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I did 2 different ones, one they way I’d like to see (QB at #2) and one a different way. Funny thing is we need every position (okay – not funny, just sad)
I used CBS big board:
DRAFT 1 QB at #2
2: R1P2 QB JARED GOFF CALIFORNIA
32: R2P1 WR JOSH DOCTSON TCU
65: R3P2 S JEREMY CASH DUKE
99: R4P1 OLB DEION JONES LSU
138: R4P40 DE BRONSON KAUFUSI BRIGHAM YOUNG
141: R5P2 WR JORDAN PAYTON UCLA
172: R5P33 CB TAVON YOUNG TEMPLE
173: R5P34 DT D.J. READER CLEMSON
176: R6P1 OT BRANDON SHELL SOUTH CAROLINA
223: R7P2 DE ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATEDRAFT 2 QB later on:
2: R1P2 S JALEN RAMSEY FLORIDA STATE
32: R2P1 WR TYLER BOYD PITTSBURGH
65: R3P2 ILB KENTRELL BROTHERS MISSOURI
99: R4P1 OLB KYLER FACKRELL UTAH STATE
138: R4P40 WR LEONTE CARROO RUTGERS
141: R5P2 QB KEVIN HOGAN STANFORD
172: R5P33 G ISAAC SEUMALO OREGON STATE
173: R5P34 CB TAVON YOUNG TEMPLE
176: R6P1 DE JAMES COWSER SOUTHERN UTAH
223: R7P2 TE DARION GRISWOLD ARKANSAS STATEWhich do you like better? Under the same circumstances what would yours look like? http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/
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Who went first overall?
I’m not educated enough to comment on the late round picks, but draft 2 is an immediate non-starter for me. We HAVE to get a QB with one of our 1st 2 picks. In fact, I’d almost say we HAVE to get one of the top 3 QB’s on the board.
I’m not personally sold on Goff, I prefer Wentz or Lynch.
Adjust some of position abbreviations for will the prospects should/could play.
2: R1P2 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE
32: R2P1 RT JACK CONKLIN MICHIGAN STATE
65: R3P2 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA
99: R4P1 G/C CONNOR MCGOVERN MISSOURI
138: R4P40 CB RASHARD ROBINSON LSU
141: R5P2 TE BRYCE WILLIAMS EAST CAROLINA
172: R5P33 34DE MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
173: R5P34 S DEANDRE HOUSTON-CARSON WILLIAM & MARY
176: R6P1 RB/KR/PR KEITH MARSHALL GEORGIA
223: R7P2 34OLB CURT MAGGITT TENNESSEEhttp://cloudassetserver.com/STL/posts/185/sp_04_976x0.jpg
Who went first overall?
I’m not educated enough to comment on the late round picks, but draft 2 is an immediate non-starter for me. We HAVE to get a QB with one of our 1st 2 picks. In fact, I’d almost say we HAVE to get one of the top 3 QB’s on the board.
I’m not personally sold on Goff, I prefer Wentz or Lynch.In draft #1 it was Jalen Ramsey
In draft #2 it was the OT (name escapes me).Later rounds I picked on position/ranking by CBS.
I agree with you that at #2 we need to take a QB (that’s why I stated #2 I did an “out of the box” one).
As for Goff vs. Wentz vs. Lynch
Wentz will “drop” like a rock. He’s only talked about due to his size. He played for a completely dominant team and his ball placement is pure shit. (note that I posted the highlight reels of Goff and Wentz — made by the same people and asked for feedback on ball placement. Not a single response because it’s clear Wentz has massive issues there (it’s one of his big knocks) – that’s why I liken him to Mallett/Derek Anderson/Jake Locker. Wentz played for a team that won 5 national championships in a row. He did the last 2 – others did the previous 3. It’s not like it was some big feat to accomplish (so to speak). I see him dropping to the end of round 1 (in reality he should drop to 4 or 5 but it’s a light year for QBs). The best thing for his career would be to go to a read option team.
Goff elevated his team. Wentz didn’t (hence the 5-3 record while his back up went 8-0) Wentz is a major project. If we take him – be very afraid.
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ROFL …..Goff evaluated his team is complete BS. He is an overhyped air raid offence jocky that couldn’t beat ranked teams on the schedule. How the F* is that elevating a team I will NEVER know. It’s Statements like this that show is idiot when it comes to football and QB’s.
