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I really don’t understand this trade. Sure, Collins is good, but he’s a FA at the end of the year. So, you either just gave up a 3rd rounder for a player for 8 games in a lost season who’s going to leave, or you’re going to give him an incredibly overpriced monster contract to keep him.
Seems like a complete waste of a 3rd round pick to me.
He’s a really good player, he only just turned 27, and he’s entering his prime. He’ll demand a ridiculous contract and why the hell shouldn’t we offer him one? This is a huge defensive upgrade, a pro bowl player for a 3rd round compensatory pick.
Okay. If you’re cool with paying him Von Miller money, I guess I am too then.
And make no mistake, Von Miller money is exactly what he wants.
It if we let him walk, wouldn’t we likely get a compensatory pick for him?? So….say we can’t get a deal worked out for a reasonable offer, we would basically just push our compensatory pick back a year, assuming he fetches a 3rd rounder. And we have a net loss of free agents.
Is that right, or am I misunderstanding how compensatory picks work?
It if we let him walk, wouldn’t we likely get a compensatory pick for him?? So….say we can’t get a deal worked out for a reasonable offer, we would basically just push our compensatory pick back a year, assuming he fetches a 3rd rounder. And we have a net loss of free agents.
Is that right, or am I misunderstanding how compensatory picks work?If this is the case, then the trade would actually make some sense. AS of now I don’t understand this move at all. Schobert is bad, I knew that since he’s been starting and yesterday is the first time I’ve heard his name. But on an 0-8 team?
My fear is Haslam is pulling a @dude so they are reaching to win that one game so he doesn’t fire everyone.
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It if we let him walk, wouldn’t we likely get a compensatory pick for him?? So….say we can’t get a deal worked out for a reasonable offer, we would basically just push our compensatory pick back a year, assuming he fetches a 3rd rounder. And we have a net loss of free agents.
Is that right, or am I misunderstanding how compensatory picks work?
I honestly have no idea. And further, from what I’m led to believe, we’re trading them a comensatory 3rd rounder, which again from I understand, is actually different that a regular 3rd rounder.
I think.
I have no idea actually, I have to read up on it.
A client I have is from Boston. Collins wanted too much money and ad libs rather than follow the playbook. That’s why he was traded for peanuts
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Like I said, he wants Von Miller money.
He’s a great player. Is he a $100 million player though? Cause that’s what it’s going to take to keep him here. At minimum.
Who cares about the money. Not our concern. Him ad libbing instead of following the play book is a major concern
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Him ad libbing instead of following the play book is a major concern
#1 That “ad libbing” comes from Michael Lombardi. Please, tell me Soup, when did you start listening to Mike Lombardi?
#2 Hue already said “well if that’s the case, he can come freelance for me, I don’t care what happened in New England”.
Who cares about the money.
Well, I do. When you start handing out 100 million dollar contracts to players, guess what happens?
You plunge yourself into cap hell, you can’t pay other players, and your team sucks. See Flacco, Joe…..Brees, Drew……Luck, Andrew……..Colin Kaepernick, Jay Cutler, Ndamakong Suh, JJ Watt…….notice anything about the respective teams of any of these guys? Here’s a hint: None of them were or are in the playoffs since those deals were signed.
How’d Eli and the Giants do in the playoffs last year? Oh, they didn’t make it? The hell you say. What’s that, the Carolina Panthers had to get rid of some key people from last years team because Cam newton is making a bajillion dollars and they couldn’t afford to pay them? Yeah, they’re 2-5 and imploding. Matt Stafford/Megatron in Detroit? Lose every year.
The only exceptions I can think of are Aaron Rodgers with the Packers and Matt Ryan with the Falcons (and even that last one is a stretch because up until this year, the Falcons sucked too).
You start handing out 100 million dollar contracts, the only thing you can do is hope that you hit on a bunch of your drafted players and that you win a superbowl before their rookie contracts expire because you can’t pay for shit else and your team as a whole suffers mightily.
Who cares about money?
I do. And yes, I find it to be a concern, and for very, very valid reasons.
Actually that came from a client I have from Boston who’s a die hard Patriots fan. Had nothing to do with Dumbardi. As for mobey, I don’t care. They hired guys for salary cap.not my concern.
