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This was the worst officiating I have ever seen.
Freddie’s situational officiating is the worst we’ve ever had. Bottom of the league.
Fire Kitchens immediately. First 2 plays were Passos in bad wind and pouring rain. Worst coach in NFL history.
Opening series 3 passes no runs in terrible weather. If you defend Kitchens in any way possible you should punch yourself in the nuts
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Freddie intentionally took a penalty on 4th down to make it 4tg and 16 so he could save a time out when he went for it on 4th🤣😂🤣😂 of he has a job still tomorrow morning Dorsey needs shown the door too. Just stop the charade. Freddie is a useless idiot and clearly the single dumbest coach that’s ever been in the NFL
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He actually ran the ball a lot, specially considering Chubb had back to back fumbles.
MOST of the loss yesterday is on the players. Those fumbles, and letting Lawrence Guy through the line for the easy pick effectively ended that game before it began.
That said, yesterday was definitely Kitchens worst game as HC. Bad challenges, poor time management, and the 4th and 11 brains fart (taking the penalty was smart, but trotting our the punt team initially was moronic) were just ridiculous.
That said, better days are ahead. I’ll still reserve my judgment til after the season.
Articles everywhere are talking about
For anyone wondering what a straw-man argument is, that is the purest example I’ve ever seen.
He actually ran the ball a lot, specially considering Chubb had back to back fumbles.
MOST of the loss yesterday is on the players. Those fumbles, and letting Lawrence Guy through the line for the easy pick effectively ended that game before it began.
That said, yesterday was definitely Kitchens worst game as HC. Bad challenges, poor time management, and the 4th and 11 brains fart (taking the penalty was smart, but trotting our the punt team initially was moronic) were just ridiculous.
That said, better days are ahead. I’ll still reserve my judgment til after the season.13 more penalties. Intentionally made it 4th and 16 to go for it and save a time out. Announcers pregame “everyone is dropping passes” Browns first 3 plays were passes. This guy is a fucking moron.
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Articles everywhere are talking about
For anyone wondering what a straw-man argument is, that is the purest example I’ve ever seen.
Punch yourself in the nuts. We are 2-5 and average 10 penalties per game. He challenged 2 really dumb things that didn’t need challenged and were obvious. He’s getting worse every week
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The turnovers will a killer, especially on Chubb’s long run. Could have been a 17-10 game at half with us getting the ball to start the second half.
The play calling wasn’t an issue on Sunday. The penalties and slow start were.
That falls on coaching IMO and if Freddie wants a job next year he had better improve.
The good thing is we now have one of the weakest schedules in the NFL for the rest of the season.I do not advocate firing the HC mid season of year one. You should give rookie players time to develop and you should give rookie Head Coaches time to develop too.
Articles everywhere are talking about
For anyone wondering what a straw-man argument is, that is the purest example I’ve ever seen.
Punch yourself in the nuts.
Punch myself in the nuts? Is that some sort of phrase they throw around in Pittsburgh because down here in FL it sounds like a pretty silly thing to say.
Nonetheless, what I said still stands. Regardless of whether anyone agrees or disagrees with your viewpoint, saying “articles everywhere are talking about…” is a losing argument and the epitome of a straw-man.
So if you see a person and everyone else sees a bird (and it’s a bird) it’s a straw man argument if you cite everyone else seeing it?
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You didn’t site anyone. You just said “articles everywhere are talking about…” That doesn’t mean anything. Articles everywhere are talking about chem-trails. Does that mean the government is using chem-trails on us, just because there are a lot of articles about it? Are there articles talking about area 51? Holy shit I can probably dig up articles saying that Charlie Frye was the answer at QB. Just because a lot of people are talking about something doesn’t make it true.
Straw man.
Hopefully he takes more penalties to save timeouts next week so we can then score 15 times in the last minute and a half.
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For those not listening, announcers states Kitchens THIS WEEK got back to making them run in practice for committing penalties. Seriously? The 18 penalties week 1 and leading the league through 8 weeks (only 7 games) didn’t clue him in to do it sooner?
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First play of Q3 was a hand off to Hilliard. No, really. Not a healthy Chubb. But to Hilliard. When we lose Dorsey better can him
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3rd and 3 hand to Hilliard. 4tg and 1 Mayfield run. Chubb on the sideline both plays. There’s no excuses at all whatsoever for any excuse as why this useless dickbag is a coach
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I cannot recall an NFL team which clearly has this much talent take the field looking like they don’t understand how to play the game.
We’re allergic to putting the ball into the hands of our playmakers, and have no interest in guarding the middle of the field.
I was not able to watch this game, I was only able to see the gamecast on ESPN. It’s basically just watching live stats which don’t really tell the story so someone tell me if I’m wrong.
