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Just heard it. YAY! NO WENTZ!!!!So happy about that. I’m guessing they have a 2nd round Dalton type in mind. Wunkle – who fits that mold?
Freedom!!!
Forget the Wentz stuff…we got a hell of a deal, as long as we don’t fuck these picks up.
Which is to say, we probably will.
Just heard it. YAY! NO WENTZ!!!!So happy about that. I’m guessing they have a 2nd round Dalton type in mind. Wunkle – who fits that mold?
I thought you said Wentz was going in the mid rounds….
Just heard it. YAY! NO WENTZ!!!!So happy about that. I’m guessing they have a 2nd round Dalton type in mind. Wunkle – who fits that mold?
I thought you said Wentz was going in the mid rounds….
No, I said he’s a mid round talent. He should drop.
Freedom!!!
Just heard it. YAY! NO WENTZ!!!!So happy about that. I’m guessing they have a 2nd round Dalton type in mind. Wunkle – who fits that mold?
I thought you said Wentz was going in the mid rounds….
You’re endless “Lynch is a top 10 pick” schpeel just took on a WHOLE new meaning!
Still, if we weren’t sold on Goff or Wentz this makes a ton of sense. We arguably got as much in trade to move down from 2 to 8 than the Titans got to move from 1 to 15. That is a shrewd trade. We now have the building blocks to build a franchise from. All we have to do is not screw it up by drafting idiots….
You’re endless “Lynch is a top 10 pick” schpeel just took on a WHOLE new meaning!
All aboard the LYNCH TRAIN!!! CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOO
Still, if we weren’t sold on Goff or Wentz this makes a ton of sense. We arguably got as much in trade to move down from 2 to 8 than the Titans got to move from 1 to 15. That is a shrewd trade. We now have the building blocks to build a franchise from. All we have to do is not screw it up by drafting idiots….
Or they knew Rams wanted Goff so they dropped. Rams lying to other teams would hurt their future potential trades so the Eagles and all teams probably know the Rams pick.
That said, you are probably right. They didn’t want either and dropped and got a steal for it. Though with their reliance on analytics they know a guy coming from where Wentz is has little chance to succeed.
Freedom!!!
This offer is so awful, and so very Browns-like, I expect it to be announced as official sometime tomorrow.
Beer me.
I’ve said it 1,000 times and I’ll say it again. RG3 is our starter. That’s why he was signed.
I suggest you all keep repeating that as well (as many times as needed for it to actually sink in too), because it’s the truth, and the sooner you come to that realization the sooner you can begin to get over the bitter disappointment of the Browns not drafting a QB in the 1st round this year. Because they aren’t, and I know you all will be.
Beer me, get me a shot, then beer me again.
Ya know what, fuck that. I’m gonna drink til I puke, you all can pay my tab. When someone is just so, so incredibly accurate with their points, the entire tab needs to be picked up.
I find it interesting that so many of you feel that this is a good deal.
The only thing this deal does for me is show that the new Browns regime is cementing itself as just as inept and stupid as all the previous ones.
Why Shooter? Why would you say that?
I’m glad you asked. Let me explain.
Do I think that the Browns weren’t sold on either QB, and that it was a prudent move to move down and get more picks to build with?
Hell yes I do. To both questions. I completely agree with it. It’s absolutely the smart move to make, and sets us up well for the future.
Well that’s what they did Shooter, I don’t understand why you hate the move then?
Well let me tell you why.
We all know that in the NFL, prices go up. Never down. Especially when a team really wants to move up to select a guy they covet. In this case, Philly damn sure wanted a QB. So much so, that they don’t even give a fuck which one they have to take. That boys and girls, is called desperation.
Desperation much like Washington showed a few years ago when they mortgaged their future to get RG3.
The problem I have, is that when Washington did it, they traded 2 1sts, and a 2nd. (I don’t consider swapping 1st round picks as “gaining” one. The Browns went from 2 to 8. We swapped, so 1 1st round pick gets removed. See what I’m saying here? Washington technically gave up 3 1st rounders for RG3, but in reality, because they swapped 1sts with the Rams, they really gave up 2, ya follow? Good).
