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I hope so, because he isn’t going anywhere. That’s right boys and girls, it’s time to find your seat on the Josh Gordon train because we’re all gonna go for another ride on it.
Remember Hue’s “we’re moving on?” Yeah, Sashi says we aren’t, and that basically we’d be stupid to.
F-ck Josh Gordon. He’s the Chumbawamba of the NFL; one hit wonder. Couldn’t keep straight for 10 minutes just so he could cash the huge check the NFL was about to give him. Football is a much lower priority in his life than it is ours. I’ve been to more NFL games than he has in the last 3 years. He’s false hope. He’s the man who built his house upon the sand. Go do some more lines with Johnny Rotten, and do it again right before you’re eligible to apply for reinstatement you stupid ass. I’d bet on Cam Erving stopping Warren Sapp in his prime over betting that Josh Gordon is going to be a productive member of the Cleveland Browns for even half a season. If there’s a Josh Gordon train, count me the f- out.
I’m with Ice. I was his biggest defender when he missed 10 games for a positive test where sample A was barely over the limit and B was under and the average was under and they made the limit higher but didn’t apply it to Gordon retroactively and all that. BUT, that was like 3 F ups ago. He’s had chance after chance after chance and he has pissed them all away.
It’s become a running joke in my FF league because I draft JG every year and he never plays. Last year was the last straw. There’s no point in falling for that false hope that he’s gonna play for the 68th time.
I don’t disagree with you guys.
But, I do share the opinion of the Front Office in that if Josh Gordon is eligible to play football, he should be doing so for the Browns.
It would be very Browns-like to let this dude go, then watch him get his shit together and be a top 5 receiver (which inarguably he’s capable of) for the next 7 seasons…..somewhere else.
Just sayin.
If there’s a Josh Gordon train, count me the f- out.
I don’t think you have much of a choice in the matter. It’s going to be a story line for this team whether you like it or not. So, buckle your seat belt, you’re riding anyway.
I don’t disagree with you guys.
But, I do share the opinion of the Front Office in that if Josh Gordon is eligible to play football, he should be doing so for the Browns.
It would be very Browns-like to let this dude go, then watch him get his shit together and be a top 5 receiver (which inarguably he’s capable of) for the next 7 seasons…..somewhere else.
Just sayin.I agree. I hope he gets his shit together and tears it up for us. Do I expect him back? Not at all. If he’s really clean Goodell won’t allow him in the NFL as long as he’s a Brown as that makes him a threat to beat his precious Steelers.
buckle your seat belt, you’re riding anyway.
I said the same thing to your mom last night.
BOOM!
Mom jokes never get old.
Freedom!!!
That’s the rub, isn’t it? There’s no value in dropping him. You can’t even call it addition by subtraction, because none of his teammates have ever really complained about him. You drop him, and all I can think of is Gene Wilder as Willy Wonk yelling “YOU GET NOTHING!!!”
Best value is to keep him around, and if he plays well, let him walk as a FA in a couple years when his rookie deal is up and get a compensatory pick, or trade him if you can find a sucker.
But you absolutely can’t factor him in to any discussions ever because there’s a 0.05% chance he EVER plays in the NFL again.
But, I do share the opinion of the Front Office in that if Josh Gordon is eligible to play football, he should be doing so for the Browns.
I do not think you share the opinion of the front office at all. All evidence points to the contrary. I believe that if he is ever reinstated the Browns will try to trade him, and failing that they’ll cut him. How many times can a guy lie straight to your face and you still believe him? How many times can you say “this is your last chance” and then give him another? This team, this front office, and this city is done with Josh Gordon.
If he’s really clean Goodell won’t allow him in the NFL as long as he’s a Brown as that makes him a threat to beat his precious Steelers.
Ya know I was just saying to myself “It’s been a while since Soup said something totally ridiculous. I wonder how long it’ll be”.
Thank you for answering my question. That quote is pure, unfiltered nonsense.
This team, this front office, and this city is done with Josh Gordon.
Well, the quotes by Sashi Brown from that article say the complete opposite. So…..
If he’s really clean Goodell won’t allow him in the NFL as long as he’s a Brown as that makes him a threat to beat his precious Steelers.
Ya know I was just saying to myself “It’s been a while since Soup said something totally ridiculous. I wonder how long it’ll be”.
