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Let’s begin with who we let go (taken from a PD article):
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/12/how_browns_2016_cut_and_traded.html#1
Johnson Bademosi – speical teams player. A loss on ST, but overall, no one special overall.
Travis Benjamin – admittedly I wanted him to stay. Admittedly he’s average in SD. No loss.
Armonty Bryant – substance abuse violation. No loss.
Karlos Dansby – while a great player in his prime, Kirksey has proven to be better this year. Excellent move.
Austin Davis – I give this move an F based on the fact that he could’ve been the 47th starter we had this year! (reality – no loss)
Pierre Desir – truly a terrible player. He’s sitting on a practice squad in Seattle. I remember when a bunch of people were obsessed with him as being our future starting safety, lol.
Taylor Gabriel – no one knew he was in Atlanta until his two highlights this week. No loss.
Justin Gilbert – great move to steal a pick for this worthless chump.
Tashaun Gipson – I wanted him desparately. His production is gone in Jax. No loss overall.
John Hughes – 4 games in Tampa with 5 tackles. Again – no loss
Paul Kreuger – just awful while he was here – still awful on the Saints. 1.5 sacks.
Andy Lee – seriously – we got a draft pick for a PUNTER! He’s on IR. No loss.
Alex Mack – biggest free agent loss in the NFL this year – that said – this office had no way of keeping him. It’s not their fault he’s gone. He left for less money.
Barkeveous Mingo – 11 games in NE and 4 tackels. Sounds about right. Thanks for the pick Belichick!
Craig Robertson – solid player, but overall no real loss.
Mitchell Schwartz – Thought he was a huge loss. There’s 64 starting tackles in the NFL. He’s currently rates #30 in PFF. He’s average – good move front office.
K’Waun Williams – out of the NFL
Donte Whitner – overall – Kindred getting reps an learning is more important than an overpriced old guy missing tackles.
There are no negative moves in the guys we lost that the front office could control – that’s a huge plus.
Thoughts?
Freedom!!!
I actually agree with these for the most part. But, it’s hard to say Schwartz, Gipson, and Whitner are “no loss” when they’re clearly better than the guys we have starting in their places.
whitner is over the hill, overpriced, and letting him go was the right move, but he’s still better than what we currently have. Gipson and Schwartz looked better than they are because they played well on bad teams, but they’re still better than what we have.
Scwatrz is the only one that really bugs me. Some bag on him, but Joe Thomas said he is one of the best in the league. I’m going to take JT’s opinion over anyone else’s because he played on the same line with him, was in the same meeting rooms with him, and watched the same video as him. He knows more than anyone else could possibly know.
That said, they dicked him around. Ooooooooh, he wanted to test the market and see what kind of offers he could get? He wanted to see what his value was? What a horrible thing to do. Completely outrageous for any professional athlete.
Gimme a break. He looked, and then said “alright, well I’ll stay home” and the browns said “nah partner, you never should have looked, there’s the door”.
That’s Bush.
Other than that, I’m fine with all the other moves.
I agree mostly! Mack and Schwartz could have been retained. IF we would have ran them over with a Brinks truck! The Browns are doing things now that had to be done! We needed tough love as fans. They had to loose the dead wood,to improve the new growth! We can now see the forrest with the new trees! The 2017 off season will make or break the franchise! We need to let go of some bad coaches for some that only now will be available! A modest and well thought out FA period will set up an even better draft in 2017 than we had in 2016! I really feel we have changed our fortunes,for the better! GO BROWNS!!!
Mack and Schwartz could have been retained. IF we would have ran them over with a Brinks truck!
This is incorrect. Mack was leaving anyway. We made him the highest paid center in the league. He left and took LESS money elsewhere. There was nothing that could be done to keep him.
Also, Shwartz didn’t ask for the brinks truck, he just wanted to accept the offer the browns originally gave him and they say “no. Too bad so sad”.
Schwartz was way overrated by PFF. He had no idea how deep to set last year which caused plenty of sacks. Point for Soup.
And yet he is better than what we have this year. Point for Shooter.
Still, could you say we’d have won 1 game more with Schwartz on our roster? I don’t think so. Point for Soup.
We went into the season $48 mil under the cap. We could have afforded Schwartz easily. Point Shooter.