That set the bar for the value of the #2 overall pick. 2 1sts and a 2nd. The Browns just gave it away for 1 1st, a second, a third, and a 4th, while also trading away a 4th of their own.
They let the price not only go DOWN, but waaaaaaaaaaay down. And I stated before, prices in the NFL don’t go down. It was stupid, and they should and could have gotten far more from a desperate team like the Eagles. At the very least, they could have gotten equal value.
Why announce this today? Why not let the Eagles twist a little for the next week? They very clearly wanted a QB, and were willing to pay for it. They should have made them pay. They didn’t. They let them have it.
Horrible front office work. Horrible.
I’m sorry but as prospects Goff/Wentz aren’t close to holding the jocks of Luck/RG3. Those were the best top 2 prospects in the draft since Manning/Leaf. Goff/Wentz aren’t blowing anyone’s skirts up like RG3 did. Comparing their trade value is silly. If you want a real apples to apples comparison, look what we got for moving from 2 to 8 and compare it to what the Titans got for moving from 1 to 15. Our front office did a much better job negotiating than the Titans.
If you want a real apples to apples comparison, look what we got for moving from 2 to 8 and compare it to what the Titans got for moving from 1 to 15. Our front office did a much better job negotiating than the Titans.
That’s a solid point, and hard to argue so I won’t. I see what you’re getting at and respect where it coming from. But…….
Those were the best top 2 prospects in the draft since Manning/Leaf. Goff/Wentz aren’t blowing anyone’s skirts up like RG3 did.
…….this^ is where I have a problem, and call bullshit.
True, I’ll grant that there isn’t a Manning/Luck in this draft because there isn’t. But, there is a debate between Wentz and Goff, a proverbial 1 and 1a argument going on. And not only that, Wentz is 2016’s version of RG3. Just like RG3 in 2012, no one knew who Wentz even was and he came out of nowhere. RG3 went from a total unkown to a Heisman winner damn near overnight, and then from there went from not even on the radar to being the consensus pick as “the” sure-fire guy behind Luck, who everyone knew for a fact was going to Indy.
Now you have Wentz, who almost identically no one knew until the senior bowl. Then from there, he shot up the draft board almost just the same, and has just about solidified himself as being this consensus sure-fire can’t miss prospect.
Now, do I believe and buy into all that hype?
No. Hell no. I didn’t then, especially about RG3 (I was dead on balls accurate to quote Joe Pesci, on that one), and I don’t now.
But that doesn’t matter and that’s not my point. My point is, someone did.
In 2012, that someone was Washington. And that someone, paid through the fucking nose for it. They were so snowed by the myths and legends, were so completely sold on the hype, and so desperate to believe in all of it, that they were willing to damn near go into Ditka-for-Ricky Williams mode to get Mr. Mythology, price be damned.
This year, that someone was the Eagles. Not only were they so sold on one of them, they were so completely sold on both of them. So much so that they didn’t care which one they got. So much so that at their news conference, the GM of the Eagles actually siad “it’s like picking between chocolate or vanilla, pepperoni or sausage on a pizza”.
From a strategic point of view, that moment, when you damn well know how badly the other side covets a player, that much, you fucking sell them a supreme pizza and make them go into Vikings-for-Hershel Walker mode. You make them go Ditka. You make them pull a Dan Snyder.
And you let them know that if they don’t, you will. Then you wait and smoke them out.
It could have been a shrewd, ruthless, and all-time Cleveland Browns future altering move. It was right there.
Instead, they gave it away for a cheese pizza.
Strike when the iron is hot is the phrase. They struck before the iron went into the fire. It was premature draftication.
I cannot fathom, cannot
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fucking fathom
, how Club Calculator didn’t see that.
Harvard/Yale, Harvard/Yale, chess not checkers, bright minds, NASA I.Q’s, analytics……………….getthefuckouttahere.
I’m a Joe Schmoe nobody from Cleveland that went to community college and I saw a that shit from a mile away. Tell me, please, how the hell I’m supposed to not only have real faith in this collection of beautiful minds, but also be happy over a move that I know for damn sure they could have milked for far more if they had any semblance of balls, patience, and practicality?
The idea was sublime. The execution just left this organization with their pants down.
Dumb.