Thank you for answering my question. That quote is pure, unfiltered nonsense.My mom joke was pure gold. No mention?
Freedom!!!
My mom joke was pure gold. No mention?
It came from the line “you’re riding anyway”. Seemed a bit rapey to me.
My mom joke was pure gold. No mention?
It came from the line “you’re riding anyway”. Seemed a bit rapey to me.
Good point. I’m a sick fuck. Clearly didn’t mean it that way.
As for my Gordon statement. While crazy to the naked eye, he did re-suspend Gordon for making the personal decision to go into rehab. He never failed an NFL test and got suspended for making a conscious decision to clean up. What that clueless idiot Goodell doesn’t understand is:
1. Forcing a person into rehab is a guaranteed failure. An addict will NOT be successful in recovery unless they choose to go on their own free will.
2. His action of suspending a guy making that decision just gave addicts an excuse to not make that decision to get better.
Goodell has zero logic at all. They banned leaping because it’s too dangerous yet they play on Thursday which actually dangerous unlike leaping.
Freedom!!!
Good point. I’m a sick fuck. Clearly didn’t mean it that way.
Lol, too late.
As for the rest, you’ll get no argument from me that Goodell has been atrocious in his handling of Gordon from the start. Actually, since before the start. He forced him to enter into the league in stage 2 of the drug program for failed college tests, something expressly forbidden in the CBA.
That whole 15 nanogram/B-sample was a passA-sample was a fail/bullshit suspension……among others. Goodell is every bit the power-wielding, dictatorial, hypocritical narcissistic asshole with a razor thin ego that you make him out to be. We agree completely.
However, saying that Gordon is never going to be reinstated because he doesn’t want the Browns to beat the Steelers is still an amazing stretch, and a very flimsy argument.
Calling him an unfair shitbag? I’ll sing with you in that choir all day long. But wild conspiracy theories? No, I’ll pass.
IIRC Goodell didn’t “re-suspend” Gordon. Gordon decided to go to rehab the day before he was eligible to apply for reinstatement. Again, correct me if I’m wrong because I’m too lazy to google. But that’s a big difference from Goodell choosing to suspend him again for going to rehab.
I’m enjoying @Shooter’s excuses for Gordon. ‘He entered the NFL in stage 2.’ ‘That first test was bullshit.’ If anything Gordon should have entered the NFL in stage 5 and the only thing bullshit about that first failed test is that he didn’t fail 20 tests before that because he’s failed that many since. Goodell didn’t cause Gordon to be where he is, Gordon did. Tagliabue would have ejected his ass too.
IIRC Goodell didn’t “re-suspend” Gordon. Gordon decided to go to rehab the day before he was eligible to apply for reinstatement. Again, correct me if I’m wrong because I’m too lazy to google. But that’s a big difference from Goodell choosing to suspend him again for going to rehab.
I’m enjoying @shooter‘s excuses for Gordon. ‘He entered the NFL in stage 2.’ ‘That first test was bullshit.’ If anything Gordon should have entered the NFL in stage 5 and the only thing bullshit about that first failed test is that he didn’t fail 20 tests before that because he’s failed that many since. Goodell didn’t cause Gordon to be where he is, Gordon did. Tagliabue would have ejected his ass too.You’re wrong, lol.
Goodell reinstated Gordon with a 4 game suspension as a condition for reinstatement. He served the 4 game suspension, so he was able to be put on the active roster.
When he went into rehab, Goodell put him on his double-secret probation type no-justification-needed commissioners exemption list without ever giving an explanation.
The whole situation makes no sense unless you assume Gordon toked up and went to rehab to avoid another positive test. If you assume that, it all makes perfect sense. Which, I think, is why he never bothered to fight any of it. Because he knows he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
Again, correct me if I’m wrong because I’m too lazy to google.
Dawg E. Dawg explained it correctly.
I’m enjoying @shooter‘s excuses for Gordon.
Okay, let me explain this. Do I think that Josh Gordon is ultimately responsible for himself? Yes, yes I do. Do I think he’s made poor choices and put himself in this position? Yes, yes I do.
Has he been unfairly, harshly, and ridiculously targeted, ridden, railroaded, and screwed over by a heavy handed, inconsistent “I make-shit-up-as-I-go” commissioner? Oh my God it not even a question.
