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Here we go, trying to get this figured out…again. So let’s look at the options we have and answer the age-old Browns question…how do we fix this shit?
I will say this- taking the steps to fix the O-line is HUGE, and a major reason we sucked so bad last year. So no matter who we have throwing, he’ll at least have more peace of mind that he isn’t going to be at risk every passing down (we hope, anyways). So, now that we’ve given our QB some time, who’s it gonna be?
Cody Kessler: I like him. I’d be OK with him starting the season. I’d like him much better if he would stop holding the ball too long. Highly accurate, not a lot of zip, and seems to be missing that “wow” factor. First QB I’ve ever seen pulled from a winning game, so there has to be a reason for that. May improve with a better line.
Kevin Hogan: Not quite The Hulkster’s little brother. KC dropped him for a reason, but his sample size display in one game wasn’t terrible. Based on that, no way he starts. I don’t think Hue trusts him to throw…at least not yet.
Brock Osweiler: This guy, despite what you’re hearing, may end up starting the season on our roster in some way (starter or backup). Houston may have had the best defense in the league, but their O-line was suspect. At 6’7″ and 240 lbs., he definitely fits what Hue’s looking for in size. He’s also started more games than the other two combined. Not a lot of faith in it happening but, until he’s traded, don’t count him out, no matter what the media hype.
Jimmy Garropolo: Speaking of media, there’s this fucking guy. Dude plays in two games (and yes, played well), gets hurt, and MKC and Co. are ready to hand him the Lombardi trophy personally. Yes, from the looks of things, he very well might be the best option. But let’s face it- we know as much about him as Houston knew about Osweiler…and look what happened there. Not only that, but tell me the last successful QB to come out of NE who wasn’t named Tom Brady. I don’t think there’s enough there to warrant the high price Belichick is commanding…unless Hue is absolutely sure he’s worth it. I don’t think he’s sure, so I don’t see him on our roster.
Kirk Cousins: The most proven QB on this list, and one of the least likely to end up on the team. Too bad, because I think he would be a fantastic fit. He’s been tagged with a first-round tender (still hasn’t signed it, last I heard), so don’t expect much on this. We like draft picks too much (with good reason).
Tony Romo: He doesn’t want to go to a team that doesn’t have playoffs in mind this year. Not that his old, brittle ass is going to make it there, but still, logically, this would make zero sense, mainly because he’s still on the Cowboys’ roster…and that would mean a likely draft pick to drag him kicking and screaming all the way here. Not happening.
Ryan Fitzpatrick: No. No matter what way you slice it. Just…no.
Jay Cutler: If he wasn’t such an inconsistent little whiney bitch, I’d be ok with a one-year deal. No fucking way he sets foot in a Hue Jackson locker room.
Colin Kaepernick: Played surprisingly well last year on a shit team…and could have been much more accurate. Still, I don’t think he fits what we’re doing here, so I would say no. Still, if Hue sees no better option…well, let’s hope that isn’t the case.
The Big Four In The Draft: There is nothing definitive about these guys. In terms of experience, Kizer has the edge over them all. Mitch “call me Mitchell” Trubisky has the most accuracy. Watson shows up when the lights are brightest. Mahomes has super-inflated numbers…but a release like I’ve never seen. All have their strengths and weaknesses, and none of them may end up on our roster come April. Personally, I’d be ok with waiting until next draft to take a QB. That said…I’d be ok taking one as well (unless it’s first overall, because fuck that).
So, there you have it..our situation in a nutshell. Our options here look mediocre at best. And…this is far from every single option, but at the end of the day, nobody outside of Berea knows what’s coming or how we’re proceeding, but I thought maybe you fellas might have some time-killing input here.
So…what should we do?
Chase Daniel will also be talked about a lot.
Personally, I don’t see an answer outside the draft. Period. The other options are all retreads, no thanks, or Garopollo, who I’m not sold on. I think Bill isn’t either, and his whole song and dance about not trading him is just an attempt to drive up his price (just my opinion).
Nope, we need to go in the draft. Personally, is take Mitchell at #1, though I’m in the minority. My second choice would be to take Garrett and then trade up for Mitchell from 12.
I do think the odds are better today than a week ago that he makes it to 12. With Hoyer and Barkley in SF and Glennon in CHI, I think those teams will be waiting until the 2nd at least to address the QB. For some reason, Mitch just doesn’t strike me as a Jets pick. I think they’d go Watson or Kizer over Mitch, just a hunch. If the FO has the balls to go Garrett and wait for Trubitsky at 12 and he falls, I’d be thrilled. But I don’t wait any longer than 12 to pick a QB.
I’m with you on the Mitchell pick. Still, this year there’s no way he starts this season. However, if brought into the role properly, he could be a sharpshooter.
Question is, how do we do that? Our QB room isn’t exactly the most experienced. Make no mistake that this year will be much better than last year, but this position isn’t exactly inspiring confidence.
I hope we run the ball a lot.