Oh and somebody Quote me so the dumb ass that needs a “SAFE” space to hide in like millennial college puke might actually see this post.
It’d not like Goff set NCAA record for INT’s in half when he played a ranked opponent or anything. Oh wait he did!
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I don’t think Goff is as bad as Dawgsoldier thinks he is, and I don’t think Wentz is as bad as Soup thinks.
And I still think Lynch is the best QB in this draft. No one has convinced me otherwise yet. You want Ben Roethlisberger without the rapee rapee? Lynch is your guy.
I don’t think Goff is as bad as Dawgsoldier thinks he is, and I don’t think Wentz is as bad as Soup thinks.
And I still think Lynch is the best QB in this draft. No one has convinced me otherwise yet. You want Ben Roethlisberger without the rapee rapee? Lynch is your guy.Lynch’s highlight reel shows very good touch and accuracy as well. Far exceeding that of Wentz.
What I’m stating about Wentz is that he’s not 1st round material. He’s a mid-round talent (just like said about Mallett and Locker – guys that aren’t worth a damn).
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Wentz can throw a ball, and is a smart guy. I don’t think you can say he’s bad, I think what you can say is that he’s completely untested because of the level of competition he’s been playing against. If you put Mallett or Locker on his team in that division they look like Unitas, the same as if you put Tom Brady on that team. It’s just hard for us normal people to really grade him out. If I put my kid in a basketball league with a bunch of kindergartners he’ll look like the next Michael Jordan.
Wentz imo is almost a complete unknown who has all the basic skills and hardware required to be successful. Will it work out? Got me.
Lynch has the best touch of any QB in this draft.
note that I posted the highlight reels of Goff and Wentz — made by the same people and asked for feedback on ball placement. Not a single response
Just watched them both, honestly the only highlights I’ve watched of any of the QBs so far this year. Wentz, to me, threw a lot of jump balls and a lot of his passes were late getting to the receiver, just my opinion. A lot of lobs that really don’t impress me. His foot work on a lot of those plays…..uh…..it needs work.
The Goff video was clearly better. Much better footwork, I thought the deep passes looked a lot better. Seemed like a lot of deep balls though. Didn’t see much in the way of short and mid range timing passes, be interested to see those. On those plays where the play breaks down, he seemed more comfortable playing backyard ball.
Goff is clearly better when comparing those 2 videos, but of course, those are just highlights made from 1 company. Gotta consider the lowlights, too.
note that I posted the highlight reels of Goff and Wentz — made by the same people and asked for feedback on ball placement. Not a single response
Just watched them both, honestly the only highlights I’ve watched of any of the QBs so far this year. Wentz, to me, threw a lot of jump balls and a lot of his passes were late getting to the receiver, just my opinion. A lot of lobs that really don’t impress me. His foot work on a lot of those plays…..uh…..it needs work.
The Goff video was clearly better. Much better footwork, I thought the deep passes looked a lot better. Seemed like a lot of deep balls though. Didn’t see much in the way of short and mid range timing passes, be interested to see those. On those plays where the play breaks down, he seemed more comfortable playing backyard ball.
Goff is clearly better when comparing those 2 videos, but of course, those are just highlights made from 1 company. Gotta consider the lowlights, too.Correct. Have to consider lowlights too – but my overall point was those were HIGHLIGHT videos. Meaning the best of each guy – if that’s Wentz’s best – that’s bad.
Here’s Lynch highlights (same company) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWmXBFtiGpk
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Wentz is operating an NFL offence where as Goff is operating an offence that can be installed in 3 days completely at the high school level.
LITERAL LINK ON: How to install the base offence Goff ran at Cal in THREE days.
http://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/why-every-team-should-install-its-offense-in-three-days-and-other-political-thoughts-about-successful-offense#sthash.SiTZghMP.dpbs
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http://www.cougcenter.com/2012/4/6/2913270/mike-leach-install-air-raid-offenseWentz ran the Stanford Cardinals version of the west coast offence that Luck ran at Stanford and Indi under Pep Hamilton (Way to think ahead Hue) at both spots.
Where there some Carolina Panther like wrinkles to take advantage of Wentz’s ability to run the ball vs D2 teams added. Yeah and Hue did a bit of that with Andy Dalton as well.
Because of the offences they ran in school Wentz is light years ahead of where Goff is from a football IQ standpoint and a pro ready stand point.
