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Kessler 5-10. Yuck
But hey Kizer is 3 for 4!!!! For 11 yards. Is less Tha 3 YPA good?
So glad I made the choice to go see Van Morrison and Willie Nelson Sunday September 10. That’s going to be one ugly game.
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Here’s the first big pass…
…and the game winner.
Dude doesn’t look bad at all.
All in all I think Kizer will be bumped up to second string pretty soon, brock looked just so so and cody looked like what he is a carrier back up
The biggest thing to me is they need to stop with the 3-way race. Eliminate Osweiler or Kessler (preferably Osweiler, he is who we thought he was), and go from there. It’s bad enough splitting reps 2 ways, but 3 ways is just not feasible.
Kiser looked ok. He had the two long bombs, and a real nice one where the mullaney hit the brakes on the defender and the ball was there immediately. However, I’ll hold off on anointing him until he does it with and against actual NFL players.
The biggest thing to me is they need to stop with the 3-way race. Eliminate Osweiler or Kessler (preferably Osweiler, he is who we thought he was), and go from there. It’s bad enough splitting reps 2 ways, but 3 ways is just not feasible.
Kiser looked ok. He had the two long bombs, and a real nice one where the mullaney hit the brakes on the defender and the ball was there immediately. However, I’ll hold off on anointing him until he does it with and against actual NFL players.This is close to where I’m at. In Brock’s defense, Britt fucked him out of a touchdown by not getting his feet inbounds, and Cam Erving (who needs to be shipped to Canada ASAP) fucked up another decent drive. Jury is kind of still out on him, due to what seemed miscommunication on a couple plays. Others…he just plainly overthrew. I honestly would like to see more, and if he’s truly trade bait, we need to get those numbers padded.
Kessler had a couple nice throws, but he was largely ineffective. He was playing behind the backup line (which seemed a bunch of little Ervings) and he does seem improved, but he’ll never be great.
Kizer did pretty good for a rookie debut. He’s certainly got a few kinks to work out (a couple stare-downs, holding the ball too long, etc.),but on a couple of those sacks he took, he was actually (slowly) going through his progressions, and then to go from a 3rd and 24 to a clutch touchdown…that’s a winning mentality, and exactly what this team needs moving forward. I was initially against this pick, but I’ve come around. With the right coaching (which he seems to be getting), he’s going to be a good QB.
I watched the highlights – I believe I saw every Kizer throw as part of it (not every dropback as I only saw 1 coverage sack. I believe every throw because they showed incompletes).
A couple things impressed me.
1. His pocket awareness and way he stayed in the pocket waas highly impressive.
2. His accuracy (though erratic at times like any QB) was much better than anticipated. While yes, the guy was wide open on the 4th and 2 TD, he put the ball dead on in stride (not a Derek Anderson special where the guy has to dive 53 yards to catch the ball).
I know he went against grocery baggers but seeing what I saw there says to me he should be bumped up to #1.
Osweiler sucks. We all knew that going into the season.
I only saw 1 Kessler pass and it was a beauty. Down the seam. So why am I not holding out until I see his performance in full? Because if that’s your only highlight it means you sucked and woeren’t consistent. I expected that routinely from him in year 2.
Why do we need a starter named NOW? Because I’m sick and tired of no rhythm at all. that gives 3 pre-season games to get a rhythym and prepare for week 1.
No, no one stole my account, from yesterday and the small amount I saw Kizer actually impressed me.
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Kizer did the most with the opportunity he was given. Still, getting a look at what you have is what preseason is all about. At the least, I believe that Kizer should get a shot with the first team and see what he does with it. Though we didn’t run the ball a ton…but I expected that, given our QB situation.
But enough about the QBs…let’s talk about the other side of the ball.
First, the bad. Tank Carder needs to be exclusive to special teams…he should have been beaten for an easy touchdown, and was generally ineffective as the starter. Desmond Bryant seemed to be getting pushed around, and Danny Shelton was getting a lot of double and triple teams (and got knocked on his ass for one or two plays). But it certainly wasn’t all bad…
Myles Garrett is a special talent. For the short time he played, it seemed like he had an effect on every play of the game. No sacks, but if last night was any indication, those will be coming in double-digit fashion. Nate Orchard, who seemed like a bubble player, stepped it up in a major way, and it certainly looks like we’ll be seeing him on the roster. Trevon Coley (who?), who I guess has had an excellent camp, had a strip sack for a turnover. Boddy-Calhoun played like a fucking safety and seemed to be wherever the ball was, and made one hell of a goal-line stand. And most importantly, Gregg Williams has these guys playing with some serious attitude. They were making stops, they were causing headaches, and they actually looked really good as a whole.
We might actually have something here.
Defense is never worth getting excited about in preseason. There’s no game planning on offense.
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Defense is never worth getting excited about in preseason. There’s no game planning on offense.
Says you. Compared to the deflated tire-looking defense we fielded last year, these guys came to play…and they did.
OBR has a decent assessment of the game, if you’re interested in a deeper look.
Defense is never worth getting excited about in preseason. There’s no game planning on offense.