Baker Mayfield has completely regressed. Last year he was pushing the ball deep downfield with timing and accuracy. In this particular game I only recall seeing him attempt a deep pass once. Also, Baker threw 42 passes and we only attempted 25 rushes. Landry was targeted 13 times and only caught 6. Higgins went from Mayfield’s most reliable target to completely irrelevant.
THIS OFFENSE SUCKS, DESPITE A HUGE AMOUNT OF TALENT.
Baker missed his target by YARDS on more than a few occasions. He also threw into two screens which had been blown before he released the ball, and didn’t see Beckham open for a touchdown on the final offensive play.
Don’t tell Hilliard had 7 fucking touches. Dontrell Hilliard. More than OBJ. He averaged 2 yards a tocuh. Which, is what you would expect from Dontrell Hilliard. Big 3rd down? Let’s give it to Hilliard. Need some momentum? Let’s give it to Hilliard. WTF.
Aside from that, Freddie’s red zone offense continues to be atrocious. Likes to come out in shotgun with an empty backfield on 1st and 10. We have 1 of the best RBs in the game, but god forbid we make the defense even account for him. If it’s 3rd and more than a yard, you know Chubbs not getting the ball. If it’s 3rd and 1 or less…did I mention Dontrell Hilliard??
This was a shit show from the first snap. And I don’t actually understand how, because I have kids and couldn’t here the commentators, but Freddie somehow managed to challenge a play and lose a timeout on a turnover that was automatically reviewed. It’s almost impressively bad.
And for the record, the reason we have fucking Hilliard in there, is because Dorsey signed Kareem Hunt to a 1 year deal, which upset Duke and led to him wanting out of Cleveland. He chose 8 fucking games of Hunt over Duke Johnson. What a brilliant fucking move.
I’m much less concerned with the details… challenges, playcalling, Chubb…. The big picture is WRONG. This offense is WRONG. Name one single position that is better on offense than it was last year. Chubb is the ONLY one. Baker is worse. Wr’s somehow got worse. TE’s are worse (injury). The line is MUCH worse. This offense does not fit the players it has. We’ve got Baker tossing “high percentage” short passes that rely on precise timing and perfection in the WR routes. OBJ is not known for his precise route running, he’s a guy who can ditch a defender and break wide open deep. Having OBJ catch little 5 yard dumps is like having a Ferrari tow a boat.
OBJ’s biggest asset is his ability to catch absolutely any ball in one-on-one coverage, no matter who is covering him. We never give him a chance to do that.
Along those lines, I think the inability to get Odell the ball is what will specifically get Freddie fired, even more than his general inability to organize and execute a gameplan.
Dorsey made the decision to trade a first round pick for Beckham. His lack of production makes Dorsey look bad for making that move. Don’t make your boss look bad.
I hope that’s not the case. His roster deserves at least another couple seasons under a good coach. Firing a GM means an entire roster and organizational overhaul…again…and a three year setback. I truly think a good head coach could have a winning record with this team.
I hope that’s not the case. His roster deserves at least another couple seasons under a good coach. Firing a GM means an entire roster and organizational overhaul…again…and a three year setback. I truly think a good head coach could have a winning record with this team.
I agree 100%. If I’m Dorsey I ask McCarthy how much money it will take. I don’t see Haslam standing for it though which is why I believe they all get the axe
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Can we change the name of this thread to soup meltdown and post it to the top? This thread will go on for about 10 years. It may not be as epic as the Quinn verse Anderson thread that hit like 50 pages at dawgbones, but it can go on and on.
Also, soup should I root for Buffalo this weekend? Heading to the game.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Can we change the name of this thread to soup meltdown and post it to the top? This thread will go on for about 10 years. It may not be as epic as the Quinn verse Anderson thread that hit like 50 pages at dawgbones, but it can go on and on.
Also, soup should I root for Buffalo this weekend? Heading to the game.F@&$ you 🤣 I can’t recall the exact symbols Phil used.
The only meltdown is those who can’t see how bad he is at coaching. With any hope this thread can die after the Bills smoke us Sunday
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Can we change the name of this thread to soup meltdown and post it to the top? This thread will go on for about 10 years. It may not be as epic as the Quinn verse Anderson thread that hit like 50 pages at dawgbones, but it can go on and on.
Also, soup should I root for Buffalo this weekend? Heading to the game.Did we ever circle back to that argument around 2014 or so and agree that Anderson was the better QB?
Can we change the name of this thread to soup meltdown and post it to the top? This thread will go on for about 10 years. It may not be as epic as the Quinn verse Anderson thread that hit like 50 pages at dawgbones, but it can go on and on.
Also, soup should I root for Buffalo this weekend? Heading to the game.Did we ever circle back to that argument around 2014 or so and agree that Anderson was the better QB?
Your asking the wrong dude. I stated from day 1 Quinn was a bust and Anderson was way better. @ice along with… Flashback “quinnsbiggestfan10” these two yahoo’s had their noses three feet deep into his crack rofl
Hue Jackson is a loser.