I think this is AN INCREDIBLY HORRIBLE DEAL for the Browns. When you have the opportunity to take a legitimate franchise caliber QB with the second overall pick, then you do it. Eventually this team will need to stop passing on quality and settling for quantity. Evidently, in their eyes, this isn’t the year that they do it. You either pick the top talent or you play against them. I for one would like to see them start picking the top talent because, for the past seventeen years, the Browns have been playing against the top talent. And the reason is simple . . . THEIR TALENT EVALUATORS HAVE SUCKED SEWER WATER!!!!!! Everyone from Dwight Clark, Butch Davis and Phil Savage to Eric Mangini and George Kokinis, Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert, Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi . . . and then there’s the dynamic Duo of Mike Pettine and Ray Farmer. How’s that cup of coffee now, Ray?
Right now the quarterbacks on this roster include (A) an aging veteran that can neither win nor stay healthy in Josh McCown, (B) a reclamation project that wore out his welcome in Washington and has a long history of injuries in Robert Griffin III, (C) some kid that had a cup of coffee with the Rams and is currently under contract for two more seasons, but is nowhere near ready for prime time in Austin Davis and (D) an undrafted rookie free agent from 2014 who lacks the arm strength necessary to make all the throws at the NFL level, and has his own injury history to deal with as well in one Connor Shaw. That’s our list of QB’s and we’re supposed to think that all is well?! That list is supposed to make us all want to join hands around the campfire and sing Kumbayah?! ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!Did Sashi Brown take an ill-timed bump to the head and wake up believing that he’s Jim Jones?! I have to wonder because it seems that he’s wanting everyone to drink the Kool-Aid.
My biggest question concerning the deal itself is, “Why didn’t they bide their time until about half-way through their allotted time when they were on the clock before pulling the trigger?” If Philadelphia indeed is desperate, then the price would’ve only gone up from the terms the Iggles agreed to give the Browns. On that point, I completely agree with Shooter. A rookie GM, Sashi Brown, got played and the whole NFL world knows it now. His ONLY hope – and this is where his predecessors have so often failed – is to actually hit on those picks, and hit ON THEM BIG TIME.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
“Horrible front office work. Horrible.”
I disagree. Allow me to explain why.
Prices don’t always go up. The reason prices don’t always go up is on our roster right now. Washington mortgaged their future by spending 3 first round picks and a second rounder for RG3, fresh off a year out of the league, who signed with us in free agency. Jersey sales aside, Washington got nothing out of that trade. Nothing. And the greatest single reminder of that fact, RG3 himself, is sitting on the roster of the team shopping it’s #2 pick.
Additionally, you take what the market will give you. Washington got fleeced because they were desperate. The Eagles have Bradford and Daniel. Whomever they draft will most likely sit for at least a year before being pressed into service. That said, we got far more than we should have.
To get picks 1 from pick 15 (including gaining picks 113 and 177) in this year’s draft (moving up 14 spots and guaranteeing they get “their guy”), the Rams gave up:
Pick 15
Two seconds
One third.By comparison, to get to pick 2 from 8 (and a 2017 fourth rounder), the Eagles gave up:
Pick 8
Pick 77
Pick 100
2017 1st rounder
2018 second rounderThe kicker? The Eagles don’t know who they’re even getting!
Also, the Browns, while technically picking at 8, it can be argued that the Browns will be taking the 6th highest rated player in the draft because the first two picks are going to be Quarterbacks. As much as I like Goff (and I wasn’t as sour on Wentz as Soup), I had him ranked at #7, with Wentz in tow at #8. In other words, the Rams moved much farther up, paid far less to do so and know who they’re getting. In light of the current market, the Browns made a killing in this trade.
If we land Myles Jack at 8, we could easily trade back into the first and (Ice, this one’s for you) package the #32 pick with some of our other picks and take…
Paxton Lynch.
Choo Mother-fuckin Choo!
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0The only people not praising this move are:
Wentz fans who think he’s the second coming of Roethlisberger and those who have forgotten how the RG3 trade ended for Washington or are convinced the Browns will squander the boatload of picks they just received.
At the onset, this is a great trade. Sure, what they do with the picks matters, but people are making fun of the Eagles, not the Browns, for this trade:
You don’t have to possess a degree from an Ivy League institution to conclude that the Cleveland Browns scored a major coup on Wednesday in dealing away the second pick in next week’s draft.