Josh Gordon has been suspended 33 games by Roger Goodell for, follow me here: cough medicine (1st suspension), having 2 cocktails on the team plane (with coaches present, after the season was over), and a failed drug test that had 1 passing sample, but also 1 failing sample that was 15 nanograms over the limit (a limit which has since been more than tripled to trigger a fail).
You can say that I’m making excuses all you like, and I guess I can own that, because if you read the above 3 examples and feel that it warrants 33 games of suspensions compared to countless others in the league who have done and been caught doing far worse, I don’t know what to say to you.
33 games for cough syrup, 2 cocktails on a plane, and a highly questionable failed test whose parameters have since been rescinded and changed. That’s FUCKING RIDICULOUS.
If you think the only bad things he’s done to earn his suspensions are cough syrup, 2 cocktails on a plane, and a ‘highly questionable’ failed drug test then I’ve got some bad news for you about the tooth fairy…
If you think the only bad things he’s done to earn his suspensions are cough syrup, 2 cocktails on a plane, and a ‘highly questionable’ failed drug test then I’ve got some bad news for you about the tooth fairy…
Well, the reality is, that’s what got him the 33 games.
Those are just the facts. Technically speaking, Le’veon Bell has already done worse and been caught, and has been punished what, 6 games? Total? That dude smokes weed everyday and everyone knows it. Where’s the league at on him? Where is his constant scrutiny?
I’m not trying to paint a picture of Josh Gordon as some pillar of innocence here, but what I am saying very much so is the way that he has been treated and dealt with is wildly inconsistent with anything countless others have had to deal with in the same time frame since his troubles first came up.
I mean for fucks sakes the WR coach puts up a picture on twitter of Gordon, himself, Joe Haden and a few others having a drink on a plane on the way to Vegas after the season was over and the NFL was literally waiting on the tarmac with a cup before the plane even landed to put the screws to Gordon.
You don’t think that that’s fucking insane? Over the top? Absolutely ridiculous? The league saw that picture and the plane wasn’t even on the ground yet but NFL’s verson of the Men in Black were waiting, cup in hand, just to jam him up. I don’t even have words for how stupefying that is. Who else in the league gets treated like that? Was treated like that? Has been treated like that since? It’s just outrageous.
Is Gordon innocent in all of this? No.
But to say he hasn’t been completely railroaded from the jump is naive and woefully ignorant of the actual facts.
Larry Fitzgerald literally sat right next to Goodell a few month ago and said that NFL players smoke weed, and that it’s very easy to get away with. As he sat RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.
The league wants to paint this picture of Josh Gordon as some careless, habitual drug offender with no desire to get on the straight and narrow and continue his career, which is total bullshit, all the while full-well knowing that there are droves of players doing far worse on a daily basis and yet they do nothing to any of them.
That…….is fucking bullshit.
So here’s how it works. When you lose a tooth and put it under your pillow, your parents actually wait until you fall asleep and sneak into your room and replace the tooth with money. There is no tooth fairy. I’m sorry.
Also you’re only looking at the tip of the iceberg wrt Gordon. He’s a habitual drug user and just because the only things we know he used are pot and sizzurp doesn’t mean that’s all the NFL knows about him. They aren’t allowed to make public what they know. He could have been caught doing bumps off of Goodell’s wife for all we know, which would explain why Goodell hates him. Remember Gordon is BFF’s with Johnny 8-ball and his coke habit is not exactly a secret. Gordon could have tested positive for any number of substances throughout the years but the NFL can’t tell you that. His agent can leak whatever he wants. He could test positive for coke and meth and the agent can say he tested positive for pot because the NFL can’t correct him.
#1 you’re still avoiding the tarmac incident. Seriously, tell me what you think about that. You think that was a perfectly normal situation? You don’t think that that entire thing was batshit crazy?
Also, I still think you’re missing my point here.
Le’veon Bell has had 2 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Checked himself into rehab.
6 games. Still in stage 2 of the NFL’s drug policy.
Josh Gordon has had 3 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Also checked himself into rehab.
33 games. On Commissioners indefinite exempt list, in stage 48 of the drug policy.
See the difference?