If you pay attention to Freddie’s answers they are very telling.
“We need to execute better”
“I don’t coach penalties”
“Go ahead and blame me”
I’ve never heard him say “we need to coach better.”
He constantly deflects and places blame elsewhere. He’s acting infallible.
Bill Belichick at halftime of the Ravens game “we need to coach better.”
A friend was telling me Jim Donavan was in an interview stating he can feel the team starting to break into factions and that’s when you know a coach has lost the team.
It would be nice to back up the brinks truck to a McCarthy or another successful coach not currently in the NFL to right this ship the 2nd half of the year so we have a head start on 2020
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I’ve never heard him say “we need to coach better.”
He’s literally said that multiple times in every press conference.
He constantly deflects and places blame elsewhere. He’s acting infallible.
Are you kidding me? At this point I don’t think you even listen to his pressers. This is the first week… THE FIRST WEEK he’s shifted any of the blame to the players. He’s owned all the mistakes since game 1 and said to blame him NOT the players. IMO it comes too late. He should have been blaming them much earlier. He’s been too protective of them in the media.
It doesn’t matter how much experience you have when it comes to calling plays.
Andy Reid was a rookie head coach and called his own plays and he did pretty well.
My problem is the consistency and flow. The offense doesn’t have either at this point. I am not sure who to blame right now but I have never liked Monkin. Tampa’s offense sucked when he was there and immediately improved after he left. I believe this was the biggest mistake of the off season.
Fire Monkin now and lets see how the rest of the season goes before determining if Kitchens deserves to stay or not.
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It doesn’t matter how much experience you have when it comes to calling plays.
Andy Reid was a rookie head coach and called his own plays and he did pretty well.
My problem is the consistency and flow. The offense doesn’t have either at this point. I am not sure who to blame right now but I have never liked Monkin. Tampa’s offense sucked when he was there and immediately improved after he left. I believe this was the biggest mistake of the off season.
Fire Monkin now and lets see how the rest of the season goes before determining if Kitchens deserves to stay or not.
JMOThat’s a good concept by you. Saw a video of Ryan Clark talking about the Browns a few weeks ago. He brought up how much Winston regressed under Monken and Baker was doing the same. Monken left and Winston improved again this year
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I remember before the season all the talk was that Monken was going to be the OC here for 1 year and use it as a springboard to being a HC in 2020. 8 games in, it looks like he has as much chance of being a head coach as I do. I’m not ready to fire people yet though. Firing people mid-season only works if you have a better replacement already on your staff. We fire Monken and give the offense to who?
I remember before the season all the talk was that Monken was going to be the OC here for 1 year and use it as a springboard to being a HC in 2020. 8 games in, it looks like he has as much chance of being a head coach as I do. I’m not ready to fire people yet though. Firing people mid-season only works if you have a better replacement already on your staff. We fire Monken and give the offense to who?
Someone who isn’t detrimental to QBs.
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Firing Freddie Kitchens is exactly how we got Freddie Kitchens.
It does nothing to fire a coach mid season. You gain nothing. You improve nothing about your team.
You let a coach live or die on his own merits, and whole body of work. Bill Belicheck went 6-10, 7-9, 7-9 his first three seasons in Cleveland. He was reviled by the fans and media in Cleveland. He cut Bernie and wouldn’t stop running Metcalf up the middle. He was a moron, a stubborn one, and was ruining our entire franchise. His press conferences were nothing but a smug asshole refusing to discuss how and why we sucked so bad. He was hated. You all remember that? I do.
He’s also the greatest coach in NFL history, and had to learn first.
Am I comparing Freddie Kitchens to the Hoodie? No. That’s absurd. But the argument of letting a coach learn and grow holds true, and that’s my point. While Kitchens has made his fair share of errors, even a few of them nonsensical and head scratching, I think far too many people expected this to be easy. They expected us to coast to the AFC Championship game. Now that they see it takes a lot of effort, growth, and is actually a process they want to scream and chop the guys fucking head off.
Cleveland fans are idiots. Impatient ones too.
I will always preach patience. It’s almost always warranted. Some of you can rant and rave and scream and yell and pull your hair out all you like, but it’s gonna do you no good and all you really are asking for is another coach, another changeover, another offense, another system, another way of doing things, basically the exact same thing the Browns have been doing for 20 years to keep the train of misery on track.
In a suck year I still see a lot of good happening. I see a lot of learning. I see growth, and personally I’m glad this team has been humbled. It builds character and knocks egos down a peg or two. It also pisses people off and, hopefully, gets people focused on the things they should have been focused on in the first place.
I’ve screamed at my television this year. I’ve said “what the fuck are you doing you idiot?!!” on several occasions. Being 2-6 after 8 games was a punch in the gut I surely didn’t see coming and I honestly hate it.
But this could also be the greatest thing to ever happen to this coach and this team. And the that’s the road I’m walking down right now.
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