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Partly because I’m bored, partly because Josh Gordon may yet save or tank another season, and partly because I like the kid. Oh, and partly because I read this and thought it was worth talking about.
I mean yeah, it might be Alex Smith Jr. buuuuuut…name the last Browns QB who was better than Alex Smith?
I came up with Derek Anderson. Admittedly, I didn’t look real hard…and it was only for a year.
Said it many times, I think Kessler has the ability to be a legit NFL starter. I also agree with drafting a guy as long as it’s not costing us to trade up. Draft needs to come to us.
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Said it many times, I think Kessler has the ability to be a legit NFL starter. I also agree with drafting a guy as long as it’s not costing us to trade up. Draft needs to come to us.
I just hope last year didn’t make him gun-shy after being concussed twice.
And I’m not 100%, but wouldn’t this be the first time since high school that he was in the same system two years concurrently? Again, I’m pleading the Ice here…too lazy to check.
Because he doesn’t have the ability to be a legit NFL starter. He can barely make half the throws, and the other half he just flat-out can’t.
Love his fight, love his accuracy, but that arm is the equivalent of swimming with a cinder block chained to your neck.
Because he doesn’t have the ability to be a legit NFL starter. He can barely make half the throws, and the other half he just flat-out can’t.
Love his fight, love his accuracy, but that arm is the equivalent of swimming with a cinder block chained to your neck.Total BS. he’s proven he can make all the throws. If you think of bringing up the Steelers game then note that Ben only threw a bunch of short passes that entire game because the wind was way too strong to be throwing down field. Only reason he even took that shot is Hue talking him into it. Remember the week leading up him saying Kessler needs to go down field more. He was the 2nd best rookie QB. Only one better was Prescott.
Dude wasn’t even supposed to sniff the field as a rookie. We can’t force a QB just because. No need to EJ Manuel this draft. If we do draft a 1st round rookie and Kessler beats him out in camp then you’ll see Kessler not lose the job.
My point overall, if we draft a guy round one he BETTER start day 1. None of this sitting bullshit so we suck 2 years in a row. You can either play or you can’t.
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My point overall, if we draft a guy round one he BETTER start day 1. None of this sitting bullshit so we suck 2 years in a row. You can either play or you can’t.
The shit that comes outta your mouth sometimes…
By this logic, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger (yes, I know he started his rookie season, but he lost the starting job to Tommy Maddox and started in week 2 when Maddox was lost to injury), Alex Smith, and Aaron Rodgers can’t play.
But you know who can?
Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Vince Carter, Matt Leinhart, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Blain Gabbert, Cam Newton, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Derek Carr.
While starting Day 1 is not necessarily a death sentence, not starting day 1 certainly does not mean you can’t play. It doesn’t mean that a QB isn’t worth a first round grade either. Situations matter.
For the record, even if we draft a QB in the first round with the #12 pick (and I think we’ll have to, as maligned as this QB class was earlier in the draft process, I think there will now be at least 4 taken in the first round – Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahomes) I’m in favor of going into 2017 with Kessler as the starter. I’m middle of the road between Soup and Shooter on this. I think he can make most throws, certainly not all, but I think he is a Tommie Maddox type placeholder as we look for our franchise QB. Kid has a ton of heart and toughness, and as been pointed out, it will be his second year in the system. He appears to have Alex Smith type potential, and I’m glad he’s on the roster at this point.
Could he be the next Drew Brees? Keeping a Phillip Rivers type on the bench for a few years and proving himself a franchise QB? I doubt it, but I’d be thrilled if that was our problem the next couple of years. But make no mistake about it, Kessler is the reason RG3 and McCown are no longer on the roster. No reason to hate on the kid.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0You miss my point. Sitting just to sit is pointless. Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre so he’s thrown out of the equation. Eli was behind Kurt Warner. Rivers sole reason he didn’t start? He held out and missed an integral part of camp and Brees didn’t let go. You do realize that’s 3 guys sitting behind HOF QBs right?
But that isn’t my point. My point is if we draft a guy in round 1 and Kessler starts the year, there’s zero logic in it. Starting year one will NOT ruin a QB. He can either play and learn from mistakes, or he can’t.bits simple. If we draft a guy in round 1 and he doesn’t play year one that means year 2 is growing pains and another failed season.