#1 you’re still avoiding the tarmac incident. Seriously, tell me what you think about that. You think that was a perfectly normal situation? You don’t think that that entire thing was batshit crazy?
Also, I still think you’re missing my point here.
Le’veon Bell has had 2 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Checked himself into rehab.
6 games. Still in stage 2 of the NFL’s drug policy.
Josh Gordon has had 3 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Also checked himself into rehab.
33 games. On Commissioners indefinite exempt list, in stage 48 of the drug policy.
See the difference?Never heard of Bell. What position does he play? What team does he play for?
3…..2…..1……
Freedom!!!
I’m starting to think you have more a point than I’m willing to admit lol.
It’s not just Bell either. There are numerous examples of other players, I’ve gone over them in the past.
And I’m still seething over the suspension for the drink on the team plane. Not only in how it went down, but where does the NFL have the right to ban a player from doing something that he had no issue with in the past and is completely legal?
Again it’s not excuse making on behalf of Gordon, it’s pointing out the ridiculous way that the punishment is non-comparable to previous and post incidents with other players, and the fact that it is not commensurate with the crime.
The entire situation is just bullshit.
I’m completely with you on it. Though my eyes lit up like a Christmas tree when you mentioned Bell. Lol
Freedom!!!
Le’veon Bell has had 2 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Checked himself into rehab.
6 games. Still in stage 2 of the NFL’s drug policy.
Josh Gordon has had 3 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Also checked himself into rehab.
33 games. On Commissioners indefinite exempt list, in stage 48 of the drug policy.
See the difference?There are 2 explanations for that.
1) Goodell HATES the Browns and HATES Gordon and thinks he can get away with giving Gordon 5x the penalty of Bell and no one will notice. -OR-
2) We don’t know the whole story about what Gordon has done, we only have the shiny glossy version that Gordon’s own agent has told us and the NFL is forbidden from correcting or refuting it.You and Soup seem to believe the first explanation. I think the 2nd is much more plausible.
Le’veon Bell has had 2 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Checked himself into rehab.
6 games. Still in stage 2 of the NFL’s drug policy.
Josh Gordon has had 3 violations of the substance abuse program and a DUI. Also checked himself into rehab.
33 games. On Commissioners indefinite exempt list, in stage 48 of the drug policy.
See the difference?There are 2 explanations for that.
1) Goodell HATES the Browns and HATES Gordon and thinks he can get away with giving Gordon 5x the penalty of Bell and no one will notice. -OR-
2) We don’t know the whole story about what Gordon has done, we only have the shiny glossy version that Gordon’s own agent has told us and the NFL is forbidden from correcting or refuting it.
You and Soup seem to believe the first explanation. I think the 2nd is much more plausible.Yeah, the NFL “can’t” give us the details, but somehow the details always leak out. The truth is, if there were more to the story, some anonymous source would mysteriously leak it to the press and we’d here all about it.
It happens ALL THE TIME.
Yeah, the NFL “can’t” give us the details, but somehow the details always leak out. The truth is, if there were more to the story, some anonymous source would mysteriously leak it to the press and we’d here all about it.
It happens ALL THE TIME.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeexactly!
I wonder how many items are on the non-disclosure agreement you know damn well players have to sign.
ooo cool the yearly here is why we should keep josh gordon thread right before the draft.
cant wait for the august yearly his preseason looked like he got his shit together
and finally his september 1st i failed another drug test and we need to cut him.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Yeah, the NFL “can’t” give us the details, but somehow the details always leak out. The truth is, if there were more to the story, some anonymous source would mysteriously leak it to the press and we’d here all about it.
It happens ALL THE TIME.So what substances has Manziel tested positive for? Which players entering the draft this year are immediately going into the program, and at what level? Your anecdotal ‘somehow it always leaks’ is not proof of anything except that you are desperately grasping at straws to support your theory of the grand NFL conspiracy to destroy any player who has the bad luck of joining the Browns.
So what substances has Manziel tested positive for? Which players entering the draft this year are immediately going into the program, and at what level? Your anecdotal ‘somehow it always leaks’ is not proof of anything except that you are desperately grasping at straws to support your theory of the grand NFL conspiracy to destroy any player who has the bad luck of joining the Browns.
