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Since they’ve already lost four starters from last year’s 3-13 roster; it seems like a number of people are asking the question, “Why don’t the Browns go ahead and blow the whole thing up, trade all their assets, gut the roster and get as many draft picks as they can? After all, they were 3-13 with them. Can it get any worse?” Well, this is Cleveland, after all . . . so yes, it can get worse. With the O-line already missing two spots in Mack and Schwartz, I’m not so sure that trading Joe Thomas is a smart idea because – whoever your QB is – you need someone competent to protect his blind side. Short of getting a king’s ransom in return, I would just say no.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
No matter what we do at this point, we are at least going to be set back 3-5 years.
I’m not arguing for or against trading Thomas, but consider a couple of things: he’s 30, he’s likely pissed about Mack and Schwartz leaving, and he’ll be at least 33 before this analytical experiment bears any fruit…during which time his contract is up again.
Point is, his value is never going to be higher than it is now. And by the way that they are approaching this rebuild, we may end up giving him up for draft picks this year or next. Or maybe a pick/player combination.
Who knows? I just got an alert that Demario Davis (LB, Jets) is visiting with the team now. Whatever we are doing, it’s definitely unorthodox.
Found a really good article on recent rebuilds, and how the Browns seem to be following the same formula…no matter how much Soup wants to bitch about it.
Interesting article. I don’t know if they’ll trade Joe Thomas this off-season, but if they do . . . (A) they had better get a king’s ransom for him and (B) they had better hit on every single pick they get for him.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
Found a really good article on recent rebuilds, and how the Browns seem to be following the same formula…no matter how much Soup wants to bitch about it.
https://medium.com/@christrapasso/do-you-cleveland-browns-do-you-you-re-doing-it-right-a4b93c4bfe43#.49hjfd65tPieces of the article will be in italics – my response in bold.
Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta and the rest of Cleveland’s unique front office have handled free agency in, well, a unique way… and while many have mocked their decisions as classic Browns’ idiocy… they’ve been brilliant.
If the executives who, on an annual basis, throw caution and their checkbooks to the wind and hand mega contracts to players on the first days of free agency are calling you “clueless” for not following their antics… you’re probably doing at least something right.
No one has said they should be opening the checkbook to overpriced free agent “stars” on the market.
By the way, this isn’t the first time DePodesta has been called “clueless” by other executives in his sport. No big deal to him.
And his teams faired how? He’s famous for a movie. He leaves teams wrecked and guess what – it’s baseball. A different sport without a salary cap or minimum. Also – he had NOTHING to do with drafting the A’s young pitching staff that was there when he got there.
Alex Mack, Travis Benjamin, Mitchell Schwartz, Tashaun Gipson and Johnson Bademosi… the Browns top free-agents who moved on to other teams last week and sparked the widespread “OMG, LOL, what are the Browns doing letting these guys go?” criticism are all good players… but far from franchise-changers.
Simply put — a rebuilding process should not start by spending extra to re-sign average / above-average veterans, particularly if they’re leveraging your offer to negotiate pricier deals elsewhere.
They’d ultimately be too expensive — to either have on the roster or cut — and, in a way, superfluous when the rebuilding process is yielding positive results in two or three seasons and money is needed to extend young stars and add important pieces in free agency.
For an example of how to properly execute a rebuilding process in today’s NFL, look no further than… the Raiders and Jaguars.
I think many NFL teams are envious of the Raiders and Jaguars.
(That reads pretty weird, doesn’t it?)
I don’t mean envious of what they’ve recently accomplished. Because neither team has made the playoffs — or, hell, had a winning season — in a long time.
But the closeted envy likely resides in these facts:
Each franchise has a young, talented quarterback, budding superstars on offense and defense and went into the 2016 offseason with a Mark Zuckerberg amount of cash to spend in free agency.
Seems like the “Jaguars-Raiders model” is almost precisely what the Browns are following.
This is completely and unquestionably asinine writing by a clueless idiot about clueless idiots.
1. The Browns had the 2nd most cap money in the NFL.
2. Alex Mack left for less money so his assertion that he’d be overpriced is idiotic as he opted out of a contract. We tried to keep him. He’s 30 years old.
3. Mitchell Schwartz – we offered $7 million a year. He wanted $8 million and tested free agency. When he came back the Browns pulled their offer off the table and never gave him another one. He signed with KC for $6.6 million a year. He’s 26 years old.
4. he clueless writer raves about “budding super stars” on defense in Jax. Tashaun Gipson is 25 years old and already been to a pro bowl. Also – going into this year (I believe – going off memory) he had the most interceptions in the NFL since 2012. Hmmmm. So we get rid of a young bpotential super star and we are genius. But Jax has some and they are smart……yeah….. okay.
5. Travis Benjamin – he’s 26 years old. 966 yards, 5 TDs, #1 PR in the NFL since he got into the league with a 12 PR average. Pro-Bowl alternate selection.
6. Johnson Bademosi – excellent special teams guy. Pro-Bowl alternate selection. Age 25.
4 of those 5 guys are 26 and under. You know – guys you build upon.
Reggie McKenzie was hired as the Raiders GM in 2012. He inherited a unmitigated disaster, a scrap heap largely consisting of undesirables and wouldn’t have a pick in the first two rounds of the draft that year.
