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Somebody with NFL head coaching experience, and who has been successful at it. A coach who knows how an NFL locker room should conduct itself, who knows how good teams prepare for meaningful games. Someone who has experience managing both inexperienced rookies and egotistical veterans and can have both in a position to succeed every week. Someone who can make in season adjustments.
I don’t have a name, honestly, but that’s what I’m looking for. Honestly, I don’t even care if they win us a Superbowl, I just want them to turn this roster into an annual 9-10 win team with playoff expectations every year.
Urban meyers name has been making the rounds as the possible next guy. Honestly I’d rather go with Harbaugh over Meyer if that was the choice weirds as that sounds. IMO Meyer is a college couch who is very system oriented so much so he had both Haskins and Burrow riding the pine in favor of JT Barret.
Then there is Meyers health issues. Are those taken care of and clear sailing for a while…who knows???
Personally though loved the guy when he was at OSU. Heck at this point If were between Raya Day and Urban meyer I’d pick Day.
So I hope it is not Urban Meyer like the Rumor mile has been saying.
A Guy I wouldn’t mind seeing in Orange and Brown is LSU’s Passing Coordinator who used to work with Drew Brease and turned Joe Burrow into a Top 5 pick in 1 year. Last year he was thought of as late 1st rounder to top of the 2nd. Joes Brady. I figure he would the perfect guy to work with Baker. After all Brease Burrow and Baker all are more a like than they are different as QB’s.
I duuno if he is a HC material or not but he is only 30. But I think at a minimum he should be high on the OC candidate list if Kitchens is or is not retained. Cause that air raid OC they highed is GARBAGE.
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Ron Rivera. 2 time head coach of the year. The nice thing about him is when Wilks was DC under him he helped him tremendously. We could leave the D alone (so to speak) and Rivera can fix it due to prior relationship. He just needs to hire a real run first OC.
Other candidate I’d consider as a first time head coach is Greg Roman. He always runs as OC wherever he is and is successful at it. Also, his hire as HC would weaken the Ravens
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McCarthy. My major concern is the run possibily being deemphasized. I still like him a lot, though.
Rivera. In his eight full seasons, he had five losing seasons and three winning seasons. Still had an overall record of 76-63-1. 2 time HC of the year.
Harbaugh: Did great work in SF.
Roman: For all the points Soup brought up.
Meyer: I hated this idea at first. Not so much, now. I’m not an OSU fan, so not I’m too familiar with his offenses, all that. But one of the greatest college coaches ever. He definitely wouldn’t be my first choice, but I wouldn’t flip out if he came here, though.
Jim Schwartz: Took over a Lions team coming off an 0-16 season and did some pretty good work there, although we’re looking at 29-51 and one winning season overall. I’m not really advocating for him, just throwing the name out there. Like with Meyer, not my first choice, but I’d be okay with it.
A couple of other guys I like:
Matt Eberflus, Colts D.C.
Kris Richard, defensive passing game coordinator, Dallas.
My top choices would be Rivera or McCarthy followed by Roman and Harbaugh.
You are all confident we’re firing Kitchens?
I’m not. But ’tis the season of speculation….
You are all confident we’re firing Kitchens?
I’m not, but the OC HAS to be out the door IMO.
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You are all confident we’re firing Kitchens?
Not at all. I believe we will keep him and in 2021 we will have anew GM who will trade Mayfield and Garrett and company to rebuild again. Dorsey has too big an ego to admit being wrong
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You are all confident we’re firing Kitchens?
Optimistically, yes. I don’t think he’s of the Shurmer/Mangini “maybe he didn’t get a fair shake” variety, I think Kitchens is an undeniably bad coach, who can’t control his locker room or make decisions in routine situations during games.
Realistically, I think we fire most of our offensive staff, give him another year and Wilks is our HC by week 9 of next year.
Honestly I’d rather go with Harbaugh over Meyer if that was the choice
Nothing said after this sentence can in any way be taken seriously.
You are all confident we’re firing Kitchens?
I have very little, actually.
I have a very strong feeling that the day after the Bengals game Monken is fired and will be taking the majority of the fall for the failure of the offense this year.
Part of that I’d have to agree with too. I was confused from the start at his hiring. To me it made no sense, his offense is completely and totally different from what we ran last year. I didn’t understand the thinking behind it.
I am going forward with the thinking that Freddie is going to get another chance, and the people who we bring in this year are going to have/develop an offense far more catered to the strengths of the team, and to Baker. Which honestly should have been done from the start. I’m not sure who’s call it was bringing in the coaches we did, but many mistakes were made.
Alas, I think Kitchens is going to be given the opportunity to correct them.
I don’t think he’s of the Shurmer/Mangini “maybe he didn’t get a fair shake” variety
Whoa there, Shurmer got way more leash than he should have. He was the worst coach we’ve had since the return. You’re probably thinking of Chudzinski, who was 1 and done after getting 4 amazing wins.
My crystal ball says that the HC will be retained, but playcalling will change hands.
I’m in agreement there, but a caveat being it’s not Monken.