When I wrote about the Rams-Titans trade last week, I suggested that the deal to get Los Angeles into the top spot would make it harder for the Eagles to do something foolish. Well, six days later, the Eagles did something that would charitably qualify as aggressive and could very well go down as foolish: They sent five picks on Wednesday to the Cleveland Browns, with the Eagles giving up a whopping haul to move up six spots and grab their starting quarterback of the future.
The first major move made by the Cleveland Browns’ new ‘Moneyball’ front office was a brilliant one
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Bill I disagree with you on why I feel it’s a bad move. I think we’re in agreement that it is, but we’re coming at it from two different angles.
But you said something that I am in complete and total agreement on, this little nugget right here: ““Why didn’t they bide their time until about half-way through their allotted time when they were on the clock before pulling the trigger?”
How, HOW do you not bleed them?
Why do it now? You KNOW they’re sold on a guy. You know they are! Why do it now? Bleed them. Bleed them dry!
I completely agree with you on this.
I think that if they weren’t sold on the QB’s available that it’s a prudent decision to move down, you think they blew a shot at drafting the guy we need. Your point holds water, but brother, we’re on the same page when it comes to what they got for moving down.
If Philadelphia indeed is desperate, then the price would’ve only gone up from the terms the Iggles agreed to give the Browns.
And that^. That right there is my biggest issue. By far.
If they didn’t feel sold on a franchise guy with what was available, I’m okay with that, but COME ON!!!! If that’s what you’re giving up, you get below value in return!!!
In Bills eyes, we just gave up a frnachise QB. For that?!!!!!!! Is that juice worth the squeeze?
Hell no. No today and twice on Sunday. No.
Prices don’t always go up.
DS, I love ya. You’re smart, pragmatic, logical, you always remove emotion from an argument, and you work it through its paces as well as anyone I know.
But I have to disagree. Yes, yes they do. Whether it makes any semblance of sense or not, they do. They always do. Always. It’s almost a law of relativity in the NFL.
And the Eagles were clearly, CLEARLY desperate.
That has got to be taken advantage of. It has to be.
It was a ball drop.
And I’m talkin a Byner in the AFC Championship game ball drop. That level of a fumble.
First off, I think Wunkle just has sour grapes because he released a mock draft just a couple hours before the trade was announced. 🙂
Secondly, I don’t think @Shooter remembers the hype that was RG3 before the draft. Plenty of people were saying he could go above Luck and be chosen first overall. The difference between them and this draft is substantial. Luck and RG3 were both possible 1st overall picks in any draft. The only reason RG3 ‘fell’ to 2 is Luck. It was completely different than this draft. These guys aren’t once in a decade prospects. They are just two intriguing QB’s at the top of their draft class. Both have substantial questions. Luck and RG3 were clean. If RG3 was in this draft class, he’d be in a tier all his own. It would have taken three 1st rounders and a second to move up to get him in this draft.
@Shooter it’s not often we disagree, and I can certainly understand why you would want us to get more (who doesn’t want to get more?). Answer this one question:
What did Washington gain from the RG3 trade?
Washington gained the ability to move in front of the #3 team (Cleveland) to select RG3 (sorry @Ice, no one was ever taking RG3 over Luck, despite what the articles said). The Rams had Bradford on the roster, and weren’t choosing to pass on RG3 so much as they were choosing to stay with Bradford.
Contrast that to the QB hungry Browns who have McCown and the heavily abused RG3 on the roster. We aren’t sticking with McCown or RG3, we are passing on Goff or Wentz (or both). I wouldn’t be surprised if Lynch is their guy at this point, and if that is the case, this trade was absolute genius. Not only does he have all the physical attributes of a Big Ben/Joe Flacco, if he was the Browns target from day one they just received a king’s ransom to take him @ 8 instead of 2. In this regard, the NFL draft is very much a game of chess. Now, I’m on the record as wanting Goff. However, if the F.O. disagrees with my assessment of Goff (or Wunkle’s opinion of Wentz) that doesn’t mean they are wrong. They have given themselves the ammo to add top quality talent at the top of this draft. As such, I’m willing to suspend judgement until I see who they draft and what the put on the field. If they draft first year pro-bowlers @ 8 and 32 and select Cook/Hackenberg in a later round, stashing them on the bench for a few years and developing them into a franchise QB, it’s going to be hard to argue against this move now. I think the hardest part is the fear that we’re the “same old Browns” and our history of passing on top notch talent will bite us again (Ngata/Jones/Roethlisberger/Rodgers). That is possible, but it is also possible that the best QB in this draft is currently considered the 5 or 6th best QB prospect. If the Browns can identify and develop that player (and believe me I understand that our history gives no hope for such optimism), where he was drafted will be irrelevant.
