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There’s no doubt this is the time of the year that QB’s start rocketing up draft boards, warranted or not. That said from all that I’ve been reading as well, it’s starting to sound more and more like the Mahomes hype falls into the former.
Maybe the Browns get lucky, and all the QB needy teams all snatch up Kizer/Watson/Trubisky in the 1st, leaving Mahomes available in the 2nd, where we have the 1st pick.
I’d shit glitter and rainbows all year if the Browns got Garret, the best safety available, and a franchise QB with their 1st 3 picks in the draft.
Cheers to being ahead of the curve on this guy!
If this guy ends up in the top half of the 1st round then you will indeed have been prescient on the issue DS. Especially since you’re just rating him as a physical candidate and not commenting on what’s between his ears.
I just looked at a very, very well done breakdown of him. Check it out for yourselves.
Totally could see him going at #12.
the guy has 1st round physical ability no question//so did RG3 and Brandon Weeden and other Air Raid offence alums.
As of yet no Air raid Allum has being able to over come the hurdle that is their college football experiance counting for NOTHING in their attempt to transition to the NFL.
To me one of the BIGGER predictors of success at the NFL for rookie QB’s is how much of what they did in their college career actually transfers to the NFL game.
Being there are versions of the Air Raid that can be installed in 2 days top the bottom this sets up guys like Mahomes for culture shock when they see the phone book that is NFL Offences. It’s like going from a basic math work sheet to a calc text book. The difference in complexity level is literally mind boggling.
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The main question is simply this- can he learn to put those physical skills to use in the NFL? Dude has an amazing arm and release. And yeah, he would have plenty to learn, but the best part about him is is that he knows it.
What I love above all else is his willingness to be coached up…if we did draft him, he ideally wouldn’t see the field for at least a year, maybe even two. He knows that the system he was in isn’t ideal for the NFL, and is fine with not starting immediately.
Under those circumstances, you would get no argument from me if he ended up on this team…unless it costs us Garret at #1. If we’re in this to develop a core team for the long haul, this is exactly the kind of player we want. The more of him I see, the more I hope he’s in training camp this year.
As of yet no Air raid Allum has being able to over come the hurdle that is their college football experiance counting for NOTHING in their attempt to transition to the NFL.
They were saying the same thing about the spread less than a decade ago. The focus used to be on developing QBs for the NFL. College football took off, and winning National Championships became the priority. As such, the use of the Spread and Air Raid is on the rise. Teams that employ Spread/Air Raid concepts are able to recruit top talent that just a decade ago would have only gone to schools who utilized pro concepts. There’s no denying the history of failure from these “system quarterbacks”, but the landscape has changed. Comparing the Air Raid QBs of a decade ago to the current class isn’t an apples to apples comparison.
To me one of the BIGGER predictors of success at the NFL for rookie QB’s is how much of what they did in their college career actually transfers to the NFL game.
From the article DPD linked:
His ability to read the defense and manipulate safeties is an under-rated part of his game. I feel it’s one of his best strengths that doesn’t have to do with his arm. What I often see from him is quick decisions on throws to all levels of the field because he has identified where he needs to go with the ball before the snap. This is more than just a reflection of the “hot read”, it’s a reflection of his ability to process the game quickly and read the defense. The college game doesn’t move too fast for him, regardless of the opponent, and if what I’ve read and been told about his attitude and desire to be great are indeed true, this young man has a chance to be special.
Being there are versions of the Air Raid that can be installed in 2 days top the bottom this sets up guys like Mahomes for culture shock when they see the phone book that is NFL Offences. It’s like going from a basic math work sheet to a calc text book. The difference in complexity level is literally mind boggling.
In fact, Mahomes left college to begin training in Carlsbad, CA w/ former NFL OC and QB coach Mike Sheppard at EXOS. I’m really looking forward to seeing what sort of progress he’s made at the Combine. I suspect his stock is only going to continue to rise. Early rumors are that he’s a sponge and is having no difficulty at all digesting pro concepts (drawing comparisons to Dak Prescott).
Also, unlike Weeden, Manziel and Griffin III, Mahomes is not throwing to future NFL WRs like Justin Blackmon, Josh Gordon, Kendall Wright or Mike Evans. When you watch the highlight reels, Mahomes is making the great throws far more often than the receiver is making a great catch, and that’s a critical distinction.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0it is good he is going to a QB school to pro fundamentals. but thats a LONG way from being comfortable enough to run a pro offence from the line complete with audibles.
Mahomes seems the BEST of the air raid bunch so far….but that was said of Goff last year to and look how his rookie season went…basically the worst EVER for a rookie QB.