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Gun shy? His concussions were a massive result of panicking in the pocket.
I am pretty sure he has the standard brain damage of a browns qb.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
I am pretty sure he has the standard brain damage of a browns qb.
That may ne the greatest thing ever said. Anywhere.
I have stuff to add, but I’m busy now.
@shooter, that’s some of the best trolling I’ve seen in years!
The shit that comes outta your mouth sometimes…
It’s amazing what comes outta that guy sometimes ain’t it lol?
I am pretty sure he has the standard brain damage of a browns qb.
That, was fucking hilarious.
@shooter, that’s some of the best trolling I’ve seen in years!
Ice you don’t pay me all this money just to sit idly by and watch the good opportunities go without taking advantage.
My point overall, if we draft a guy round one he BETTER start day 1.
Soup, I want you to take a look up to the quote offered by the dude. You see how awesome that was?
Your quote above is the exact same. Just on the opposite end of the spectrum. That’s probably the dumbest fucking thing to say, not to mention the most short-sighted view possible.
As if this franchise hasn’t been through enough and seen it’s fair share of QB’s marched to the guillotine for the very reason you’re actually railing on in favor of. Seriously, are you stunted? How long during birth did you actually go without oxygen before someone finally stepped in and saved your life? Are you fucking kidding me? Jesus Christ man, this is why no one can every have any semblance of a rational conversation with you.
I’m pretty much in the same boat as DS with this one. I’m on record as saying the Browns HAVE to address the QB position in the draft. Not should, not could, but HAVE to address it. I stand by that. We won’t get a better opportunity unless we’re terrible again and get the 1st pick a there’s a wunderkind to draft. But if that happens, the current FO is gone and we’re screwed for years to come anyway. We HAVE to address QB.
But, I also don’t think the new guy should be handed the job. if Kessler beats him out in training camp, im fine with him starting. It’s misleading to say he “can’t make all the throws.” Obviously, there are some throws that Jay Cutler or Aaron Rodgers can make that Kessler can’t based on pure arm strength. I won’t argue.
But, Kessler can ABSOLUTLY make all the throws an NFL QB NEEDS to be able to make. He can make all the throws Andy Dalton or Alex Smith can make. He’s not Ken Dorsey or Colt McCoy, who were heaving it their hardest just to get it 2O yards. His arm is adequate, though not spectacular.
By biggest issues with Kessler are 1.) durability (some of this is the oLines fault, some is his) and 2.) the IT factor. I just haven’t seen IT yet. And, I’m not confident enough that he has IT to bypass the QB position in this draft. Regardless, I love having him as a backup, and I’m not discounting him from the starting role just yet.
I’m not saying we should bypass it. I’m saying we shouldn’t reach just because nor should we mortgage our future on it. If the draft comes to us and Trubitsky is there at 12 and they feel he’s the guy, you take him. However you don’t trade from 12 to 7 to get him.
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I’m not saying we should bypass it. I’m saying we shouldn’t reach just because nor should we mortgage our future on it. If the draft comes to us and Trubitsky is there at 12 and they feel he’s the guy, you take him. However you don’t trade from 12 to 7 to get him.
Hear hear. After we went 1-15, we have absolutely no business trading up. If their guy happens to be a QB at 12, take him. If it isn’t, don’t waste the pick on someone you know isn’t gonna fit. And let’s face it…nobody in this draft is likely a plug and play kind of player, no matter all the media attention given. It wouldn’t hurt my feelings one bit if we picked a Day 1 starter that isn’t a QB at 12. That’s no knock to Trubisky or Watson…fuck, they may end up doing great elsewhere (and out would come the pitchforks and torches…see: Carson Wentz), but really, how much of a fit could be thrown if that pick lands us Jamal Adams? Or Malik Hooker? Or even OJ Howard? I would be just fine with any of those, because they both fill a position of need, and does so with a highly-skilled player.
And I’m with you on an earlier post you made, Soup…if we can snatch up Chad Kelly’s punk ass with a late-round pick, I would be perfectly fine with that…and if he went on to lead us to the playoffs, I’d be elated. At the same time, on his very first fuck-up, he’d be fired…out of a cannon and into the sun.