I am encouraged by what I have seen so far. This is a true rebuild. We are not just switching schemes. I never expected we would land Hue Jackson. We did. I never thought we’d get Ray Horton back. We did. I never would have imagined that the Browns could have gotten Paul DePodesta out of baseball and into football. Sure, maybe the Patriots could have swung something like that, but the Browns?
I’m not drinking the kool-aid just yet, but I have seen enough to believe that the suspension of judgement until more evidence is available is the most prudent course right now. I didn’t like that they let Mack, Dansby and Whitner go. I’m not sold on RG3 as an NFL QB (for the record, I was in favor of the Browns taking him at 3 in the draft before Washington took that bullet for us). Let’s see what they come away with in the draft. While unorthodox, these are highly educated individuals that have means and methods not available to anyone else. If nothing else, it could make the draft far more interesting than we ever expected.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I don’t think @Shooter remembers the hype that was RG3 before the draft.
Ooooooooooh yes I do. I not only remember it, but I also remember how we were trying to swing a deal almost similar to the Skins to move up and get him because there was soooooooo much hype surrounding him. I also remember how much I was praying and hoping that we didn’t win the battle and tug-of-war for him, and breathed a sigh of relief when the Skins prevailed.
Yes, yes I do. I very much do.
Plenty of people were saying he could go above Luck and be chosen first overall.
C’mon now. There were a few idiots who came out said that maybe he should be, but let’s be real here, i was Luck at #1 and it was a no doubter.
The difference between them and this draft is substantial.
I completely agree. i wasn’t trying to say otherwise, just pointing out some similarities.
These guys aren’t once in a decade prospects.
Agreed.
Luck and RG3 were clean
Disagree. Luck was. RG3 had question marks.
And rightfully so. (As has been proven by time now).
Shooter it’s not often we disagree
True, hardly ever in fact.
What did Washington gain from the RG3 trade?
I already know where you’re going here on this one, and to be honest was a major point of contention in the studio today while we debated this.
The answer is nothing.
I’ll grant that. neither to be honest, did the Rams, if all things are equal.
But that’s besides the point. At the end of the day, that comes down to shitty drafting then, on both of their parts. And as it pertains to this team, we know that story all too well.
That’s the rub.
The rest of what you said, I agree with the gist of it. It comes down to who you take, when you take them.
I got into an argument with my uncle today because he argued we should draft defense first and made the point “we never take defense in the 1st round, and that’s where you build a team first”.
Really Uncle Chuck? Barkevious Mingo? Justin Gilbert? Danny Shelton?
It’s not when you pick, it’s who. Offense or defense, if all you pick are scrubs, you suck. That’s how the NFL works, end of story.
The Browns, pick scrubs.
Every year, on both sides of the ball. Year after year. Team building goes out the window if the players you pick are nobodies.
Let’s see what they come away with in the draft.
Not to be cynical, but really? I mean we have no choice and I get that, but sweet Christ, isn’t that always what we say for the new regime? Isn’t that always the line? How many times have we heard that, and then been burned?
While unorthodox, these are highly educated individuals that have means and methods not available to anyone else.
That sounds like a real nice way of saying they’re trying to re-invent the wheel. Why do we always have to have a front office that is “smarter” than everyone else? Why do these guys always “know something the rest of the league doesn’t”?
Every time I’ve heard that, we draft a Brandon fucking Weeden and watch it go tits up almost instantly. No, sorry, I don’t wanna hear that shit about how highly educated they are. I want some fucking football people that pick football players. That’s all. I’m not asking for much here. I’m sick of finding year after year new found fandagled ways to do shit. Quit petting the cat backwards every year and just pick players that don’t suck!