How lovely.
After going 4–12, McKenzie voided the contract of prized defensive lineman Richard Seymour and traded established veteran quarterback Carson Palmer.
SERIOUSLY, DUDE ?!?!
He let others leave town while adding bargain bin free agents.
Following another 3–13 campaign, McKenzie was one of the league’s primary laughing stocks and many called for his firing.
But Oakland’s ownership didn’t get antsy and succumb to making decisions because of outside criticism.
so this idiot says the Browns are doing it like the Raiders and Jags. Palmer was 32 and Seymour was 32. Again – look at the ages of 4 of the 5 guys who they let walk.
Like the Raiders, the Jaguars had an ungodly amount of cap space in 2016 and signed a trio of highly-coveted free agents — Malik Jackson, Chris Ivory and Tashaun Gipson.
So wait – I thought the Browns front office was incredibly smart according to this writer? You know, they didn’t overpay for their own guys like – “coveted free agent” Tashaun Gipson. Wait. What? Is this writer really that much of a clueless and worthless dolt? Is it really possible to be that ignorant? To praise one team for letting go a 25 year old budding super star and praise another for picking up that same player and say the one team is aspiring to be the other? Huh? What? I can’t even…..
If the Browns aren’t absolutely, head-over-heels in love with a quarterback in this draft class but adore Ole Miss stalwart left tackle Laremy Tunsil, they should trade Joe Thomas while they can still get him for a pretty penny and pick the young offensive lineman.
Shocker, a clueless moron stating Cleveland should trade a HOF player and create a hole on the roster where they should use the #2 pick to fill a hole they created themselves. That’s quite possibly the most asinine thing that can be done.
Jaguars 8-24 the last 2 years (14-50 since 2012)
Raiders. Before we get into the schedule – remember this writer is worshiping the Raiders Gm and Browns front office. The Raiders GM got hired in 2012 – his first thing to do was fire Hue Jackson. You know – the guy who was hired by the Browns office who he worships.
Radiers 10-22 the last 2 years (18-46 since 2012 – when their “brilliant” GM took over)
Browns 10-22 the last 2 years (19-45 since 2012)
Huh? We want to rebuild to be worse than the 2 frachises we are mod……nevermind.
This article is written by a moron.
Freedom!!!
If you live in the Cleveland area, and have an iphone, say “sadness” and watch what happens.
And no, I’m not joking.
If you live in the Cleveland area, and have an iphone, say “sadness” and watch what happens.
And no, I’m not joking.Can you tell the rest of us who don’t live in Cleveland what happens?
Yeah. Fuck iPhone.
I have to be honest. From a comedic standpoint of view, this is, and I know the word gets over used way too much but,…. epic.
I mean, DAYUM.
This is like getting the shit kicked out of you and actually taking the time to look up at the guy right before your jaw stops working to utter, “wow, fuck man you’re really kicking my ass, fives”.
Ice, say something about that front office now. Say something about how they know more than we do orrrrrrr Soups crazy orrrrrrr we just have to “wait and see” orrrrrrrr we’re “getting younger” or somethin. Say somethin. Anything.
Siri, a goddamn inanimate robot/phone/thing is not only talking shit, but dropping Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka elbows from the top rope and just crushing us while doing it.
There’s the bottom, then there’s totally hitting ROCK bottom, and then there’s this.
We’re Morlocks now Ice. We should just rename the team. Cleveland goddamn Morlocks. We’re the Courtney Love of football dude.
This, is sub-fuckin-tearainian. I spelled that wrong, don’t care, don’t even want to correct it, fuck me.
Bonus points to Shooter for working in the Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka reference. Browns told Karlos Dansby that they’re rebuilding with younger talent. That’s the story – bottom line. And with that said, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Sashi and the gang trade joe Thomas – maybe even in a draft day deal.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
Just because Shooter begged…
I could get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull’s ass, but I’d rather judge it by tasting the finished product.
Replacing Alex Mack is gonna suck. He’s a perennial probowl center, but there was nothing we were going to be able to do to keep him. New coach, old coach, either way he’s gone.
Dansby had a great year for us, but he’s on the wrong side of 34. I understand not wanting to pay the old men to stick around.
Gipson is a good but oft injured safety. He’s a guy I would have liked to resign but he was ready to move on.
Schwartz was in my opinion hot garbage. I don’t know if you can blame it on having to protect 10 different QB’s, but I’ve been calling for them to replace him for 2 years now. He’s a heavy legged waist bender who always seems out of position. This is addition by subtraction IMO.
Bademosi is a fantastic special teams tackler. He’s a one trick pony. Let’s hope we can find another pony to replace him.
Travis Benjamin is supposedly some huge loss. I don’t think of it that way. His best position would be slot receiver on a team with 2 other receiving threats ahead of him on the depth chart. He’s Az-Zahir Hakim from the 2000 Rams. On our team he’s the #1 receiver and that’s a problem. Even as that, he still couldn’t manage more yards than our TE and couldn’t even break 1000 despite every team in the league putting 9 guys in the box. Someone was going to overpay him. I’m glad it wasn’t us.
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