Says you. Compared to the deflated tire-looking defense we fielded last year, these guys came to play…and they did.
OBR has a decent assessment of the game, if you’re interested in a deeper look.For this year to last year:
Garrett is new
Orchard went on IR game 2 last year
Calhoun was the most improved player throughout the year on defense.
Coley is newSo Horton drastically improved Calhoun over the year.
Horton didn’t have the other three guys on the team you pointed out (Orchard playing a single game doesn’t count under Horton)
So the talent improved. We knew that.
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Let me go on record to say that Gregg Williams is a huge improvement over Horton. No changing my way of thinking there, Soup.
Plus, even the guys that weren’t making plays on the ball were in position (for the most part). That’s heads and shoulders above what I saw last year. They aren’t over-thinking. That goal-line stand was a thing of beauty…if Boddy misses, someone else makes that stop, I guarantee it.
Seriously, watch the game (if possible). You’ll see what I mean.
The defense blows. I’m a little into Q2. They let up 47 yards rushing in the first quarter against a 2nd string back with a second string QB. The only thing that kept it 3-0 was a dropped pass by an uncovered Tedd Ginn. That was putrid.
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So , at about 12 minutes left in the game n the 4th freaking NFLN cut in and did a huge story on crackheads suspension. Here’s my take until then.
Defense blows against the run. And the secondary blows as we knew it would.
Kessler vastly improved arm strength and down field throwing. In turn his shorter game turned to pure inaccurate trash. He was abysmal except 2 throws of which 1 was dropped. Even still, garbage overall.
Kizer (having seen his throws on highlights of all the throws overall) impressed me the most on the team overall (of youth). Followed by Dayes and Louis and Colely.
Osweiler is just plain terrible.
Today I saw Hue isn’t changing the rotation. Be ready for another really long and awful season.
Finally, refs were prepping their new ways to screw the Browns. Coley flies through the line and meets the RB at the same time the QB does and tackles him. QB fake and Colely gets called for holding. These refs are attempting their rigging skills early.you are allowed to tackle a player who the ball was faked to. It’s never been and never will be a penalty.
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Horton
Where’s Ray Horton at right now?
I’ll wait.So 47 yards rushing in Q1 against a 2nd string RB and QB with 2 1st round picks in the roster is a big improvement?
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I’m clearly not going to convince you of the nearly universally agreed upon thought that Greg Williams is an upgrade over Ray Horton, nor am I going to take the time and effort to argue with you over it continually (that’s probably a lie, more than likely I will because I love proving you wrong) so I’m just going to leave you with this.
I’m going to take the side of the Superbowl winning, multiple top-10 defense producing defensive coordinator over the guy who was fired and is currently out of the league. And frankly, if it wasn’t for Dick Lebeau who worked with and hired Horton in 15 of his 23 years in coaching, he’d never have ascended to anything higher than a defensive backs coach. Ray Horton was a fine player, and a fine defensive backs coach I’m sure, and clearly he knows more about football and defense than I ever will, but he sucked as a defensive coordinator. Like, really bad.
Is Greg Williams bound for Canton? Uh, no. Nor am I saying that he should be. He’s had some stinker seasons mixed in there. But if we’re comparing resumes and results, it’s not even a close argument. For fucks sakes he even made it to head coach (granted, a short and uneventful stint that led to his firing, but nonetheless a position that Ray Horton never, ever, ever had a chance of attaining).
Think of them both like work trucks, and you just found yourself in the market for one.
Ray Horton is a 2001 Dodge Dakota with a gas guzzling v6 that has 294,000 miles on it with a rusted out tailgate, shitty breaks and a transmission that you know for a fact might not make it until next Tuesday.
Greg Williams is a 2010 1-owner Ford F150 crew cab with 90,000 miles on it’s beefy V8, a detailed list of all regularly scheduled maintenance checks and oil changes, and has brand new tires and a bedliner.
You can afford both.
But you’re the asshole standing in the dealer lot staring at the Dodge trying to make the point that if it was taken care of just as well as the Ford and been given an honest run under the same circumstances that both trucks would have performed the same and that the Ford doesn’t really have an advantage over the Dodge if you really think about it, not to mention the Dodge is blue which your favorite color and the Ford is white, and you hate white cars. It’s at this moment that you turn and realize that the salesman has actually walked away and gone back into the showroom, having given up on whether or not you actually buy anything, because he now knows that you are completely fucking insane and it’s just not worth his time.
I just happen to be the guy that went with you while you were looking for a truck, and I’m sipping my Red Bull while I marvel at your neuroses and point them out to you. Thoroughly enjoying myself and the spectacle of what’s transpired.
In your rambling you missed my entire point.
1. I was told the defense improved and I’d be impressed. 47 yards in Q1 by a 2nd string rookie RB against our starting D. That’s not improvement.
2. The players he was impressed with, 3/4 of them didn’t play under Horton. The other one was raw under Horton when he got here. In fact, he was terrible. As the season progressed he showed vast improvement. In fact, we said it last year, he was the most progressed player on the team. In year two of his career he should take a leap.