The contract Schwartz signed is a 5 year contract with $7m signing bonus, over $20m guaranteed. While he would be ok this year, he’s not a guy that we’d build a championship team with. In 2 years he’s going to be a way overpaid and underperforming guy that we have to ditch. Point Soup.
Soup-3, Shooter-2
I feel that my point total should be weighted because I was basing my assessment on the thoughts of Joe Thomas.
JT>all of us.
Scrolled on screen today prior to all games in NFL Network. Carson Wentz is the WORST QB in the NFL since week 4. Hes thrown 3 more interceptions today in a horrible outing yet again. Major positive for this front office in talent evaluation.
Freedom!!!
For the most part, it is all spot on. I wouldn’t have minded keeping whitner around just for his experience. Perhaps he could have helped with our secondary and the obviously very large learning curb it has had. The new guys are not playing better, so in reality it is not an upgrade and the best talent should always be on the field.
Schwartz was huge in my opinion….yes, he may be in the middle of the pack in regards to ratings, but he is now contributing to a pretty solid team while we are a mess on one side of our line.
Playing devils advocate, because it is always the front office letting players go, some of these player probably didn’t want to be around such a poorly run organization and I cannot blame them
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Scrolled on screen today prior to all games in NFL Network. Carson Wentz is the WORST QB in the NFL since week 4. Hes thrown 3 more interceptions today in a horrible outing yet again. Major positive for this front office in talent evaluation.
You are borderline delusional. Wentz is not the next coming of Peyton Manning, but even in what you call a horrible outing he’s producing over 300 yards of offense with no help from his running game. Yeah, he’s got to cut down on interceptions. But it’s a lot easier to fix INT’s than it is to fix a complete lack of offensive production.
Scrolled on screen today prior to all games in NFL Network. Carson Wentz is the WORST QB in the NFL since week 4. Hes thrown 3 more interceptions today in a horrible outing yet again. Major positive for this front office in talent evaluation.
You are borderline delusional. Wentz is not the next coming of Peyton Manning, but even in what you call a horrible outing he’s producing over 300 yards of offense with no help from his running game. Yeah, he’s got to cut down on interceptions. But it’s a lot easier to fix INT’s than it is to fix a complete lack of offensive production.
He threw 60 times. Call me delusional all you want. People keep ripping in us for passing on him in the draft because our office didn’t believe he could be a top 20 QB. Could it change next year? Absolutely. He could still be a HOF QB. But with current data this is a huge positive for this FO.
Freedom!!!
I still agree with the strategic decision the team made to pass on him. Their scouts told them he wasn’t a top 20 NFL QB and despite a glaring need at the position they traded the pick away for a huge ransom. That was the right decision. Whether or not the scouts were right remains to be seen, but the team made an unemotional decision and didn’t bet all their chips on a guy that their experts told them was ‘meh’.
I still agree with the strategic decision the team made to pass on him. Their scouts told them he wasn’t a top 20 NFL QB and despite a glaring need at the position they traded the pick away for a huge ransom. That was the right decision. Whether or not the scouts were right remains to be seen, but the team made an unemotional decision and didn’t bet all their chips on a guy that their experts told them was ‘meh’.
Which is why I give it a huge positive. To me it shows they’ll do the same this draft. It’s a positive start where normally we would’ve made the fan pick. We finally made a real football decision. We could look like Morin’s in a couple years, but for now it’s a great sign.
Freedom!!!
I still agree with the strategic decision the team made to pass on him. Their scouts told them he wasn’t a top 20 NFL QB and despite a glaring need at the position they traded the pick away for a huge ransom. That was the right decision. Whether or not the scouts were right remains to be seen, but the team made an unemotional decision and didn’t bet all their chips on a guy that their experts told them was ‘meh’.
But do we know what homeless people think of Wentz?? If they’re not high on him, that could be why Jimmy didn’t pull rank as well.
There was no point on drafting a qb as we obviously cannot protect one anyways. So arguing whether we should have drafted wentz is a moot point because it would not have changed the fact that our qb gets sacked more than any other team and our offense it pitiful.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
There was no point on drafting a qb as we obviously cannot protect one anyways. So arguing whether we should have drafted wentz is a moot point because it would not have changed the fact that our qb gets sacked more than any other team and our offense it pitiful.
Well that’s probably due to the learning curb lmao.
Your point is valid though. Our line is as effective at blocking as tylenol is at curing malaria. It does nothing.
I think they all might have malaria too lol.
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