It has very little to do with conspiracy theories. In all honesty it has more to to with consistency. Once Goodell started railraoding Gordon, he had to stick with it, lest he be badgered for, well, inconsistencies. Which ironically, is what has me all pissed off in the first place.
You bring up Johnny CokeMouth. Interesting isn’t it? We all know what this kid was up to, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 2 fucking years in Cleveland, yet nary even a hint of anyone coming close to talking about suspensions.
Explain that. Explain how that is a “known” fact, and yet in the case of Gordon, a drink on a plane or a highly questionable and disputed failed test by microscopic margins gets him slammed into the gulag in Siberia for what seems like forever?
How does that make sense? How can that be rationalized?
You got Johnny 8-ball running around the city of Cleveland for two years on social media, rolling up 100 dollar bills and blowing coke all over the entire city, treating the Metropolitan at the 9 like his own personal Tony Montana pad, he’s talking to cell phones trashed out of his gourd, he’s floating on fucking swans swilling champagne, he’s beating the shit out of his girlfriend in hotels, on the freeway, at clubs, and back at his house in Texas, is showing up to practice hammered, showing up in Vegas in a Geraldo wig blasted to kingdom come, and is basically just running around doing the best possible Keith Richards impression he can accurately portray with zero fucks to give……………and nothing.
Not a peep from the league office.
Not 1, fucking, word. At all.
But hooooooooooooooooly shit, Josh Gordon had a drink on a plane after the season was over with Joe Haden and his coaches on the way to Vegas and it’s SLAM!!!!! FUUUUUUUCK YOU DUDE, YOU CAN’T LISTEN CAN YOU? YOU CAN’T FOLLOW ORDERS CAN YOU? HOW ABOUT THIS, NOW YOU’RE GONE FOR A YEAR MOTHERUCKER. A YEAR!!! CHOKE ON THAT, MAYBE YOU’LL LEARN NOW!!! DO YOU HEAR ME NOW YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE JUNKIE? DO YOU? YOU HEAR ME NOW?
You have to admit Ice, that’s pretty fucked up. Josh Gordon was spending his suspension selling cars and staying out of trouble.
Dude, I’m not getting Soupy and saying that there’s this grandiose conspiracy against Gordon, or that he’s this innocent victim in the whole sage. I’ve said about 1,000 times now that I’m not.
But this shit with him is fucking ridiculous. It really is man. And I can’t just sit here and let it go by without making it a point of discussion because it’s just so absurd that I’m literally running out of words to describe what I’ve seen with it.
You bring up Johnny CokeMouth. Interesting isn’t it? We all know what this kid was up to, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 2 fucking years in Cleveland, yet nary even a hint of anyone coming close to talking about suspensions.
Explain that. Explain how that is a “known” fact, and yet in the case of Gordon, a drink on a plane or a highly questionable and disputed failed test by microscopic margins gets him slammed into the gulag in Siberia for what seems like forever?
How does that make sense? How can that be rationalized?
You got Johnny 8-ball running around the city of Cleveland for two years on social media, rolling up 100 dollar bills and blowing coke all over the entire city, treating the Metropolitan at the 9 like his own personal Tony Montana pad, he’s talking to cell phones trashed out of his gourd, he’s floating on fucking swans swilling champagne, he’s beating the shit out of his girlfriend in hotels, on the freeway, at clubs, and back at his house in Texas, is showing up to practice hammered, showing up in Vegas in a Geraldo wig blasted to kingdom come, and is basically just running around doing the best possible Keith Richards impression he can accurately portray with zero fucks to give……………and nothing.
Not a peep from the league office.
Not 1, fucking, word. At all.So that totally disproves @Soup’s idea that the league office punished Gordon so harshly because he’s a Brown and Goodell hates the Browns. Johnny Rotten sure gave Goodell every excuse to put another nail in the Brown’s coffin.
So since that’s off the table, I’m assuming @Shooter you think it’s something personal then between Goodell and Gordon. Like what? Why would Goodell have such hatred for Gordon that he’d risk his job to over-punish him?
Also, why haven’t the Brown’s objected to the punishment? It certainly hurts the team. Why haven’t Gordon’s agents objected to the punishment and fought it through the courts and the court of public opinion? Why silence in response to this supposed egregious over-punishment due to Goodell personally disliking Gordon? How come the only people complaining are people on fan forums? You don’t even hear the Cleveland beat reporters railing on the ‘unfair’ treatment.