If nothing else, it could make the draft far more interesting than we ever expected.
Well buddy, the NFL draft in Cleveland is never uninteresting. We at least have that lol.
We have no weapons on offense, our defense is going to be in shambles, our offensive line is a mess, and we’re instituting new systems on both sides of the ball. Either rookie QB would have been starting by week three, and we would have completely Tim Couched them.
Now, we can pick a WR and a defensive cornerstone in the first round, load up on some more young talent in the first two or three, get our system in place, and give our rookie QB a fighting chance in 2017. There’s very strong odds of both our and the eagles picks being in the top 10…and even if it’s only one or the other, we’ll have the ammunition we need to trade up and take the QB of our choosing.
I don’t think @Shooter remembers the hype that was RG3 before the draft.
Ooooooooooh yes I do. I not only remember it, but I also remember how we were trying to swing a deal almost similar to the Skins to move up and get him because there was soooooooo much hype surrounding him. I also remember how much I was praying and hoping that we didn’t win the battle and tug-of-war for him, and breathed a sigh of relief when the Skins prevailed.
Yes, yes I do. I very much do.You were not the only one relieved by our inability to trade up. I was glad Washington out-stupided us.
Plenty of people were saying he could go above Luck and be chosen first overall.
C’mon now. There were a few idiots who came out said that maybe he should be, but let’s be real here, i was Luck at #1 and it was a no doubter.
Idiots are people too. You don’t have to look further than elections to see that. I’m fairly certain that all of us would have preferred Luck to RG3 but some people that are paid to share their opinions would have taken RG3 before luck. That’s why they’re paid to share their opinions and not paid to run football teams.
We have no weapons on offense, our defense is going to be in shambles, our offensive line is a mess, and we’re instituting new systems on both sides of the ball. Either rookie QB would have been starting by week three, and we would have completely Tim Couched them.
Now, we can pick a WR and a defensive cornerstone in the first round, load up on some more young talent in the first two or three, get our system in place, and give our rookie QB a fighting chance in 2017. There’s very strong odds of both our and the eagles picks being in the top 10…and even if it’s only one or the other, we’ll have the ammunition we need to trade up and take the QB of our choosing.A valid point. I’m of the opinion that if there’s a QB in the draft that you rate as a possible franchise QB and you don’t have a franchise QB on your roster then you grab that QB. That’s apparently not the situation here. It looks like Sashi & co don’t think there are 2 QB’s in this draft worth taking in the top 5. That being the case they are doing the smart thing by NOT taking a QB and instead reaping a whirlwind of picks.
Not to be cynical, but really? I mean we have no choice and I get that, but sweet Christ, isn’t that always what we say for the new regime? Isn’t that always the line? How many times have we heard that, and then been burned?
Isn’t that what should always be said of a new regime? What ties do they have to the regimes of the past that indicate they are complicit with the sins of the previous regimes? Are they not innocent until proven guilty? The previous regime is our baggage, not theirs. If you project the mistakes of the past regimes onto them, your opinion will quickly polarize and you’ll lose objectivity, not because of their performance, but because of your own fear and bias. If we expect every new regime to save the organization (a tough enough task in its own right) and right the wrongs of the previous regimes, we create an insurmountable challenge for them that further retards our development. This is why the change of culture is SO critical to the future of the Browns.
That sounds like a real nice way of saying they’re trying to re-invent the wheel. Why do we always have to have a front office that is “smarter” than everyone else? Why do these guys always “know something the rest of the league doesn’t”?
To some degree they are trying to reinvent the wheel. Not the NFL wheel, but the Cleveland wheel. Cleveland has been using squares and calling them circles since the rebirth. I would say there is likely no one on this forum that is a bigger fan of analytics than I. Remember when Haslam paid six figures for a study that told him to draft Bridgewater (who was also the QB I had been beating the drum for) then he took Manziel because “a homeless guy told me to”? That was par for the course, the Browns being Browns. This is different. This is methodical. This relies less on gut feelings (which aren’t necessarily wrong) and more on data (which isn’t necessarily right). But if the methodology isn’t flawed from the onset, you should be able to hit on some and identify the reasons you didn’t hit on others, adjust your strategy and improve your results. Without analytics, you might be successful, but you don’t know why (and believe me I get that MANY people would be happy with that). Statistically, it is much harder if you don’t keep good data. If we were to play the children’s game Memory, and I was allowed to keep records while you were forced to go off of your memory alone, I would easily win the majority of the games. In football there are certainly more variables than just picture and location, but the underlying principle is the same. That is the power of analytics.