I’m in agreement that the position needs to addressed in the draft this year. The FA market is garbage. I’m all for bringing in a vet to mentor, but not to start.
I’m also of the opinion in the 1st round. Just not at 1. There’s no way the Browns are going to pass on Garret. It’s not happening. It’s all but a done deal.
That leaves the pick at 12. Trubisky, Watson, or Mahomes will be there at 12. All of them might be, but at least 1 of them will be.
If there’s a decision to make, make it. If there’s only 1 left, well, it’s an easy decision, you just take whoever is left.
Either way, taking a QB at 12 is a necessity. A must. An it-has-to-be-done scenario.
Pft.com is reporting the Browns have interest in Geno Smith, potentially as a starter.
If this happens, I think I’d just skip Browns games and slam my head in a car door for 3 hours every Sunday.
If there’s a decision to make, make it. If there’s only 1 left, well, it’s an easy decision, you just take whoever is left.
Now, you’re Hue Jackson, all-powerful, walk-on-water, and spends his off time holed up as the hidden leader of a group of Tibetan monks in the mountains of Nepal learning the lost art of American Football. You even already have a shaved head. As said football guru, you don’t tie your job and your franchise to a guy you don’t believe in, or a guy who might come around. Now, if you feel that you can make it work with the Plan B guy, then yes, reach here and take him. If not, you take BPA and fill another need with a productive player.
I can tell you without a doubt that, of those four kids, Hue already knows who he wants at #12, or he’s at least close. Doesn’t matter how we at BFT or the media wants to over-analyze it (not looking in your direction at all DawgStyle), if the guy that he wants isn’t there at #12, there is NO WAY that they waste a pick on someone who they don’t feel has “eventual starter material” written all over them.
And make no mistake, the decision you make at #12 this year, while it may involve the whole front office…well that pick better produce. Yeah, it’d be hard to evaluate in year one, but when the guy at pick #13 is going to the Pro Bowl and the guy picked at #12 is still struggling 3 years down the road, if I’m Haslam I’m saying “well why the fuck didn’t we take that guy?”
Between last year until next year, we have 32 draft picks to manage. THIRTY-FUCKING-TWO! And that’s just for now- who knows what aces are up the sleeves of Sashi & Co.? But I can say this much…they aren’t gonna be wasting first-round picks on “might’s and maybe’s”. The beauty of their setup is that the coach is involved in the process, and if Hue feels that he can’t make it work with whatever QBs are left on the board at #12, he isn’t gonna be shackled with one. Sashi watched that happen with Farmer, Pettine, and Manziel, and knows better than to force it.
If it’s true that we’re looking at Geno Smith (dubious), then that’s a statement about the quality of QB’s in this draft. They’d rather have a guy who has thrown way more INT’s than TD’s in his lackluster career than one of these draftees.
Pft.com is reporting the Browns
Stop right there.
Just stop.
PFT.com is run and operated by Mike Florio. A Pittsburgh native and die-hard Steelers fan. Since that site came into existence there has yet to be even 1 objective, sound, logical, or even remotely positive thing ever uttered about the Browns because they pride themselves in mocking, rebuking, and destroying everything the Browns do. Everything they say and print about the Browns is heavily biased bullshit.
Literally, everything. I’m sure they have a mock draft up somewhere, take a look at it, they probably have the Browns drafting a RB at 1 and a CB at 12.
What didn’t I address?
You said sitting behind Manning was a plus.
Curtis Painter sat behind Manning. It wasn’t a plus.
You said having a ring as a back up QB was a plus. That would mean the same for any player and Mingo has a ring. So by that logic trading Mingo was dumb.
Yes, he was benched for Manning — who was in the bench for Osweiler because Manning was so bad in his final year.
The team was all defense. Just like Houston. Forget the coach of Houston. It’s not like Osweiler was Manning in his prime and a coach took him to, well, Osweiler status.
If he’s here competing we are in a world of hurt at QB week 1.
Freedom!!!
You put this in the wrong thread. Might wanna fix that.
I’ll fix your mom. (And I just realized it’s in the wrong forum. My bad)
Freedom!!!
Pft.com is reporting the Browns
Stop right there.
Just stop.
PFT.com is run and operated by Mike Florio. A Pittsburgh native and die-hard Steelers fan. Since that site came into existence there has yet to be even 1 objective, sound, logical, or even remotely positive thing ever uttered about the Browns because they pride themselves in mocking, rebuking, and destroying everything the Browns do. Everything they say and print about the Browns is heavily biased bullshit.
Literally, everything. I’m sure they have a mock draft up somewhere, take a look at it, they probably have the Browns drafting a RB at 1 and a CB at 12.Even worse, original report is actually by Ian Rappaport. I think I actually have more contacts than that guy does. He’s the Mary K Cabot of the NFL. A clueless dolt.
Freedom!!!
You put this in the wrong thread. Might wanna fix that.