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it is good he is going to a QB school to pro fundamentals. but thats a LONG way from being comfortable enough to run a pro offence from the line complete with audibles.
That’s true of every rookie QB, air raid/spread or not. Look at Connor Cook’s performance in the playoffs. 14 of 21 for 1 TD, 1 INT and 2 fumbles.
Mahomes seems the BEST of the air raid bunch so far….but that was said of Goff last year to and look how his rookie season went…basically the worst EVER for a rookie QB.
Goff 63.6 QBR wasn’t good, but he wasn’t anywhere near historically bad either. I’m serious here, look at the rookie seasons for:
Player – QBR
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Oliver Luck (Andrew’s Dad) – 63.4
Mark Sanchez – 63.0
Quincy Carter – 63.0
David Carr – 62.8
Kyle Boller – 62.4
Kerry Collins – 61.9
Matthew Stafford – 61.0
Steve Walsh – 60.5
Vinny Testaverde – 60.2
Donovan McNabb – 60.1
Joey Harrington – 59.9
Josh Freeman – 59.8
Jimmy CLausen – 58.4
Troy Aikman – 55.7
Eli Manning – 55.4
John Elway – 54.9
Alex Smith – 40.8
Ryan Leaf – 39.0I guess my point is, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. The original point remains, Air Raid QBs are getting better. Spread QBs too. I think it can be argued that Goff performed better than Connor COok (though Cook’s sample size is too small) in terms of game readiness. Dak Prescott certainly outperformed Carson Wentz. My point is that things are changing, and if you hang on to the old ways too long, your thinking will be obsolete. I’ll grant you, Air Raid QBs have been bad for a long time. So long in fact that I still believe that it is prudent to take a pro style QB over a Spread/Air Raid QB if all other things are equal. That’s the thing with Mahomes though, all other things aren’t equal. Quick release, tight spiral, cannon for an arm, ability to move the safeties with his eyes (not normally something you see from the average one read air raid QB), and the ability to make multiple reads put him ahead of other candidates like Watson, Kizer and Trubisky in my opinion.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0The original point remains, Air Raid QBs are getting better. Spread QBs too.
I won’t argue that, but they do still really fucking suck though.
I mean let’s be honest here, you’re arguing with me that I’m nuts for wanting Jimmy G, and your best argument to me in NOT doing so is because there’s a guy available in the draft that’s coming out of college just like him minus the 3 years of study in an NFL system.
And let’s not split hairs here, call it what you will, but Tom Brady was in fact in those rooms that he studied in.
You need to understand that. Everything that you’re saying about Mahomes, is what everyone was saying about Garrapolo. The only difference between the two, is that now Garappolo has spent 3 years on the bench learning. Which, I’m pretty sure, you’re saying Mahomes needs to do.
So, if that’s the case, why the fuck should e draft Mahomes when we can just go get Garrapolo right now and skip the entire process?
The original point remains, Air Raid QBs are getting better. Spread QBs too.
I won’t argue that, but they do still really fucking suck though.
I mean let’s be honest here, you’re arguing with me that I’m nuts for wanting Jimmy G, and your best argument to me in NOT doing so is because there’s a guy available in the draft that’s coming out of college just like him minus the 3 years of study in an NFL system.
And let’s not split hairs here, call it what you will, but Tom Brady was in fact in those rooms that he studied in.
You need to understand that. Everything that you’re saying about Mahomes, is what everyone was saying about Garrapolo. The only difference between the two, is that now Garappolo has spent 3 years on the bench learning. Which, I’m pretty sure, you’re saying Mahomes needs to do.
So, if that’s the case, why the fuck should e draft Mahomes when we can just go get Garrapolo right now and skip the entire process?Dead on points about JG…..but those SAME points also apply to: Cassel Hoyer and Mallet…..sooooo…..
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I mean let’s be honest here, you’re arguing with me that I’m nuts for wanting Jimmy G, and your best argument to me in NOT doing so is because there’s a guy available in the draft that’s coming out of college just like him minus the 3 years of study in an NFL system.
So first thing is I don’t think you’re nuts for wanting Jimmy G. He seems like a serviceable QB that could win the starting job day 1 (let’s be absolutely clear on how unimpressive that actually is though). It’s not Mahomes that I think is similar to Garoppolo, but rather Kessler. Undersized, questionable arm strength, timing passer, etc.
And let’s not split hairs here, call it what you will, but Tom Brady was in fact in those rooms that he studied in.