It is much more likely that he’s done way more than we know about and his agent has ‘leaked’ some of his more benign actions to hide his bigger problems.
It is much more likely that he’s done way more than we know about and his agent has ‘leaked’ some of his more benign actions to hide his bigger problems.
If I’m being objective, and I try to be, I can’t discount that as a possibility.
I’m assuming @shooter you think it’s something personal then between Goodell and Gordon.
I have no idea. It might be. If it is, I have no idea why. I genuinely don’t know what the deal is, all I know is what I see, and that it started the moment Gordon was taken in the supplemental draft and he was forced to enter the league in stage 2 of the substance abuse policy for failed tests in college.
Also, why haven’t the Brown’s objected to the punishment?
On a few occasions they have. But they quickly realized that it was a losing argument, Goodell was going to do what he was going to do no matter what, so they just gave up. Much like Gordon did.
You don’t even hear the Cleveland beat reporters railing on the ‘unfair’ treatment.
There were many, but I’m going Ice Lazy on this one and saying I’m not digging them all up again lol.
Yeah, the NFL “can’t” give us the details, but somehow the details always leak out. The truth is, if there were more to the story, some anonymous source would mysteriously leak it to the press and we’d here all about it.
It happens ALL THE TIME.So what substances has Manziel tested positive for? Which players entering the draft this year are immediately going into the program, and at what level? Your anecdotal ‘somehow it always leaks’ is not proof of anything except that you are desperately grasping at straws to support your theory of the grand NFL conspiracy to destroy any player who has the bad luck of joining the Browns.
I should ammend my original statement to say it happens all the time the NFL wants it to happen. Roger cares about optics, pure and simple. That’s why Ray Rice didn’t get heavy handed punishment until AFTER the video surfaced. Roger needed to save face. If he had more facts to make his punishment of Gordon look better, he would release them.
I don’t espouse the theory that Goodell is trying to ruin the Browns by punishing Gordon. I just think Goodell has decided to make Gordon an example and punish him as much as he can. He does this to show the NFLPA he can do it and force the NFLPA to negotiate for more leniency in exchange for other things.
So, it’s not a conspiracy so much as Roger strategically manipulating the NFLPA to make concessions in areas of his choosing.
Is it unfair? Yes, because Goodell does not punish every player as much as he possibly can. Is it illegal? Nope. Goodell isn’t a judge. He’s not bound by precedence. He doesn’t have to be consistent in the way he hands out punishments because that’s the power he has.
You don’t even hear the Cleveland beat reporters railing on the ‘unfair’ treatment.
There were many, but I’m going Ice Lazy on this one and saying I’m not digging them all up again lol.
Well I didn’t hear any of it. I don’t live in Cleveland though so maybe it was all over the news.
Another thing that makes me think there is more to it is that the Browns also suspended him. They said it was for missing team meetings, but they also said Johnny Rotten had a concussion when they suspended him. Double secret probation. Remember there were always reports of him showing up overweight and out of shape, not running routes he didn’t like, not blocking, and just putting zero effort into the sport except when the lights came on.
I thought this thread was worth revisiting since it was just announced that Gordon’s reinstatement bid was denied by the NFL. On top of that Gordon’s most recent agent has fired him. Yes, the agent fired Gordon.
I believe Gordon has massive issues with substances the NFL prohibits. These issues are ongoing and not improving.
The Browns opponent week 1 is the Steelers. Goodell’s favorite team. Why would he reenstate him? FYI – Martavious Bryant was reenstated after an indefinite ban. He plays for the Steelers. Any questions?
Freedom!!!
The Browns opponent week 1 is the Steelers. Goodell’s favorite team. Why would he reenstate him? FYI – Martavious Bryant was reenstated after an indefinite ban. He plays for the Steelers. Any questions?
Yes, do microwaves set off the implants that the aliens put in your head?
I’m in agreement with Soup.
I’ll bet you $100 that Gordon is reinstated in the fall, after the season has already started and effectively wipes out one more season for him.
Reinstating him now means that he would be able to go to training camp, get in football shape, and be ready to take the field in week 1.