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I don’t watch highlights, because it is not indicative of overall performance. Highlights are completely in the eye of the beholder. A QB may throw an amazing pass but the WR drops it… not a highlight. One guy might have 3 minutes of highlights and another guy only has 2 minutes, does that mean the first guy is a better QB? I’d rather watch full games.
I don’t watch highlights, because it is not indicative of overall performance. Highlights are completely in the eye of the beholder. A QB may throw an amazing pass but the WR drops it… not a highlight. One guy might have 3 minutes of highlights and another guy only has 2 minutes, does that mean the first guy is a better QB? I’d rather watch full games.
Oh, I completely agree. But, there’s still something to be gained from highlights, if you don’t want to take the time to watch full games. you just have to look at what went into the throw and not the end result.
Just watched Lynch’s highlight reel, and honestly, he looks awkward to me, just not smooth. He seem to set himself up to throw to his main target,and never realigned himself if the guy wasn’t open. Not impressed with the footwork at all. If probably put him as me least favorite of the 3, but I’d need to see a little more.
DS, to your point, I don’t put any stick in being touted as “pro-ready”. Quinn was supposed to be “pro-ready” and so was Robiskie. I’m more interested in players ability to learn than what they already know.
Oh, I completely agree. But, there’s still something to be gained from highlights, if you don’t want to take the time to watch full games. you just have to look at what went into the throw and not the end result.
Just watched Lynch’s highlight reel, and honestly, he looks awkward to me, just not smooth. He seem to set himself up to throw to his main target,and never realigned himself if the guy wasn’t open. Not impressed with the footwork at all. If probably put him as me least favorite of the 3, but I’d need to see a little more.
DS, to your point, I don’t put any stick in being touted as “pro-ready”. Quinn was supposed to be “pro-ready” and so was Robiskie. I’m more interested in players ability to learn than what they already know.Well the fact that the kid has been around the Stanford WCO that was run by Pep Hamilton at Stanford and with the Colts and is now the QB coach and for intents and purposes the assistant OC literally mean Wentz and Hamilton already speak the same language while Goff will or would be going ….”Now what now, who now where no huh”. Is a point that can not be dismissed at all
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Well the fact that the kid has been around the Stanford WCO that was run by Pep Hamilton at Stanford and with the Colts and is now the QB coach and for intents and purposes the assistant OC literally mean Wentz and Hamilton already speak the same language while Goff will or would be going ….”Now what now, who now where no huh”. Is a point that can not be dismissed at all
I looked up the QB’s from the first 2 rounds of the 2011 NFL draft. Now, before you accuse me of cherrypicking, I went with 2011 because I knew there were 6 QBs taken early that year, so I could be assured of getting a good sample size in 1 draft.
The result? Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Blaine Gabbert did NOT play in pro-style offenses. Jake Locker and Christian Ponder both did play in pro-style offenses. Which group would you rather have????
That, in short, is why I don’t put any stock in experience in a pro-style offense.
The Browns have Hue Jackson, Pep Hamilton, Al Saunders, and numerous other coaches that can teach the QB they pick the new offense. They won’t be running the exact offense Pep ran at Stanford. Either QB will need to learn how to run the offense at the NFL level. Any advantage Wentz gains from running a similar system is more than negated by the HUGE leap that comes with going from NDSU to the NFL level.
Well the fact that the kid has been around the Stanford WCO that was run by Pep Hamilton at Stanford and with the Colts and is now the QB coach and for intents and purposes the assistant OC literally mean Wentz and Hamilton already speak the same language while Goff will or would be going ….”Now what now, who now where no huh”. Is a point that can not be dismissed at all
I looked up the QB’s from the first 2 rounds of the 2011 NFL draft. Now, before you accuse me of cherrypicking, I went with 2011 because I knew there were 6 QBs taken early that year, so I could be assured of getting a good sample size in 1 draft.
The result? Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Blaine Gabbert did NOT play in pro-style offenses. Jake Locker and Christian Ponder both did play in pro-style offenses. Which group would you rather have????
That, in short, is why I don’t put any stock in experience in a pro-style offense.