FYI Kessler had a better rookie year than Wentz. Wentz was awful. Turn and throw 5 yards behind the Los every throw. Just putrid. We dodged a major bullet
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I don’t disagree that we dodged a bullet with Wentz, but I’m not going to compare him to Kessler to prove that point.
Kessler is a backup QB. Perhaps some day he can be more, but it’s not 2017 (except on the Browns, where the 3rd string QB gets more starts than the opening day starter).
Kessler is a backup QB. Perhaps some day he can be more, but it’s not 2017 (except on the Browns, where the 3rd string QB gets more starts than the opening day starter).
Ok, the man spent 40% or more of the time running for his life, hardly anyone else making plays, and not to mention that he started the season as a third-string QB, and on any other team, wouldn’t have even been allowed near the Gatorade cooler. Peyton Manning would have failed under those circumstances. And yet he’s being written off as, at best, a second stringer.
The dude was expected to build a Harley with a roll of dental floss, some sugar and a wrench. And he built a scooter. Maybe, if given the right tools, he can succeed.
Or maybe he’s just a second stringer. But like it or not, odds are that he’s starting the season. What’s more, he’s probably our best option.
Everyone but me is sold on Gregg Williams being some defensive genius. If we go round 1 all defense then starting Kessler is the best option by far as long as we finally decide to run the fucking ball. Why? If everyone else is right about Williams then we have a QB who can manage the game well with minimal turnovers. Less turnovers, ball control offense and great defense will win games. That said, I see Williams hire as a huge mistake. Hopefully I’m wrong.
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Everyone but me is sold on Gregg Williams being some defensive genius. If we go round 1 all defense then starting Kessler is the best option by far as long as we finally decide to run the fucking ball. Why? If everyone else is right about Williams then we have a QB who can manage the game well with minimal turnovers. Less turnovers, ball control offense and great defense will win games. That said, I see Williams hire as a huge mistake. Hopefully I’m wrong.
I believe I was shouting down the switch just as much as you were, based on the fact that we’re switching to a different scheme AGAIN and Williams is overrated.
That said, if we go defense at 12, you can’t expect a rookie at 33 or later to come in and take the starting job. It’s just unrealistic. Especially with Coleman and Britt as the top 2 WRs. Don’t get me wrong, I like them. But I’d feel a lot more comfortable if they were #2 and #3 instead of #1 and #2.
In fact, if Adams and Hooker are gone (and they will be), and we for some completely ridiculous reason decide not to go QB at 12, it better be Mike Williams or Corey Davis. I like OJ Howard, but he’s not worth it at twelve, to me. If we went defense in that scenario, I’d go ballistic.
Everyone but me is sold on Gregg Williams being some defensive genius. If we go round 1 all defense then starting Kessler is the best option by far as long as we finally decide to run the fucking ball. Why? If everyone else is right about Williams then we have a QB who can manage the game well with minimal turnovers. Less turnovers, ball control offense and great defense will win games. That said, I see Williams hire as a huge mistake. Hopefully I’m wrong.
I think it’s ridiculous to say which QB should start for the Browns this season right now. Clearly the starter is not currently on the roster and we have no idea who they’ll be adding. If you’re just going by the guys currently on the roster then Kessler and Osweiler can battle it out and whoever is better can start. But we’re not done with the QB position.
Just to be clear, I like the Williams hire, yet at the same time I’m with you guys…the continuity seems to be lacking.
But that’s the game you gotta play as a coach. I’m convinced that Hue gave Horton his shot, and throughout the season found something he didn’t like seeing, or found Horton lacking in certain areas. I don’t believe that he was fired to make room for Williams.
Even still, I think the right decision was made to get it corrected now. I mean, if we stuck with Horton for 3 years and we ranked no higher than, say, 15th in some defensive stat, then it would mean that we would have stayed mired in mediocrity for no reason, because he’s gonna be fired anyways. Granted, it wasn’t all Horton’s fault, and I don’t think it was a case of pointing fingers. Hell, it may well have been because Hue had no other options last season but to hire him. So he gives him a shot, Horton doesn’t deliver, and he’s shown the door.
But, who knows? Williams may end up with similar treatment, though judging by his past gigs, I think we’ll be fine.
And I want to thank Soup for helping me get off-topic in my own thread. Fucker.
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