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On a scale of 1 to Superbowl, how much confidence does the Hue Jackson signing give you about the Browns' future?
- 1 - Throwing a good coach on a dumpster fire just burns his career (0%, 0 Votes)
- 2 - The Browns will find a creative way to mess this up (33%, 3 Votes)
- 3 - Maybe in 3 years we'll be mediocre, which is a substantial improvement (22%, 2 Votes)
- 4 - It won't take long for the right leadership to make the Browns into a solid playoff team (44%, 4 Votes)
- 5 - Superbowl. And unicorns. (0%, 0 Votes)
Total Voters: 9
Loading ...I’m always optimistic…but being that we are in completely uncharted waters in terms of the new approach that we are taking (and one that seems to be frowned upon by 31 other teams), I have absolutely no idea what to possibly predict here. Especially with the possible players that may or may not be here next season.
It’s going to make or break this team. I will say that the more conventional approach hasn’t worked, so at the very least, at least Haslam is showing one thing- he wants to win…even if that’s only to put more money in his pocket.
So…I’m not voting. Yet. It’s simply too early for me.
If you go to Clevedbrowns.com and look at the full Hue Jackson press conference. There is a part where one of the media members asked Haslam about something he had done. Where he basically went around to all the successful sports franchises out of football (because NFL teams don’t like to share with competition) and looked at what made them successful. To me Haslam’s willingness to grow and learn as an owner coupled with the staff he is putting under him all point to good things so far.
Also I think the hiring of Jackson is a DIRECT result of all that Haslam had previously done/learned that I just referenced.
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Tree wrote this on another forum, I found it to be well written and worth reposting. If you want me to link the other forum just let me know. I am not trying to credit for anything that follows though to clear.
How The Browns Set Themselves Up For Offseason Success
Everyone is happy with the hiring of Hue Jackson. Hue didn’t just walk in the door and just sign on the dotted line.
A lot had to happen in the background to get him here. It all began imo with Haslam’s tour of successful sports franchises.
To my knowledge, I have never heard of an owner of a professional sports franchise doing such a thing. To me it shows two things……Haslam’s humility and realization that although he is a successful businessman that he does not know everything he needs to know to be a successful NFL owner.
It also shows his committment to winning, and building a world class operation in the front office. Haslam toured successful MLB franchizes, NBA franchizes, and did so primarily because in his words (paraphrased), THE NFL IS VERY COMPETITIVE, and an NFL franchise is just not going to share their secrets to organization success or give away organizational secrets and philosophy.
It was Haslam’s willingness to learn, commitment to winnning and building a world class organization, and his humility and wisdom to seek answers from people with much more experience than himself that brought us Hue Jackson.
But like I said Hue just didn’t show up and sign on the dotted line. After Haslam’s tour, a name kept coming up repeatedly when the people he met with discussed what it took to be successful. That name was Paul DePodesta. DePodesta is one of the most respected men in professional sports. He didn’t inherit his reputation. He wasn’t part of the good ole boy network. He worked at it, he built things, he was both effective and efficient, and he used all his faculties to truly analyze an organization’s strength’s and weaknesses, threw out things that did not work completely and install systems that did work based on results, not intuition.
DePodesta though is never hired by The Browns if not for Haslam’s tour. It was on his tour that he realized the type of operation he wanted to run, and it was on his tour that he began to have a greater appreciation for someone like Sashi Brown who also has an affinity for results based practices and decision making. DePodesta also does not happen if we do not have Sashi Brown, and if Haslam does not put him in the current position he is in.
Incidentally this tour that Haslam went on also caused him to realize something else. Though his “gut” told him to probably stick it out with Pettine & Ray Farmer, the bottom line results of their tenure here dictated that he part ways with both of them. So he did, and he moved forward with his vision, no apologies necessary. It’s business. A bottom line business.
Haslam as an owner, took a leap forward this year, and the learning curve is not so steep for him now, but it’s only because he had the wisdom and courage to realize that without the knowledge and wisdom to run a successful operation, all the courage and commitment in the world isn’t going to win you a sausage.
Without this revelation, Haslam isn’t able to convince DePodesta to take on the challenge of helping to rebuild The Browns. And without Paul DePodesta, The Browns Franchise cannot embrace the culture, the correct attitudes, and innovation that successful organizations have to embrace if they are going to be “world class,” “cutting edge” and “leaders in their industry.”
Without “the tour”, and without the knowledge and insights Haslam gained from that, he doesn’t land Paul DePodesta who is arguably one of the biggest fish in the professional sports pond, and without DePodesta, Hue Jackson cannot be convinced that the direction of The Browns is on the upswing, that they have a solid plan, that they have a vision and a blueprint and the commitment and knowledge to build a winner. Guts and glory just isn’t enough to win in The NFL. You need more than that.
The Browns indeed hit rock bottom this year…..things are changing….and for the better.
There is no where to go but up, and the transformation of The Browns has begun. It’s a time for optimism, a time to embrace change, and a time to look forward to the fruits of change, and a day is coming where winning and pride will be restored to a once proud franchise, but it all started with Haslam’s realization that things had to change in Berea and I think we can all safely say that change indeed has come and we are well on our way to recovery.There is a little prayer I think that sums up what it takes to change in a positive direction for a man, or an organization. It’s just a little bit of applicable wisdom.