The Browns have Hue Jackson, Pep Hamilton, Al Saunders, and numerous other coaches that can teach the QB they pick the new offense. They won’t be running the exact offense Pep ran at Stanford. Either QB will need to learn how to run the offense at the NFL level. Any advantage Wentz gains from running a similar system is more than negated by the HUGE leap that comes with going from NDSU to the NFL level.The leap that the rest of the AFC North QB’s made in year 1. Dalton from the mtn west, Big Jen from the Mac and Flaco from D2. BTW Jackson helped 2 of them make the leap.
A BIGGER leap though is going from the Air Raid in college to a pro scheme in the NFL. 100% of those that attempted THAT transition have FAILED.
As for Went won’t be running that same offence. Very true but he already knows the language terminology and scheme. So he will be light years ahead of Goff.
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We get it, you hate the air raid offense. Even so, you can’t say “he’s no good because he ran air raid”. The most you can say is that he worked in an offense that doesn’t translate to the NFL, so we don’t know how he’ll do in an NFL offense.
You can’t deny he has skills. I’m not a Goff fan but he has skills.
We get it, you hate the air raid offense. Even so, you can’t say “he’s no good because he ran air raid”. The most you can say is that he worked in an offense that doesn’t translate to the NFL, so we don’t know how he’ll do in an NFL offense.
You can’t deny he has skills. I’m not a Goff fan but he has skills.I can say every since it’s inception in the college ranks that the Air Raid it has a 100% failure rate at producing a year in and year out starting QB let alone a franchise one.
Are there exceptions to the rule in a lot of cases, yes. Are they damn hard to find. yes. Does that make Goff a much poorer bet than Wentz. YES.
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We get it, you hate the air raid offense. Even so, you can’t say “he’s no good because he ran air raid”. The most you can say is that he worked in an offense that doesn’t translate to the NFL, so we don’t know how he’ll do in an NFL offense.
You can’t deny he has skills. I’m not a Goff fan but he has skills.Goff doesn’t run the air raid. He runs the Bear Raid. And when they respond by saying it’s rooted in the same concepts then let them know the air raid concepts are rooted in offenses run by Steve Young and Jim McMahon. So if the complaint is the root then one must look at the root of the root which has bread Super Bowl and HOF quality QBs
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More BS from Soup. The Bear Raid is just a variant of the 3 day installed offence that has High School simplistic reads(Hence why it’s all the rage in HS football).
Goff is a 2-4 year project with all that he needs to learn that Wentz already knows.
Oh and Soup. I see you are still hiding in your “”Safe Space”” like a spineless millennial coed that needs therapy from chalk drawings they saw on the side walk at school.
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So – I accidentally saw DawgLiar’s post on my phone as I wasn’t logged in. My internet went out after my long response. So here’s the short version.
1. The BEAR RAID is different from the air raid. The uneducated tool even states it’s a “variant” which means it’s different. So no, it’s not BS. Not surprised he’s lying about me again because that’s what he/she does – lies non stop.
2. The Air Raid has in fact produced successful NFL QBs. Tim Couch – 7 years, Nick Foles – going into year 5, Kevin Kolb – 7 years. It’s only been around since 1997 in the top division in the NCAA. Started in 1997 with Kentucky. Shocker that he lied again huh?
3. The Air Raid is a variant of offenses that produced Steve Young and Jim McMahon. Just like the Bear Raid is ROOTED in the air raid – the air raid is rooted in offensive schemes that produced Super Bowl winners. Both the air raid and bear raid allow the QB to audible to whatever is needed based on the QBs read of the defense.
4. He also said something about the MVC being comparable to the MAC – quite humorous with no truth whatsoever in there. Big Ben, James Harrison, Josh Cribbs, Antonio Gates, Michael Turner, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins and more compared to the MVC which produced, um, uh……
I suggest you all add him/her to ignore like so many of us.
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So – I accidentally saw DawgLiar’s post on my phone as I wasn’t logged in. My internet went out after my long response. So here’s the short version.
1. The BEAR RAID is different from the air raid. The uneducated tool even states it’s a “variant” which means it’s different. So no, it’s not BS. Not surprised he’s lying about me again because that’s what he/she does – lies non stop.
2. The Air Raid has in fact produced successful NFL QBs. Tim Couch – 7 years, Nick Foles – going into year 5, Kevin Kolb – 7 years. It’s only been around since 1997 in the top division in the NCAA. Started in 1997 with Kentucky. Shocker that he lied again huh?