Additionally, Haslam went out and visited successful sports organizations outside of football, looking for a common thread. He believes he’s found it, and has restructured the F.O. accordingly. This is significant because it indicates that Haslam may have finally learned to go outside of his own frame of reference and, effectively, get out of his own way. To whit, he doesn’t necessarily believe he knows something the rest of the league doesn’t, he believes he knows something our previous regimes didn’t. That he realizes the Browns will be made fun of until they start rebuilding and openly encourages skepticism is reassuring.
Every time I’ve heard that, we draft a Brandon fucking Weeden and watch it go tits up almost instantly. No, sorry, I don’t wanna hear that shit about how highly educated they are. I want some fucking football people that pick football players. That’s all. I’m not asking for much here. I’m sick of finding year after year new found fandagled ways to do shit. Quit petting the cat backwards every year and just pick players that don’t suck!
I know what “they” did, and I get why you are concerned that we will continue to be the “same old Browns”. But we don’t know what kind of people these are yet. They haven’t had a single draft or fielded a team for even one game, let alone a season. They might be football people (many “football people” are lauding the Browns for this trade), and if they are, know that we have some very intelligent football people for the first time in a long time.
The thing is, as with draft prospects, you don’t know what you have in prospects until you see them perform on Sunday. Farmer was a football guy. Horton and Turner were football guys. I have more confidence in this group than any before it because they finally realized the phases of management are like the phases of a game. Instead of Offense/Defense/Special Teams, Management groups have Acquisition/Development/Cap Management. I have every confidence that Hue Jackson will handle development. I have every confidence that Brown & Co. will handle Cap Management. The real question, in my mind, is acquisition.
What if Lynch is their guy. Ice certainly feels strong enough about him to make me believe others do as well (even if I don’t). If they get their guy at 8 instead of 2, they are freaking geniuses. Time will tell if their guy is “the guy”, but from an acquisition/strategy standpoint they maximized the value of their pick, getting ammo to move up in this draft and high picks (first/second round) in the future to ultimately draft the guy they may have been targeting from day 1. That is genius.
Then again, they may take a kicker at 8. And that’s why I am suspending judgement until after the draft. But here’s the kicker (pun intended), if our offenses remains the train wreck it has been for the last decade and that kicker wins us 8 games because he can nail 75 yard field goals, it would be one of the greatest picks of all time despite conventional wisdom.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0A valid point. I’m of the opinion that if there’s a QB in the draft that you rate as a possible franchise QB and you don’t have a franchise QB on your roster then you grab that QB. That’s apparently not the situation here. It looks like Sashi & co don’t think there are 2 QB’s in this draft worth taking in the top 5. That being the case they are doing the smart thing by NOT taking a QB and instead reaping a whirlwind of picks.
What if they agree with your assessment of Lynch? What if they feel he, and not Goff/Lynch is the best QB in this draft? I would have argued vehemently against Lynch at 8 if we were drafting at 8 with our own pick, but we’re at 8 with a boatload of other picks from the Eagles. We’re playing with house money. Lynch at 8 with the knowledge that we have an additional first rounder in 2017 and an additional second rounder in 2018, is a hedged bet because of the rest of the picks accompanying the #8.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Well, like it or not, we might not be wheeling and dealing…another trade down could very well happen. And this time, it could involve a fella who’s name you may or may not have heard before…
Joe Thomas.
Well, like it or not, we might not be wheeling and dealing…another trade down could very well happen. And this time, it could involve a fella who’s name you may or may not have heard before…
Joe Thomas.This would piss me off to no end.
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What if they agree with your assessment of Lynch? What if they feel he, and not Goff/Lynch is the best QB in this draft? I would have argued vehemently against Lynch at 8 if we were drafting at 8 with our own pick, but we’re at 8 with a boatload of other picks from the Eagles. We’re playing with house money. Lynch at 8 with the knowledge that we have an additional first rounder in 2017 and an additional second rounder in 2018, is a hedged bet because of the rest of the picks accompanying the #8.