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The Browns worrying about salary cap space right now is like Jill Stein worrying about the color of drapes she’s going to hang in the Oval Office. The Browns got a great young player with little risk if he doesn’t sign a deal (we have plenty of cap space and no one else to tag, so…). Given that this roster is devoid of talent, I love the addition. He is the closest thing we’ve seen to a Ray Lewis/Terrell Suggs type dominator and he will be the leader on this defense for the next 8 games (and hopefully the next 4-5 years plus). I’m sure he’s going to have a chip on his shoulder after this and playing angry won’t be an issue.
Bottom line, we got a top 5 talent for a third round pick and we’re in the same situation we’ve been in with players like Alex Mack, Travis Benjamin, Mitchell Schwartz and Jabaal Sheard at the end of the season. Draft picks are great, but eventually you have to pay guys who produce. The Patriots have Brady (13.7 M), Solder (10.3 M), Hightower (7.8 M), Gronk (6.6 M) and Bennett (5.1 M) with another 7 players counting for more than 4 Million against the cap apiece.
Make no mistake, this was a coup by Sashi Brown and the much maligned mathematics department of the Cleveland Browns. When our defense gets some help in the secondary we’re going to be a force to be reckoned with. Shelton, Meder, Nassib, Ogbah and now Collins are the foundation of what will be a nasty front 7 for years to come.
The Browns just got their first win of the season.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0The Browns worrying about salary cap space right now is like Jill Stein worrying about the color of drapes she’s going to hang in the Oval Office.
That’s hilarious.
And don’t get me wrong I’m aware that the Browns have a stupid amount of cap space available. Those 100 mil contracts just scare the shit out of me. They wreck every team that signs one.
At the very least, the Browns have the option of slapping him with the franchise tag next year. i say ya let him play this year out, ya tag him, and see how he plays the following season. If he’s all that, sure, I guess I can get on board with backing up the brinks truck.
We don’t get compensatory picks for a player we didn’t draft.
It all comes down to how he plays and who he takes off the field. Imagine how many opportunities there could be with him, Ogbah, and Nassib all on the field at the same time. The two young guys have been doing great getting pressure, add Collins to the mix at Joker and maybe we actually put a little defense together.
The Browns are $48mil under the cap. If we gave him a 6 year contract with $48m payable as a bonus this season, then salaries based on production that’d be pretty dope. I don’t think that can happen, but you can’t deny the dopeness.
I get your concern, but look at the Cap Table:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/
We literally have 6 players above the 3 Million dollar mark. Move that mark to 4 Million so that it’s apples to apples with the Patriots figures I provided, and the number drops to 5 (compared to 12 with the Patriots).
I guess my point is that you have to have talent on the roster worthy of those numbers before you start worrying about cap space. RG3 is on IR, and two of our guys on the list (McCown, Williams) are long in the tooth and will be riding off into the sunset soon. Of the remaining roster, do you see anyone else that looks like a high dollar (I mean anywhere close to $100 million) resigning?
Bitonio
Shelton
Nassib
Ogbah
Coleman
PryorAt the end of the day, you are complaining about paying a LB that Fox Sports had ranked #2 overall and said:
There aren’t many players who can rush the passer, stop running backs in their tracks and return an interception 51 yards after reading the quarterback perfectly. Jamie Collins can do all of those things. Playing outside linebacker for the Patriots, Collins is a utility knife on defense who impacts a game in a variety of ways. Just look at his numbers. In 12 games last season, he recorded 89 tackles, 5.5 sacks, one interception and five forced fumbles. That’s in three-quarters of a season. The year prior, he played 15 games and his numbers were even better (116 tackles, two interceptions and four forced fumbles). If he can stay healthy, which he’s done in his career outside of a freak illness last season, Collins will continue to rise as one of the more recognizable and outstanding defenders in the league. He’s a player the Patriots can’t let go of, and they likely won’t now that they don’t have to pay Chandler Jones.
Ranking the Top 10: Jamie Collins
I guess my argument is that paying Collins is a GREAT problem to have, especially since we are as flush with cash as we are devoid of talent. And have you been on the NE forums and message boards? No one, and I mean no one, is happy about this on the Patriots side. They are legitimately pissed off and feel like the Browns, the shitty, last place, couldn’t win if their lives depended on it, Cleveland Browns just fleeced them.