3. The Air Raid is a variant of offenses that produced Steve Young and Jim McMahon. Just like the Bear Raid is ROOTED in the air raid – the air raid is rooted in offensive schemes that produced Super Bowl winners. Both the air raid and bear raid allow the QB to audible to whatever is needed based on the QBs read of the defense.
4. He also said something about the MVC being comparable to the MAC – quite humorous with no truth whatsoever in there. Big Ben, James Harrison, Josh Cribbs, Antonio Gates, Michael Turner, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins and more compared to the MVC which produced, um, uh……
I suggest you all add him/her to ignore like so many of us.1 A yes it’s a lie when I catch you spouting uneducated BS. K got it. It’s variant in the fact the with couch the used a TE and and they don’t at cal. Excuse me for being precise
2 Successful QB maintains his job and has a winning record. Those examples DO NOT meet that criteria as successful starters let alone franchise guys.
3 The offences Young and McMhan were used as as blue print for the air raid as was the WCO. What they did was take those offences and DUMBED them down. As for the Bear Raid it eliminated the TE for more of a spread attack to make the windows even bigger to throw into and the reads even easier to process. That’s why the Air Raid can be fully installed in 3 days. Even posted the links upthread. But according to soups dumb ass it’s a lie. LOL.
4 What I sad was what Wentz played against is that different than what the rest of the AFc north QB’s played against in college. Then he goes on to list some guys that played at different times in the Mac when clearly I was talking about when ben was there but that flew over his head. Go figure. Over arching point being Dalton Big Jen and Flacco didn’t come from big programs ether and made the leap. And Flacco was D2 as well.
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So – I accidentally saw DawgLiar’s post on my phone as I wasn’t logged in. My internet went out after my long response. So here’s the short version.
1. The BEAR RAID is different from the air raid. The uneducated tool even states it’s a “variant” which means it’s different. So no, it’s not BS. Not surprised he’s lying about me again because that’s what he/she does – lies non stop.
2. The Air Raid has in fact produced successful NFL QBs. Tim Couch – 7 years, Nick Foles – going into year 5, Kevin Kolb – 7 years. It’s only been around since 1997 in the top division in the NCAA. Started in 1997 with Kentucky. Shocker that he lied again huh?
3. The Air Raid is a variant of offenses that produced Steve Young and Jim McMahon. Just like the Bear Raid is ROOTED in the air raid – the air raid is rooted in offensive schemes that produced Super Bowl winners. Both the air raid and bear raid allow the QB to audible to whatever is needed based on the QBs read of the defense.
4. He also said something about the MVC being comparable to the MAC – quite humorous with no truth whatsoever in there. Big Ben, James Harrison, Josh Cribbs, Antonio Gates, Michael Turner, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins and more compared to the MVC which produced, um, uh……
I suggest you all add him/her to ignore like so many of us.1 A yes it’s a lie when I catch you spouting uneducated BS. K got it. It’s variant in the fact the with couch the used a TE and and they don’t at cal. Excuse me for being precise
2 Successful QB maintains his job and has a winning record. Those examples DO NOT meet that criteria as successful starters let alone franchise guys.
3 The offences Young and McMhan were used as as blue print for the air raid as was the WCO. What they did was take those offences and DUMBED them down. As for the Bear Raid it eliminated the TE for more of a spread attack to make the windows even bigger to throw into and the reads even easier to process. That’s why the Air Raid can be fully installed in 3 days. Even posted the links upthread. But according to soups dumb ass it’s a lie. LOL.
4 What I sad was what Wentz played against is that different than what the rest of the AFc north QB’s played against in college. Then he goes on to list some guys that played at different times in the Mac when clearly I was talking about when ben was there but that flew over his head. Go figure. Over arching point being Dalton Big Jen and Flacco didn’t come from big programs ether and made the leap. And Flacco was D2 as well.
Bottom line, picking against the Air Raid QB every time the Browns have picked one was the proper answer.
McNabb over Couch, Then Tannehill over Weeden and More recently Carr over Manziel. All of which I pounded the table for BTW.
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The air raid has never created an NFL starter… does that mean we shouldn’t even send our QB scouts to any school that uses a form of that offense?
North Dakota State has never created an NFL starter…. does that mean we shouldn’t even send our scouts there? Should we drop Wentz from our draft board?
Never say never. Good QB’s can be found anywhere, even at tiny schools or big schools with limited offenses.