If they think that Lynch is the best QB in this draft then you don’t move down. Just because the press has itself foaming about Goff and Wentz doesn’t mean that actual scouts agree. If you think he’s the best QB you know you’re going to have to reach a bit to get him.
doesn’t mean that actual scouts agree.
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure we fired all of ours.
Who needs scouts when you have the Calculator Club?!!
Who needs scouts when you have the Calculator Club?!!
@Shooter The calculator club runs Vegas. There’s a reason the house always wins. Having guys in the building that understand why isn’t a bad thing.
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure we fired all of ours.
Oh no! How will we draft the next Kamerion Wimbley, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Barkevious Mingo, Johnny Manziel, Justin Gilbert or Braylon Edwards without dyed in the wool football guys!?
Of course I’m just clowning (but you badmouth the calculator club again and you’re dead to me).
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I’d take him seriously Shooter, this guy’s got more rocketry knowledge than the whole of N. Korea. One minute you’re grilling out, the next minute you’re grilling out with a big rocket planting itself in your yard like a lawn dart.
Speaking of lawn darts, how did any of us survive childhood with those things available?
The calculator club runs Vegas.
Yeah, but if we were a casino we’d e set up somewhere on the outskirts of Reno. Run by the Dutch mafia.
Oh no! How will we draft the next Kamerion Wimbley, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Barkevious Mingo, Johnny Manziel, Justin Gilbert or Braylon Edwards without dyed in the wool football guys!?
I see what you did there lol.
Of course I’m just clowning (but you badmouth the calculator club again and you’re dead to me).
Sorry, I’m just employing Occam’s razor here hahahahahaha.
I’d take him seriously Shooter, this guy’s got more rocketry knowledge than the whole of N. Korea.
Not to take anything away from DS, but from the results of North Korea’s last launch attempt, so does my 7 year old son lol. DS’s rocket launch was cool as shit though!
Speaking of lawn darts, how did any of us survive childhood with those things available?
I’m citing being an only child as my sole reason for survival. No idiot older brother to impale one of those things into my sternum.
Just heard it. YAY! NO WENTZ!!!!So happy about that. I’m guessing they have a 2nd round Dalton type in mind. Wunkle – who fits that mold?
To recap so far Wentz has looked like a veteran starter and has the eagles 2-0
Lynch got beat by a 6th round choice from Northwestern.
And Goff can’t even make it to the gameday roster with HORRIBLE QB play coming from Kolb the rams starter.
Not that it isn’t “KNOWN” but Soup you are an idiot and know nothing about QB’s or football.
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He looked good last night, but he’s also played the Browns and the Bears. Not exactly the NFL elite. A lot of guys last night were wide open in a way you ever see in the NFL. I’m still gonna hold off on anointing him till he does it against better competition.
Also, if he keeps playing like he did last night, he’ll be dead by week 4. He took a bunch of brutal, unnecessary hits.
He looked good last night, but he’s also played the Browns and the Bears. Not exactly the NFL elite. A lot of guys last night were wide open in a way you ever see in the NFL. I’m still gonna hold off on anointing him till he does it against better competition.
Also, if he keeps playing like he did last night, he’ll be dead by week 4. He took a bunch of brutal, unnecessary hits.Peterson is early favorite for coach of the year. He’s refusing to allow Wentz to hurt them.
Vs us 27 of his 37 passes the ball traveled behind the LOS to 10 yards. All short quick 1 read throws.
No splits available for last night, however he started 9 for 11……for 49 yards. 4.5 YPA. Finished 5.6 YPA.
Peterson is bringing him along ultra slow as a game manager. His TD yesterday? 1st and goal at the 2. He threw the ball to the 5 on a screen pass.
In half 2 yesterday the Bears had also lost both starting safeties, starting nickel back and their starting DT.
The real Eagles story is their defense which as really allowed only 17 points in 2 games. The other 7 came on a punt return TD. They very dominated.
Next week is the first true test against the Steelers. A real team that actually has a shot at the Super Bowl this year
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