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference.
I think we arrived at precisely that, and it will show in the men we hire, the players we sign and draft, and in the win and loss column once the season arrives. For once The Browns are taking the lead instead of playing from behind, and The League is sitting up and taking notice. And it couldn’t come at a better time for all of us long suffering fans.
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I believe we got the right coach. He’s .well respected, players love him, he gets the most out of his guys.
As for being on the right path, that can’t be answered for a few years.
Freedom!!!
Well, hard to say. I think I agree with most here that we found the right coach. That in itself is huge.
After we fired Pettine and Haslam had his press conference, I don’t think I was ever as down on this team as I was after he walked off the podium. I just felt imminent and total disaster awaited us. My stance has changed a bit.
Now Jackson is talking about bringing back Ray Horton, which if it’s the case, would have me seal clapping. I hated losing Horton and our defense was solid under him.
A solid coaching staff is an absolute must, and I think we’re going to have just that. Now it’s going to be up to all the nerds in the rooms above him with their slide rules, quadratic formulas and algorithms to evaluate talent and stuff the roster whit talent. That part still has me terrified. The reality is this team still has 2-4 win talent at best, and if that happens again next year, anything Jackson, Horton, or whoever else is on the field coaching can do with it will probably be lost and will take the fall and get whacked.
I like the direction and Jackson really does inspire some hope in me, but not a lot. We’ll just have to wait and see what kind of team is on the field and how well we can compete.
It’s tough to say where we are, especially with this bizarre front office. As someone who is obsessed with baseball, I’m not a huge fan of the DePodesta hire. He was a one-hit wonder in Oakland, and has underperformed at every turn since. He was never going to get another shot as an MLB GM, and that’s probably a big part of the reason he jumped ship. Those who know nothing about him other than having watched a film with a fictional character based upon him would be wise to do some research before getting excited.
I’m also incredibly skeptical of “analytics” working in football as well as they do in baseball. Such things do not translate to team-oriented games like they do individual ones such as baseball. Hence why fantasy baseball has been something MIT types have been obsessing over since the 80s…there’s more mathematical certainty in the sport. It simply doesn’t translate to the NFL, where the amount of variables on each play is so much greater than in an MLB at bat.
I’m very concerned with the the caliber of GM we will be able to attract with Sahsi Brown in charge of our roster. I do feel prematurely granting him that will come back to bite us.
It’s going to be a long road. I’m not going to speculate what “course” we are on until at least after the draft.
As of right now, we have a very even spread with no one voting for a 1 or a 5. I’d say that’s a good sign considering most of us almost jumped off a ledge a week ago.
Let me tell you guys, it could be a LOT worse. Tampa fired their coach for no reason just to hire his coordinator. The Giants did the same thing. The 49ers hired the guy that just totally demolished a decent Philly team, and Philly is considering Doug Peterson (lol) after Coughlin turned them down. Compared to them, we hit the coaching powerball.
Let me tell you guys, it could be a LOT worse. Tampa fired their coach for no reason just to hire his coordinator. The Giants did the same thing. The 49ers hired the guy that just totally demolished a decent Philly team, and Philly is considering Doug Peterson (lol) after Coughlin turned them down. Compared to them, we hit the coaching powerball.
It’s really not the coaching that has me worried. It’s this new approach, whether or not certain players are still here, etc.
Getting the right Head Coach and assistant coaches in place is only PART of the solution. Quite frankly, the Browns need to do a better job of drafting players – particularly early on in the draft – then DEVELOP that talent to its full potential. The last seven first round draft picks over the last four years for this team have been the following . . .
Danny Shelton 2015 (12th)
Cameron Erving 2015 (19th)
Justin Gilbert 2014 (8th)
Johnny Manziel 2014 (22nd)
Barkevious Mingo 2013 (6th)
Trent Richardson 2012 (3rd)
Brandon Weeden 2012 (22nd)Sorry for being the one to break this to you, but I don’t see any pro bowl caliber players in that lot. Fill roster spots with some real NFL talent and then let’s see if this organization is on the right track.
All that said, I really like the hire of Hue Jackson as the Browns new head coach. He knows how to win the press conference and comes off as he’ll hold people accountable.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
I found this very interesting. It looks like year 3 is the big year. Year 1 is garbage.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/how_long_has_it_taken_10_top_n.html#12
Freedom!!!
Just to keep you guys updated . . . The Browns have retained Special Teams Coordinator Chris Tabor. Love the move because Chris is a good coach and even better person from what I’ve heard.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
I like the direction we are going. Hiring a great HC in Hue Jackson was/is Huege!!! I also like the direction we seem to be headed in hiring a DC. I am a huge fan of a
4-3 defensive alignment i.e. Horton or Lovie Smith….stay the course and land a 4-3 DC!!!! Keeping Tabor as StC is also a good move! Now will we keep Flip involved in the offense? Personally I believe that would be a win/win and keep the team together!!! GO BROWNS!!! ?Just to keep you guys updated . . . The Browns have retained Special Teams Coordinator Chris Tabor. Love the move because Chris is a good coach and even better person from what I’ve heard.
I hope he coordinates Shelton right out of being on the field goal team. Blocked field goals came right over him.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
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