Good QB’s can be found anywhere
The Rams found Kurt Warner in a Hy-Vee grocery store in Cedar Falls, Iowa.
Good QB’s can be found anywhere
The Rams found Kurt Warner in a Hy-Vee grocery store in Cedar Falls, Iowa.
We should pull our Cal scouts and send them to grocery stores instead. Better proven record.
Good QB’s can be found anywhere
The Rams found Kurt Warner in a Hy-Vee grocery store in Cedar Falls, Iowa.
We should pull our Cal scouts and send them to grocery stores instead. Better proven record.
Now I’m sold on Carson Wentz. Carson Palmer has been successful and they have the same first name. Jared Goff is better suited to play TE because Jared Cook is a good TE.
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Draft Day scenario . . . Tennessee takes Laremy Tunsil first overall. While you’re on the clock, Jerry Jones calls and offers #4, #34, #101 and a future fifth in exchange for #2. A – Do you accept the offer to trade down and B- whom do you think the Cowboys take at #2?
As for me, the Cleveland Browns need players and lots of them. At #4 you still have the opportunity to get your franchise QB and build a roster around him (regardless of which of the top two QB’s you prefer). There are only three players Dallas could be interested in enough to trade away that much in order to move up two slots IMHO . . . Joey Bosa, Jalen Ramsey or Carson Wentz. If the Browns decide that there’s not that much of a difference between the top 2 QB’s then they have to pull the trigger – regardless of whom the Cowboys want to take.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
Draft Day scenario . . . Tennessee takes Laremy Tunsil first overall. While you’re on the clock, Jerry Jones calls and offers #4, #34, #101 and a future fifth in exchange for #2. A – Do you accept the offer to trade down and B- whom do you think the Cowboys take at #2?
As for me, the Cleveland Browns need players and lots of them. At #4 you still have the opportunity to get your franchise QB and build a roster around him (regardless of which of the top two QB’s you prefer). There are only three players Dallas could be interested in enough to trade away that much in order to move up two slots IMHO . . . Joey Bosa, Jalen Ramsey or Carson Wentz. If the Browns decide that there’s not that much of a difference between the top 2 QB’s then they have to pull the trigger – regardless of whom the Cowboys want to take.Cowboys could take Goff as well. If my pick was a QB at #2 (let’s pretend I have Goff and Wentz rated equal) then no, I don’t take the trade because someone could jump to #3 and take the other QB. If I don’t like either QB, then yes I take the trade.
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There’s some upward pressure at the top of this draft. I don’t accept any trade from the ‘boys that doesn’t include their 2017 1st rounder along with this year’s 1st and 2nd.
The air raid has never created an NFL starter… does that mean we shouldn’t even send our QB scouts to any school that uses a form of that offense?
North Dakota State has never created an NFL starter…. does that mean we shouldn’t even send our scouts there? Should we drop Wentz from our draft board?
Never say never. Good QB’s can be found anywhere, even at tiny schools or big schools with limited offenses.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Dakota_State_Bison_in_the_NFL_Draft
But North Dakota State has created starters. So that isn’t even an accurate comparison.
Heck I wouldn’t mind drafting there LT this year to the Browns starting RT.
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NFL.com is reporting that the Browns are open to trading down. Maybe we should trade down to 22 and pick a QB there. It’s worked out so well for us in the past.
NFL.com is reporting that the Browns are open to trading down. Maybe we should trade down to 22 and pick a QB there. It’s worked out so well for us in the past.
About as well as drafting Air Raid QB’s :p
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So – I accidentally saw DawgLiar’s post on my phone as I wasn’t logged in. My internet went out after my long response. So here’s the short version. 1. The BEAR RAID is different from the air raid. The uneducated tool even states it’s a “variant” which means it’s different. So no, it’s not BS. Not surprised he’s lying about me again because that’s what he/she does – lies non stop. 2. The Air Raid has in fact produced successful NFL QBs. Tim Couch – 7 years, Nick Foles – going into year 5, Kevin Kolb – 7 years. It’s only been around since 1997 in the top division in the NCAA. Started in 1997 with Kentucky. Shocker that he lied again huh? 3. The Air Raid is a variant of offenses that produced Steve Young and Jim McMahon. Just like the Bear Raid is ROOTED in the air raid – the air raid is rooted in offensive schemes that produced Super Bowl winners. Both the air raid and bear raid allow the QB to audible to whatever is needed based on the QBs read of the defense. 4. He also said something about the MVC being comparable to the MAC – quite humorous with no truth whatsoever in there. Big Ben, James Harrison, Josh Cribbs, Antonio Gates, Michael Turner, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins and more compared to the MVC which produced, um, uh…… I suggest you all add him/her to ignore like so many of us.
