this I explained that Bill Obrien is shit coach whom Osweiler had a fractured relationship with, and that Houston had a horrendous line with no weapons outside of Deandre Hopkins. The situation Brock found himself in was far less than an ideal one because that offense was and is, a mess.

Ya know it’s funny, the only point I was making was that if the Browns found Osweiler on their roster come training camp that it might not be such a terrible situation considering Cody Kessler and Hogan or the only QB’s currently on the roster. Veteran QB’s with experience, playoff experience, and Championship organization experience doesn’t hurt your team in any way. Then here you come making it sound like the guy doesn’t even know how to hold a football let alone throw one and will be out of the league as soon as he’s released.

Calm down, you look like Brad Pitt in 12 monkeys when he ate the spider.

You said sitting behind Manning was a plus.

I said Osweiler, sitting behind Manning, as he prepared for multiple Superbowls, was a plus. Because it is.

This has nothing to do with Curtis Painter. In any way shape or form, but again I’m noting down your second attempt to change the subject and steer the argument into a completely different tangent to deflect from the original. A very Trumpian tactic.

You said having a ring as a back up QB was a plus.

Because it is. Duh.

Yes, he was benched for Manning — who was in the bench for Osweiler because Manning was so bad in his final year.

Manning was benched due to a plantar fascia tear.

The team was all defense.

I thought I was pretty clear on that point when I said they had Deandre Hopkins and nothing else, and that offensively they were a total mess. So, uh yeah, I agree, that’s why I said it in the 1st place.

Forget the coach of Houston.

Well it’s a pretty significant point so no, I won’t. Bill Obrien is not a good head coach, and was feuding with Brock almost as soon as he stepped off the plane. It’s um, kind of an important aspect of how things went for the Texans on offense.

It’s not like Osweiler was Manning in his prime

Never even came close to making such an absurd comparison. Because it’s fucking absurd. The most I offered was that Elway was pissed when Brock left because I felt that Elway and the Broncos organization thought highly of him. That’s as far as I went. You don’t read so well.

Painter isn’t relevant because he didn’t see a Super Bowl.

Painter isn’t relevant because we aren’t talking about Curtis fucking Painter. That’s why he isn’t relevant.

Once you blame the coach after a guy sucked for 2 years under 2 coaches you are reaching.

Never blamed the coach. Just stated an opinion, that I believe Bill Obrien is a shitty coach, and a fact, that Brock and Obrien feuded all year long, ending with a physcial altercation. Say what you want about a coach, but when the season is coming to an end and your head coach and QB are actually physically fighting with each other, and you’re a playoff team, I think it’s valid to list that as an issue.

I don’t care what Elway thinks.

That’s fine. But a guy with multiple Superbowl appearances and wins, both on and off the field, and is a HOF’er at the very position we’re discussing has some weight with me. Especially when he’s in charge of running an organization at a Championship caliber level. But I’m not surprised a resume like that means nothing to you, I’m quite sure you think he’s a fucking idiot.

As for being all defense, I was referring to the Broncos and Texans.

So was I. Do you want me to agree with you in Portuguese? Eu concordo com voce’. There, I just did it two fucking languages now, is that enough?

I don’t give a shit about Elway resume on the field at all. As a talent evaluator/GM which he took over at in 2012……

5 Superbowls as a player, 2 as “The Great Leader” in Denver.

Combined that’s 7 Superbowls, 3 wins. 2 outta 4 years up in the box.

Nothing you say, and I stress nothing, can even begin to compare to what that guy knows about winning, getting a team to win, being a QB who knows how to get a team to win, or running an organization that knows how to win, to what the fuck ever it is you think you know.

If it were put into terms of a farm, John Elway is Monsanto, and you are a guy in Montana that still fucks the sheep on his day off. Pardon me if I take what Elway has to say about the situation above whatever stupifying nonsense you put out.

If a network needed to know how to sell airtime for commercials during the Superbowl, was looking for a guy, and somehow managed to ask me about it, I’d recommend the shit out of you.

But if you’re suggesting that what you think, holds more water than what John Elway thinks when it comes to getting to or winning Championships both on and off the field, and evaluating the position of QB in the NFL……………….baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahhahahaah cough choke gag wheez hahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahhaahahhahhaha you’re smoking more fucking weed than the entire state of Colorado currently has available.

You said he knows QBs.

No, I said his opinion has some weight with me because of his his track record and resume. I also said that he knows way more than you do. Because he’s John Elway, and he does. That’s just, what’s that word you love to use all the time, oh I remember…..a FACT.

Answer the question.

No. It’s irrelevant to the point.

It’s common sense that John Elway knows more about football, running a team, and evaluating the talent of QB’s than you do. There is no need, and I stress NO NEED, to even engage in any further debate on that topic. There is no debate. It’s just a fact. Aside from yourself, no one whose brain isn’t affected by disease or worms would think otherwise.

Shooter wrote:

You said he knows QBs.

No, I said his opinion has some weight with me because of his his track record and resume. I also said that he knows way more than you do. Because he’s John Elway, and he does. That’s just, what’s that word you love to use all the time, oh I remember…..a FACT.

Answer the question.