Denying him now and making him wait til October fucks him over yet again. The bullshit crucifixion of Josh Gordon continues.
You guys believe that Goodell is risking his job by essentially blackballing Gordon without cause? And the Player’s association, which fights EVERYTHING Goodell does, is miraculously silent on the ‘mistreatment’ of Gordon? You guys are killing me.
The dude is hooked on some drug(s). He’s not following the prescribed protocol to get back in the league. He’s never coming back. I don’t care if he does come back, he’s been out of the league since Obama started his 2nd term in office. Forget about him. He’s done.
You guys believe that Goodell is risking his job by essentially blackballing Gordon without cause?
In what way is he risking his job? He’s a dictator, he can do whatever he wants with no fear of reprisal.
He’s been railroading Gordon from the moment he was drafted, why would he stop now?
You guys believe that Goodell is risking his job by essentially blackballing Gordon without cause? And the Player’s association, which fights EVERYTHING Goodell does, is miraculously silent on the ‘mistreatment’ of Gordon? You guys are killing me.
The dude is hooked on some drug(s). He’s not following the prescribed protocol to get back in the league. He’s never coming back. I don’t care if he does come back, he’s been out of the league since Obama started his 2nd term in office. Forget about him. He’s done.NFL ratings have tanked. Fans don’t want the overkill. Fans hate London games. Fans are annoyed with games nearly every night of the week now. (That’s the real reason ratings are down. They spread too thin and since the bulk of their viewership is men – let’s face it- we get a day and maybe a night to watch football.) Not one fan respects Goodell. In fact – he’s widely hated by fans for being a douche and praising things like assault and battery on women while despising beer and claiming to want safety in the game when Thursday games are highly dangerous.
Bottom line. Goodell can do whatever he wants. For some reason he’s proved he’s untouchable while he’s destroying the NFL product.
Freedom!!!
Your conspiracy can’t just include Goodell. Co-conspirators for your theory include Baylor (who must have falsified his positive drug test), Raleigh NC police who must’ve falsified a blood-alcohol test when they arrested him for DUI (he was convicted), and Taco Bell who must have pumped sleeping gas into the car he was found asleep in. As a bonus Taco Bell must’ve been the ones to put all that marijuana in the car. Also the Browns must be involved because they didn’t fight his suspension and actually added to it, Gordon’s agents who ‘forgot’ to claim his innocence after every new suspension and then kept accidentally firing Gordon, and of course the final culprit was the NFL players association who are known to always work with Goodell against players caught using banned substances. This is a far reaching conspiracy indeed!
OR Gordon is still using weed and possibly other substances.
But no, that’s too simple.
In other Gordon news, it broke that Gordon is in dire financial straights and is looking for a new agent (since his last agent fired him) that is willing to give him an advance on his future NFL earnings. Side note, I’m also looking for an agent who will give me an advance on my future NFL earnings.
In other Gordon news, it broke that Gordon is in dire financial straights and is looking for a new agent (since his last agent fired him)
Well he hasn’t had a paycheck in 3 years. Gee, I wonder why his agent fired him?
Clearly Ice we’re on opposite sidelines in this argument. I’m okay with that, we can’t agree on everything. But let me ask you this, can you at least admit that the NFL, and Goodell specifically, are being amazingly hypocritical and woefully inconsistent with the way they are and have been handling Gordon?
You suspend a guy for a year because he drank alcohol on a team plane after the season was over because you told him he wasn’t allowed too, when your biggest sponsor is one of the largest alcohol distributors in the world. That doesn’t ring the bells of hypocrisy for you? Do you know how many drug tests Gordon has failed for Marijuana in this entire saga?
1. 1 incredibly controversial, inconsistent, flawed, and microscopically (to the point of nearly being humorous) contradictory test.
He’s failed 1 test. However, he’s passed over 100. At one point while he was actually playing, and even during the offseason, Josh Gordon was being tested 2-3 times per week. #1, that’s fucking asinine, ridiculous in it’s overkill, and borderline an invasion of privacy, and #2, he passed them.
All, of them. Every…..single…..one.
Josh Gordon has been suspended for 40+ games for:
A) testing positive for codeine from a cough syrup he had a prescription for.