1 A yes it’s a lie when I catch you spouting uneducated BS. K got it.[b] It’s variant [/b]in the fact the with couch the used a TE and and they don’t at cal. Excuse me for being precise
var·i·ant
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adj.
1. Differing from others of the same kind or from a standard: a variant form of the disease; a book in variant editions.2. Having or exhibiting variation; varying: a procedure producing variant results.
n.
Something that differs from others of the same kind or from a standard, as a different spelling or pronunciation of a word.Do I now need to show you the definition of “different”? Just because you repeatedly state the same lies over an over doesn’t make them true. BEAR RAID is DIFFERENT from Air Raid. Case closed kid.
2 Successful QB maintains his job and has a winning record. Those examples DO NOT meet that criteria as successful starters let alone franchise guys.
YOU stated they had a 100% FAILURE rate. I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they don’t. If they failed at 100% they’d be out of the league in a year or not make it in year 1. I showed you 3 guys that are/were 5+ years in the NFL – aka ABOVE THE AVERAGE – AKA NOT A FAILURE. Now you set different criteria when you are caught lying.
3 The offences Young and McMhan were used as as blue print for the air raid as was the WCO. What they did was take those offences and DUMBED them down. As for the Bear Raid it eliminated the TE for more of a spread attack to make the windows even bigger to throw into and the reads even easier to process.
So what you are saying is I’m right and the air raid was based off the offenses that produced Steve Young and Jim McMahon.
Of course – what you don’t know (which is pretty much everything) is that Young succeeded McMahon at BYU under Lavell Edwards which is where the air raid concepts came from.
For the record – the WCO came from concepts of Air Coryell, Paul Brown and Bill Walsh. Nothing to do with Lavell Edwards – but keep on lying there kitten.
That’s why the Air Raid can be fully installed in 3 days. Even posted the links upthread. But according to soups dumb ass it’s a lie. LOL.
Another lie from you – not a surprise. Where did I state that versions of it can’t be installed in 3 days?
Your article talks about MIKE LEACH installing the AIR RAID offense in 3 days and how it’s possible. Mike Leach – like the air raid – has absolutely nothing to do with Jared Goff because he doesn’t run the air raid nor does/did he play for Mike Leach.
4 What I sad was what Wentz played against is that different than what the rest of the AFc north QB’s played against in college. Then he goes on to list some guys that played at different times in the Mac when clearly I was talking about when ben was there but that flew over his head. Go figure. Over arching point being Dalton Big Jen and Flacco didn’t come from big programs ether and made the leap. And Flacco was D2 as well.
No, liar, you stated that the MVC had similar talent to the MAC and that’s just an outright lie.
Bottom line, picking against the Air Raid QB every time the Browns have picked one was the proper answer.
Goff isn’t an air raid QB so who are you picking against in this draft that ran the air raid offense?
McNabb over Couch, Then Tannehill over Weeden and More recently Carr over Manziel. All of which I pounded the table for BTW.
And to quote your dumb ass again:
Successful QB maintains his job and has a winning record.
Ryan Tannehill is 29-35 record.
Derek Carr – 10-22 record
And to quote you yet again:Those examples DO NOT meet that criteria as successful starters let alone franchise guys.
Keep on lying liar.
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The Bear Raid isn’t different than the Air Raid Goff and couch ran the same plays the only difference was TE and under vs shot gun and 4 wide. The also added up tempo at cal. That’s the difference. Whoopty fuckening doo. It’s still a High School offence that takes 3 days to install COMPLETELY.
Oh and I showed that AIr Raid QB’s FAILED at 100% not to be able to maintain their starting jobs. Let alone be Franchise QB’s nice LIE attempt.
So it’s a LIE the air Raid can be installed in three day REALLY: http://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/why-every-team-should-install-its-offense-in-three-days-and-other-political-thoughts-about-successful-offense OOPS caught red handed being a blatant dumb ass again.