I know we’re all entitled to our own opinions, but I just don’t see any downside here. I’m thrilled that even in a “rebuilding year” 0-8 is not acceptable and I cannot believe they went out and got a player of this caliber for a third round compensatory pick (it could potentially be a 4th if the NFL doesn’t award Clevbeland a 3rd).
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0We don’t get compensatory picks for a player we didn’t draft.
It all comes down to how he plays and who he takes off the field. Imagine how many opportunities there could be with him, Ogbah, and Nassib all on the field at the same time. The two young guys have been doing great getting pressure, add Collins to the mix at Joker and maybe we actually put a little defense together.
The Browns are $48mil under the cap. If we gave him a 6 year contract with $48m payable as a bonus this season, then salaries based on production that’d be pretty dope. I don’t think that can happen, but you can’t deny the dopeness.https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/NFL-ANNOUNCES-33-COMPENSATORY-DRAFT-CHOICES-TO-13-CLUBS.aspx
It only considers FA lost/gained. Doesn’t take it account if the team drafted them or not.
I guess the more I look at this the ridiculous amount of cap space the browns have available makes this a good move.
I guess now my only concern would be can we convince him to sign here? Yeah, we have the luxury of tagging him, but more times than not that winds up pissing a player off because they want long term security. I think if we’re going to plan on having this guy here, they need to start hammering out a long term deal now.
We don’t get compensatory picks for a player we didn’t draft. It all comes down to how he plays and who he takes off the field. Imagine how many opportunities there could be with him, Ogbah, and Nassib all on the field at the same time. The two young guys have been doing great getting pressure, add Collins to the mix at Joker and maybe we actually put a little defense together. The Browns are $48mil under the cap. If we gave him a 6 year contract with $48m payable as a bonus this season, then salaries based on production that’d be pretty dope. I don’t think that can happen, but you can’t deny the dopeness.
https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/NFL-ANNOUNCES-33-COMPENSATORY-DRAFT-CHOICES-TO-13-CLUBS.aspx
It only considers FA lost/gained. Doesn’t take it account if the team drafted them or not.Too lazy to google. I knew just stating an incorrect fact would get one of you guys to do it for me. 🙂
Also did you know that in Nordic “Denver” means “Rusty meat hook”?
Calling it right now – he will end up a Patriot next year. BB pulled a fast one over Cleveland.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Calling it right now – he will end up a Patriot next year. BB pulled a fast one over Cleveland.
So Belichick values what’s essentially an early 4th round pick more than a player helping him win the Super Bowl? That makes no sense at all.
Freedom!!!
Calling it right now – he will end up a Patriot next year. BB pulled a fast one over Cleveland.
So Belichick values what’s essentially an early 4th round pick more than a player helping him win the Super Bowl? That makes no sense at all.
Soup do you think you are more intelligent than Bill Belichick?
Do you think this guy is worth a 4th round pick.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Calling it right now – he will end up a Patriot next year. BB pulled a fast one over Cleveland.
So Belichick values what’s essentially an early 4th round pick more than a player helping him win the Super Bowl? That makes no sense at all.
Soup do you think you are more intelligent than Bill Belichick?
Do you think this guy is worth a 4th round pick.Bill Belichick actually makes a lot of bad moves, like Ochocinco. He just wins regardless, so he gets away with it and doesn’t get criticized.
Calling it right now – he will end up a Patriot next year. BB pulled a fast one over Cleveland.
So Belichick values what’s essentially an early 4th round pick more than a player helping him win the Super Bowl? That makes no sense at all.
Soup do you think you are more intelligent than Bill Belichick?
Do you think this guy is worth a 4th round pick.Your question is invalid.
You stated Belichick is fleecing us because he’s trading him to us for essentially a 4th round pick and will then resign him next year and still have our pick. That means you are stating that Belichick values the 4th round pick more than a guy he feels can help him win this year.
Am I saying the guy is worth the 4th round pick we gave? I have no idea and neither do tou. He hasn’t stepped on the field for us yet.
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