No. It’s irrelevant to the point.
It’s common sense that John Elway knows more about football, running a team, and evaluating the talent of QB’s than you do. There is no need, and I stress NO NEED, to even engage in any further debate on that topic. There is no debate. It’s just a fact. Aside from yourself, no one whose brain isn’t affected by disease or worms would think otherwise.

You give him merit on QB evaluation but don’t want any QB he drafted starting for us the next 10 years. Why? Elway knows more than you which means he had to have hit on those QBs. Right?

Matt Millen won 4 Super Bowls as a player. It’s safe to say as an evaluator of talent everyone who posts here is better at it than he was.

You called me out for showing you sitting behind Manning has no weight due to Painter and Sorgi. You said they don’t matter because we are talking about Osweiler.

Elways Super Bowl success doesn’t matter because we are talking about his ability to evaluate QBs. Nothing more. My question is highly relevant and your non answer speaks volumes about your thoughts on the QBs Elway has drafted as the GM since 2012.

You give him merit on QB evaluation but don’t want any QB he drafted starting for us the next 10 years. Why?

I love how I refuse to answer your question (due to it’s irrelevance), so you decide to answer it for me on my behalf, and then ask me another question based off the answer that you came up with for me.

Are you fucking insane? You’re literally talking to yourself at this point. Literally. You are talking…….to yourself.

Matt Millen

Matt Millen has as much to do with this conversation as Curtis Painter does. Your powers of deflection and subject changing really have no boundaries, do they?

Elways Super Bowl success doesn’t matter because we are talking about his ability to evaluate QBs.

No, that’s what you’re talking about. I’m talking about whether or not John Elways opinion on a QB holds more weight than yours. In that particular sense, as a HOF QB himself, and owner of said Suberbowl success, it very, very much matters.

This is a very basic point, understandably one you don’t agree with, but a basic one nontheless.

I value John Elways opinion over yours.

I always will. Because you’re Soup, and he’s John fucking Elway.

My question is highly relevant

It’s really not. It’s completely the opposite. It has no bearing or meaning whatsoever to this conversation. At all. None.

your non answer speaks volumes

Actually no, it doesn’t. It doesn’t speak anything, because nothing was spoken. If you feel the need to answer the question for me and proceed to have a further discussion with yourself, I’ll gladly sit back and watch your crazy unfurl in front of us all. Just let me know when you’re about to start, I want to grab a Gatorade and some gummi bears so I can watch the show.

Ice wrote:

Dawgstyle wrote:

It’s common sense that John Elway knows more about football, running a team, and evaluating the talent of QB’s than you do. There is no need, and I stress NO NEED, to even engage in any further debate on that topic. There is no debate. It’s just a fact. Aside from yourself, no one whose brain isn’t affected by disease or worms would think otherwise.
Actually…
This is a logical fallacy known as an argument from authority. Read more about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
While it can be argued that Elway’s experience gives him a higher probability of being right than Soup, it does not mean he is right and Soup is wrong ……<etc>
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Ah, but @shooter didn’t say that Elway is more likely to make better decisions, he only said “It’s common sense that John Elway knows more about football, running a team, and[b] evaluating the talent of QB’s than you do.[/b]” That is an empirical fact unless Soup has a secret football life none of us know about.
Unless Shooter did say something else about it but I’m not gonna go backwards through this thread to check.

In regards to the bold. None of his 3 QB’s wouldv’e been drafted by me. How many of his 3 QBs would you want starting for the Browns the next 10 years? Looking at that logically – reality is Siemien was a 7th round pick. I won’t fault him for a 7th round QB. It’s the 7th round.

Osweiler was a 2nd orund pick
Lynch was a 1st round pick

Which one of thiose guys do you want starting for us for the next 10 years?

If you answer “none” then how well a job did Elway do at evaluating those QBs?

Ah, but @shooter didn’t say that Elway is more likely to make better decisions, he only said “It’s common sense that John Elway knows more about football, running a team, and evaluating the talent of QB’s than you do.” That is an empirical fact unless Soup has a secret football life none of us know about.

Unless Shooter did say something else about it but I’m not gonna go backwards through this thread to check.

I was referring specifically to the part where Shooter made the assertion that John Elway must have seen something in Brock Osweiler because he tried to resign him. As this conversation is now spanning two different threads, I’m not inclined to track down the quote. #IceFactCheckStrategy FTW

Dawgstyle wrote:

I was referring specifically to the part where Shooter made the assertion that John Elway must have seen something in Brock Osweiler because he tried to resign him. As this conversation is now spanning two different threads, I’m not inclined to track down the quote. #IceFactCheckStrategy FTW

You think you can out lazy me? I have not yet begun to lazy!

Ah, but @shooter didn’t say that Elway is more likely to make better decisions, he only said “It’s common sense that John Elway knows more about football, running a team, and evaluating the talent of QB’s than you do.” That is an empirical fact unless Soup has a secret football life none of us know about.

Exactly. I appreciate your understanding of my position on this.

Go back and read it all. Millen is very relevant. Also, Osweiler IS GARBAGE. Look at his on field performance. Show me evidence I’m wrong

It was more than worth it and actually made my night to go back and re-read this entire thread.

Being right is fun.