The head coach at Cal worked for Mike Leach so ya he has nothing to do with him soup. LOL Keep digging that hole.
Calling it Bear Raid instead of Air Raid is marketing. That’s it.
And I am a dumb ass for pointing out the Better QB’s we could have had instead of the shitty Air raid BS the browns picked. Please…try and grab real hard at the ankles and pull your head out of your ass.
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You do realize the title of the article is “why every team should install it’s offense in three days…” and that the body of the article includes not only the air raid, but also the pro style offense? Your article states that every offense can and should be installed in three days. The Air Raid was just the first example covered. However, it should also be noted that the Bear Raid has some very distinct differences from the Air Raid that make it, at least in my opinion, far easier to transition to the NFL. The Bear Raid utilizes normal gaps*** in the offensive line. The Air Raid does not. That reduces the size of the throwing lanes and the pocket the quarterback has to choose from.
The fact of the matter is that college football is changing. The reason there are so many more Air Raid/Spread QBs at the top of the draft charts is that college football is no longer considered a primer for the NFL. College football is big business, and college dynasties are as lucrative (if not more so) for coaches. Top programs now employ the Air Raid/Spread offenses in favor of Pro Style offenses because the focus for college football has shifted. It is its own brand. As more teams adopt air raid/spread offenses, coaches will gain more familiarity with developing Air Raid/Spread QBs leading to an increase in the success rate. The Air Raid and Spread are no longer gimmicks. Quarterbacks with top tier physical attributes are now playing in these systems, and you’d be remiss to overlook their talent now because of the history of the system they play in.
The fact of the matter is this:
There are two, potentially three VERY good prospects in this draft that have the opportunity to become franchise QBs at the next level if properly developed. All have major red flags. If you’re going to assert that Goff played in a “high school offense” note that he did so (and produced) against a high level of competition. Wentz ran a pro style offense against, but he did so against what many would reasonably consider “high school talent” and his team experienced no loss in production when he was sidelined with a wrist injury. Lynch has unparalleled size and athleticism for the position, but many of the concerns that plague Goff in regards to making the transition to the NFL apply to him as well.
The bottom line is that there are most likely 2 franchise QBs in this draft, and regardless of who the Browns pick at #2, he will fail and the other two QBs will go on to have HOF careers.
***http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2013/6/17/4405736/cal-football-previewing-the-bear-raid-offense
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0The Bear Raid isn’t different than the Air Raid Goff and couch ran the same plays the only difference was TE and under vs shot gun and 4 wide. The also added up tempo at cal. That’s the difference. Whoopty fuckening doo. It’s still a High School offence that takes 3 days to install COMPLETELY.
You’ve already lost this debate numerous times. You even used the word VARIANT when describing the two and use the word DIFFERENCE above. You lose bitch.
Oh and I showed that AIr Raid QB’s FAILED at 100% not to be able to maintain their starting jobs. Let alone be Franchise QB’s nice LIE attempt.
No you didn’t. You stated they failed 100% in the NFL. That was your original statement. Being in the league twice the average doesn’t = 100% failure. You then decided to change your criteria because you are a little cunt.
So it’s a LIE the air Raid can be installed in three day REALLY: http://smartfootball.com/gameplanning/why-every-team-should-install-its-offense-in-three-days-and-other-political-thoughts-about-successful-offense OOPS caught red handed being a blatant dumb ass again.
The head coach at Cal worked for Mike Leach so ya he has nothing to do with him soup. LOL Keep digging that hole.Show me where I stated versions of it couldn’t be installed in 3 days. You won’t be able to because you are lying about what I said. Why? Because your a stupid little cunt.
Show me where I said Leach didn’t work with the head coach at Cal. I stated GOFF never was coached by Leach and never played by Leach. Wow – you really are a dumb little cunt.
Calling it Bear Raid instead of Air Raid is marketing. That’s it.
And I am a dumb ass for pointing out the Better QB’s we could have had instead of the shitty Air raid BS the browns picked. Please…try and grab real hard at the ankles and pull your head out of your ass.Yet you called it a VARIANT of the air raid. Do I need to go over the definition of variant again you stupid little cunt?
But keep on championing NFL failures like Tannehill and Carr – after all – according to you they are MASSIVE failures because, according to you, they have to hold their starting job AND have a WINNING record. Neither have a winning record so you followed failures and are now bragging about it.
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