I think Freddie co-develops/installs an offense with a like-minded coach on the same page both philosophically and schematically as himself, and THEN agrees to relinquish playcalling duties.
I don’t think he’s of the Shurmer/Mangini “maybe he didn’t get a fair shake” variety
Whoa there, Shurmer got way more leash than he should have. He was the worst coach we’ve had since the return. You’re probably thinking of Chudzinski, who was 1 and done after getting 4 amazing wins.
You are correct.
My crystal ball says that the HC will be retained, but playcalling will change hands.
I’m in agreement there, but a caveat being it’s not Monken.
I think Freddie co-develops/installs an offense with a like-minded coach on the same page both philosophically and schematically as himself, and THEN agrees to relinquish playcalling duties.You are seeing Freddie’s offense this year. The moment he threw away Haley’s playbook was the moment the season ended
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You are seeing Freddie’s offense this year. The moment he threw away Haley’s playbook was the moment the season ended
I disagree with all of that.
Haley was fired with Hue at the beginning of the year last year. The offense Freddie ran last year was very successful, and we’ve seen parts of that same offense this year (and to great success when it’s run).Trying to mix in parts of Monkens offense, which is a completely different attack in every way imaginable, is where the problems all lie.
There’s been a tug of war all season long on what we’re doing offensively. When we run Freddies offense that got Baker to superstar status last year, we look unbeatable. When we run Monkens offense, we look like we’re running in mud with bricks on our feet.
It was just amazingly frustrating to watch because we already had an offensive identity, we didn’t need to establish a “new” one. From the start I never understood it. When you bring in an assistant coach, you bring one in who is a fit philosophically, schematically, and with the same system but that might add some new wrinkles or flares and expand upon that base offense in some different directions. What you DON’T Do is hire someone who runs an entirely different scheme and then try to combine them, which is what we did. Not surprisingly, the entire team spent most of the year looking completely confused.
It’s just beyond me why that happened, and was allowed to happen. I’ll agree with Soup and say that a huge mistake was not retaining Ken Zampese. He had a great report with Baker, and his transition to offensive coordinator would have been seamless. The elements of our offense that were ultra successful would have stayed. I also think this would ave had a tremendous impact on Freddies playcalling, which I do believe suffered greatly by the mixing of oil and water this year.
The whole thing was a mess. Get rid of Monken, bring in someone else with the same style and function of offense, and start all over from the beginning and get back to what we’re good at. Which is exactly what’s going to happen anyway, it’s just going to be a question of whether it happens with or without Freddie.
I’ll agree with Soup and say that a huge mistake was not retaining Ken Zampese. He had a great report with Baker, and his transition to offensive coordinator would have been seamless.
Just because you stepped out and agreed with Soup, I’ll disagree. Zampese never had as good of a relationship with Baker as Lindley does. According to CBD those two are thick as thieves.
But as anyone who has managed people int the past can tell you, being liked is not nearly as important as being respected. And if you’re not competent in your job, then your staff will never respect you.
@shooter last year it was Haley’s playbook all year. All Freddie did was be smart enough to ask the guys what plays they liked running and he dumbed it down a bit. They weren’t his plays.
A friend of mine pointed out that the biggest issue with coaches who are ex QBs is they are obsessed with throwing the ball especialky downfield.
Make no mistake, last year wasn’t Kitchens offense. It was Haley’s – he just called it right. Now that it’s “his” offense it’s all slow developing routes that are useless.
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Make no mistake, last year wasn’t Kitchens offense. It was Haley’s – he just called it right.
It’s impossible to back that up with even a shred of proof. Its what makes saying outlandish things so interesting to some people, you can completely get away with it. But just saying something in no way makes it truthful at all, and you have no idea whatsoever that that statement holds any water.
Now that it’s “his” offense it’s all slow developing routes that are useless.
That would be Monkens offense. See what Tampa Bay did while he was there. The proof is readily available.
So, you’re wrong twice.
A friend of mine pointed out that the biggest issue with coaches who are ex QBs is they are obsessed with throwing the ball especialky downfield.
Another blanket statement. Frank Reich in Indy throws it less than we do. So does John Gruden. We’re also in the bottom half of the league in attempts per game.
So, sorry, 3 times.
yes, I have definitive proof we ran Haley’s offense. This is from last year after he was promoted to OC:
Kitchens intends to run the same scheme deployed by Haley.
“We are running the same system as we ran before. We are not changing systems. Todd and I have the same system. He brought me up in this system. Nothing is going to change from that standpoint. What I hope we are able to do and hope to accomplish is that we are able to execute better and do the things the way that we are supposed to do them, how we are supposed to do them and when we are supposed to do them. If we do all of those things and have good communication in doing that, we will be successful. When we are successful, that is what has happened. When we are not successful, that is not what has happened. It is a pretty simple game if you go from the standpoint of communicate it, know what you are doing, know when you are doing it and know how you are doing it, and then you will be successful.”
The system 100% changed this year because he’s an idiot.
The best thing that can happen tomorrow is Cincy to destroy us and him get fired
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