I thought you had, like, moderator superpowers or some shit… 😛
I thought you had, like, moderator superpowers or some shit…
I do. And I could have fixed it, but I figured I’d just point at the mess and let Soup clean it up since he made it.
Even worse, original report is actually by Ian Rappaport.
True.
You’ll get no argument from me on Florio and the site. They flagrantly hate thebBrowns as often as possible. I only included it for arguments sake and to see if there was a Smith fan lurking in some dark corner of the Internet.
When I see somebody report something the Browns do before thy actually do it and not after, then I’ll start believing they have sources.
Now, they’re “reporting” the Browns have interest in Cousins. This has me a little interested, but I don’t think there’s anyway it happens. Plus, according to that article, Cousins doesn’t want to come to Cleveland (they took it a bit further into assholery) and if he doesn’t want to come and won’t sign a contract, that would kill a trade even if the Browns did come up with one.
Exactly…even after Cousins was quoted as saying, basically, “if it happens, it happens”. That was a month or two back, but I’m sure the proof exists in some way. I’m not hunting it down.
By the time I finish this, we’ll be in the mix for Derrick Carr and Mark Sanchez.
I’ll end this real quick, for everyone.
Kirk Cousins, nor Geno Smith, are coming to Cleveland to start for the Browns next year.
I made a sigline bet with Soup for a year about the 1st pick in the draft.
If either one of these guys is our starter at the beginning of the year, I’ll give you my fucking Facebook password and let you post as me. Forever.
If they don’t though, I get to do the same to you.
Feel free to jump out of your seat and take that bet. I’ll be here, waiting for any takers lol.
(not looking in your direction at all DawgStyle)
Yeah you were, but it’s all good. I know I’m cray cray.
On that note, am I the only one hoping and dreaming of Cousins? Not because I think he’s the best QB that’s every lived, but simply to spite Terrelle Pryor?
Yeah, it’d be hard to evaluate in year one, but when the guy at pick #13 is going to the Pro Bowl and the guy picked at #12 is still struggling 3 years down the road, if I’m Haslam I’m saying “well why the fuck didn’t we take that guy?”
Because, to Shooter’s point about Bill O’Brien, situations matter. Do you think Dak Prescott is Dak Prescott in Cleveland Last year? Does anyone think Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers could do better than 8-8 with the roster we had in 2016? There’s a reason we built up the interior line. It’s not voodoo that QBs make better decisions and throws when they’re not running for their life. Stress, and the individual’s ability to cope with it, matters.
Is Brock Osweiler the answer at QB? I certainly hope not (he looks too much like the vampire from those Two Light movies). Is there reason to believe that in Hue’s QB friendly system and our revamped line Osweiler could do better with Cleveland than he did with Houston? I think that argument could be made (that said I’d demand he restructure his contract to something similar to Griffin’s). I’m still taking a QB no later than pick #33 (and with the Saints holding pick #32 now, I’m making sure damn sure I know for a fact they don’t want “my guy” before I skip on a QB at #12).
Osweiler is an intriguing prospect. There is a reason Denver tried to keep him. He’s young, he has the physical abilities to succeed, he just doesn’t have it going on between the ears. Some coaches coach system regardless of the player, others tailor their approach to the individual. O’Brien is the former, Hue is the latter. I can’t say Brock would succeed, but I think if he can succeed, it would be under a guy like Hue that game plans to his strengths instead of insisting he become something he’s not.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0On that note, am I the only one hoping and dreaming of Cousins?
Probably.
Do you think Dak Prescott is Dak Prescott in Cleveland Last year?
Uh, he’s Spergeon Wynn.
Is Brock Osweiler the answer at QB? I certainly hope not
No, and me too.
Osweiler is an intriguing prospect. There is a reason Denver tried to keep him. He’s young, he has the physical abilities to succeed, he just doesn’t have it going on between the ears. Some coaches coach system regardless of the player, others tailor their approach to the individual. O’Brien is the former, Hue is the latter. I can’t say Brock would succeed, but I think if he can succeed, it would be under a guy like Hue that game plans to his strengths instead of insisting he become something he’s not.
Don’t talk to Soup.
He’ll probably just throw a beer at you and grunt like a caveman.
@shooter hmph. Ugh. Ugga bugga
Freedom!!!
Don’t talk to Soup.
He’ll probably just throw a beer at you and grunt like a caveman.Fuck you dude, Soup has beer!
Soup?! SOUUUUUP!!
And then there’s this tidbit. I seen a post over the past week questioning Watson’s velocity. Certainly ain’t advocating a pick at 12, but it’s been slow around here.
My work here is done.
Geno Smith is signing with the Giants. Agreed to terms. Never visited Cleveland. How does Ian Rappaport have a job?
Freedom!!!
Geno Smith is signing with the Giants. Agreed to terms. Never visited Cleveland. How does Ian Rappaport have a job?
He just got the team wrong. It’s really not that bad of a mistake. Everyone mistakes the Browns for the Giants lately.
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