You need to understand that. Everything that you’re saying about Mahomes, is what everyone was saying about Garrapolo. The only difference between the two, is that now Garappolo has spent 3 years on the bench learning. Which, I’m pretty sure, you’re saying Mahomes needs to do.
On the contrary, from their physical size to their arm strength, Garopollo and Mahomes are two very different QBs with vastly different skill sets and approaches to the game. The scouting reports on both players read entirely differently, and I’m not sure what would make you think otherwise (and I’d welcome the citation of sources to the contrary). While I’m sure there are certain tips and tricks that can be picked up from being in the same room with Tom Brady (How to deflate balls when no one is looking, tips for dating a super model, etc.), ultimately it is the player that determines their success, not who they were mentored by. You could hang out with a Super Model. She might teach you how to apply make up. She might show you her work out routine. But you’re not any prettier from simply learning these things from her. So it is with Brady’s back ups. There’s a long list of failures from the Tom Brady school of quarterbacking when compared to a QB Brett Favre who had Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Rodgers as understudies. Why anyone values New England’s back ups after Cassell, Mallett and Hoyer is beyond me (the only one worth a shit is Hoyer who was long on work ethic and short on talent).
So, if that’s the case, why the fuck should e draft Mahomes when we can just go get Garrapolo right now and skip the entire process?
Even if the process were the same, my argument is that the end result would be much different. Mahomes is an Academic All American. His biggest games were against the best opponents in his conference and he displayed the ability to take over a game (seriously, when did Jimmy G. put up anywhere close to 734 yards and 5 TD through the air with another 85 yards and 2 TDs on the ground?). My issue with Jimmy G and his 3 years and 2 starts is that you still have no idea what you’re getting with him. I saw nothing in those two games that eased my concerns about his inability to accurately deliver the long ball with consistency. In fact, his misses were so far off, that any fears about arm stength that might have been mitigated were negated by the accuracy issues.
So, down to brass tacks, because my unwillingness to commit to the kid completely before the combine is apparently causing some confusion. I think this kid has the physical and mental tools to be a Hall of Famer. No beating around the bush. He is an gamer that is exceptionally intelligent and has physical gifts that come around a few times in a generation. If it’s him or Jimmy G., I take him and it’s not even close. Jimmy G. is a Hoyer. I believe Mahomes is a Favre/Rodgers caliber of QB. Originally, because no one had heard of this guy, I was hoping that he might slip to us in the second. It would have been the coup of the draft. Garrett, a stud safety, and Mahomes. What a draft. But writers and analysts are watching the same film I did. They are seeing what I saw. The Washington Post is mocking him at #3 to the Bears. Not bad for a guy no one had heard of when I started talking about him.
I think he’s going to blow up the combine. I think his footwork and accuracy are going to be greatly improved (this kid went all in by leaving school and heading out to EXOS) and his football I.Q. is going to be impressive because he’s immersed himself in the game. Mahomes isn’t going to be in the discussion at #12, he’s going to be in the discussion at number 1. And while I hedged my bets on him when I wrote my original post because there were so many questions, everything this kid has shown us since confirms what I already believed: Mahomes is going to be a Superstar.
Still, the NFL is fickle and sentiment rules the draft. Look at all the great QBs that weren’t picked #1 overall. My opinion is this; if he does what I think he will do at the combine, we should take him at number 1. Garrett won’t play past his rookie contract in Cleveland (and if you think he will you’re nuts) and nothing will change the face of this franchise quicker than a QB. Could I see Mahomes experiencing the same kind of slide as Carr? You betcha. And for that reason I keep my pulse on the draft and if I think I can take him later, I’m not against rolling the dice to try to have my cake and eat it too.
But…
If Mahomes blows up the combine, you take him #1 overall. After you take him, you get him some weapons and you build him a line early (this is a deep draft for defense and you will be able to improve our roster in the later rounds). We have the ammo to take three picks in the first round this year, and I would love to see us go Mahomes, WRs Mike Williams or Corey Davis and TEs David Njoku or O.J. Howard with three first round picks. The next 3 picks bolster the line, then I turn my focus to high risk, high reward defensive players and trust Greg Williams to make sure they walk the straight and narrow.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but my belief in Mahomes is that strong. There will be an Air Raid QB that breaks the mold. I believe he’ll be the one to do it. We’re not talking about a studious underweight blue collar kid with an okay arm (Jared Goff) and decent production. We’re talking about a monster armed Academic All American who put up video game numbers against the best teams in his division while playing behind a broken down offensive line, with no run game, and questionable receiving talent.
So there it is. I get you may not agree, but I hope you realize I am less “against Jimmy G.” and more “in favor of Pat Mahomes”.
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