3. Williams has a brand new Chevy truck. A pristine 2017. Horton was given a Yugo and fans expected it to haul 100 ton load.
My post wasn’t about Horton vs Williams. It was about the fact I was told it improved and was told about 4 players that stood out. Where was I wrong in that specific response? Is 47 yards rushing allowed in Q1 an improvement?
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In your rambling you missed my entire point.
1. I was told the defense improved and I’d be impressed. 47 yards in Q1 by a 2nd string rookie RB against our starting D. That’s not improvement.
2. The players he was impressed with, 3/4 of them didn’t play under Horton. The other one was raw under Horton when he got here. In fact, he was terrible. As the season progressed he showed vast improvement. In fact, we said it last year, he was the most progressed player on the team. In year two of his career he should take a leap.
3. Williams has a brand new Chevy truck. A pristine 2017. Horton was given a Yugo and fans expected it to haul 100 ton load.
My post wasn’t about Horton vs Williams. It was about the fact I was told it improved and was told about 4 players that stood out. Where was I wrong in that specific response? Is 47 yards rushing allowed in Q1 an improvement?Two guys blew assignments two separate times: Shelton and Carder. Those runs happened because of Shelton getting triple-teamed and knocked on his ass, and Carder looked absolutely lost. Yes, the safety help should have been there and wasn’t…but to lay blame on the entire defense for those two guys in the very first outing, against a head coach who knows a Williams defense probably better than anyone, and THEN to say that our entire season should be based on said preseason game, is a completely unfair assessment.
In fact, I’d be willing to make a sig bet with ya there Soup. Our defense will be in the upper half of the NFL by seasons’ end. And when you lose, you can just attach it after Shooter’s sig, right up until his expiration date. Then you get to keep wearing mine until the end of the 2018-19 season.
And I’m not usually so confident in the unknown. That’s how improved I think we’ll be…at least top 16.
Now your making excuses. All big plays are blown assignments by someone. Not all 11. My point stands. 47 yards rushing in Q1 isn’t an improvement. We will see how they progress, but I was extremely unimpressed. Collins and Colely to me stood out on D. No one else did in my eyes.
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You understand you’re basing your argument on the 1st quarter of the 1st preseason game?
How can you rail on about the defense not improving this season from last season when this season hasn’t even started yet?
You understand you’re basing your argument on the 1st quarter of the 1st preseason game?
How can you rail on about the defense not improving this season from last season when this season hasn’t even started yet?I’m actually gonna jump in on Soups side on this one. I’m not making any judgments about the upcoming season yet, but I’m far from sold on Williams. I really don’t care about Williams resume, hes obviously not perfect otherwise he wouldn’t have been available.
All I care about is seeing serious improvement. I’m not buying that Williams will have a better defense just because he’s different, and that’s essentially what the Browns have been selling since they hired him. I hope he is successful, but I’ll believe it when I see it and not before just because of some hype.
It’s funny that Tank Carders name came up as struggling. Funny, because Carder is only playing because we got rid of Demario Davis because he’s a 3-4 guy and would’ve been out of position in a 4-3, which we’re only running because we switched DCs again. Cycling through systems and players has been a constant for the Browns for 2 decades, and we did it again when we switched to Williams. That’s the whole reason for skeptism and negativity. It’s more of the same. Hopefully Williams can break the cycle, because if he’s not fielding a top 10 D this or next year, we’ll be bringing in a 3-4 guy and shipping out the Jabaal Sheards on the team, wash rinse and repeat.
You understand you’re basing your argument on the 1st quarter of the 1st preseason game?
How can you rail on about the defense not improving this season from last season when this season hasn’t even started yet?I’m actually gonna jump in on Soups side on this one. I’m not making any judgments about the upcoming season yet, but I’m far from sold on Williams. I really don’t care about Williams resume, hes obviously not perfect otherwise he wouldn’t have been available.
All I care about is seeing serious improvement. I’m not buying that Williams will have a better defense just because he’s different, and that’s essentially what the Browns have been selling since they hired him. I hope he is successful, but I’ll believe it when I see it and not before just because of some hype.
It’s funny that Tank Carders name came up as struggling. Funny, because Carder is only playing because we got rid of Demario Davis because he’s a 3-4 guy and would’ve been out of position in a 4-3, which we’re only running because we switched DCs again. Cycling through systems and players has been a constant for the Browns for 2 decades, and we did it again when we switched to Williams. That’s the whole reason for skeptism and negativity. It’s more of the same. Hopefully Williams can break the cycle, because if he’s not fielding a top 10 D this or next year, we’ll be bringing in a 3-4 guy and shipping out the Jabaal Sheards on the team, wash rinse and repeat.Summed up perfectly.
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No one wants to talk about defensive players? Myles?
DPD and I were live chatting the game and Orchard was absolutely killing it. Yes, he’s playing against 2nd string offenses but he was everywhere. People had him not even making the team.
Also if LEGATRON isn’t our kicker I’m gonna shit myself. The guy is kicking field goals on kickoffs. He’s putting it in the stands.
LEGATRON.
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