B) Having 3 drinks on a team plane AFTER THE SEASON WAS OVER because the league wasn’t crystal clear on the language in it’s hypocrisy of banning him from doing something that is perfectly legal
C) Getting a DUI in North Carolina
D) failing a drug test with conflicting samples and such convoluted testing practices that had the samples simply been reversed he would have passed.That’s it. Those 4 things, and those 4 things alone are what have equated to his complete ostracism from the NFL. Now I’ll grant that of those 4, the DUI stands out as a major infraction. It is. However, he’s hardly the 1st NFL player to ever get a DUI. There are people playing in the league right now that have had multiple ones.
Don’t you think it’s fair to say that there have been, and even currently are, players in this league that have done far worse and are still playing? Pacman Jones just got arrested for what, the 10th time now? He’ll be playing on Sunday this fall. There’s a guy in a wheelchair because of his shit in a strip club because he got all shot up by Jones’ posse. Donte Stallworth literally killed a guy while drinking and driving, he was allowed to put a helmet on again. Is Joe Mixon already in stage 2 of the personal conduct policy because of what he did 3 years ago? How is Leveon Bell not in deeper shit than Gordon? He’s failed more drug tests and had a DUI for marijuana. 2 games, 2 times.
As I have stated numerous, numerous times when debating the Josh Gordon epic, I’m not saying nor have I ever said he is without fault. He’s is very much to blame for putting himself in very bad situations, and for making some seriously boneheaded decisions. I’m not debating that. I’ll agree with it wholeheartedly.
All I’m saying is that the NFL’s handling of the entire situation, from the very very beginning, has been nothing short of an eye-rolling, unprecedented, inconsistent, are-you-fucking-kidding-me-fest that is completely nonsensical.
That and if Roger Goodell and Sean Spicer switched jobs, I doubt anyone would even notice.
Can’t you at least objectively say that all of what I bring up has merit?
Sorry Shoots, you’re wrong on the facts. He failed multiple drug tests in college. He failed one test in the NFL that we know about, but has surely failed others that have not been made public. Remember the NFL does not make drug tests public at all; the player or his agents do. In the past they have occasionally leaked but not always. He also had a DUI while he was supposed to not be drinking at all. That likely has more to do with his punishment than the drink he had on a plane. One week before he was up for reinstatement, Gordon put himself in rehab. Kind of an admission of a problem, don’t you think? He’s not staying clean and that’s why he’s not getting reinstated. Multiple agents have dumped him because he’s not staying clean and they don’t see him as worth the trouble. How bad does he have to be for an agent to decline potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with him? Currently he has no agent because no one wants to represent a guy who is addicted to drugs and in a self-destructive spiral.
I can admit that the punishments the NFL give out are inconsistent, flawed, and almost always controversial, but can you admit that Gordon is the cause of his own problems and not Goodell?
I can admit that the punishments the NFL give out are inconsistent, flawed, and almost always controversial,
Fair enough, that’s all I was looking for.
but can you admit that Gordon is the cause of his own problems
I did.
and not Goodell?
No, I cannot. Goodell has railroaded him from the jump.
Sorry Shoots, you’re wrong on the facts.
Which ones? Failing drug tests in college is irrelevant, specifically stated so in the current CBA, so that point is out the window.
but has surely failed others that have not been made public.
As much as you like to say that, it’s nothing more than speculation. Not to mention completely unfounded. As of today, the NFL, the Browns, any representation of him and Gordon himself have never indicated he has. Until one of them do, it has to be treated as if he hasn’t.
He also had a DUI while he was supposed to not be drinking at all.
Yes, I mentioned that.
Gordon put himself in rehab. Kind of an admission of a problem, don’t you think?
Not if Der Furher Goodell made him do it. Who knows what went on behind closed doors?
He’s not staying clean and that’s why he’s not getting reinstated.
Speculation. Nothing more.
Multiple agents have dumped him because he’s not staying clean and they don’t see him as worth the trouble. How bad does he have to be for an agent to decline potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with him? Currently he has no agent because no one wants to represent a guy who is addicted to drugs and in a self-destructive spiral.
Goodell won’t let him play. If he’s not playing, he’s not making money. If he’s not making money, agents don’t want to work for free representing a guy who technically isn’t even an athlete. Agents represent professional sports players for money. Gordon gives them neither, so, yeah, of course they’re going to fire him.
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