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Goats:
Freddie Kitchens continues to coach penalties. Does nothing but pass all over the field and the team has absolutely zero fight or care because it’s beyond clear they’ve quit on Kitchens
Refs – not only was Njoku down, but if you are going to lie and call it an interception- you can’t give him the return yardage after he rolls off a Browns player (aka was touched)
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Brilliant move by Kitchens to not call a timeout and have a long snap for a punt happen in that wind with 3 timeouts left.
1st half 19 drop backs for passes and 6 handoffs against the worst NFL rush D.
Sign Kitchens to a 40 year extension!!!
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9:28 left in the 1st half. Soup declares the game over.
“Fan”I declared nothing over. I call it like I see it. Kitchens has put on a clinic of how to be a useless idiot today
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Genius move! Run right down the field and get inside the 5 and go empty backfield!!!!
How in the fuck does this asshole have a job???
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Starting your gameballs and goats thread, listing no gameballs and all goats, is you calling it over.
“Fan”
Uhhhh, didn’t we just win????
Shhhh, don’t tell Soup. He stopped watching midway through the 2nd quarter.
Uhhhh, didn’t we just win????
6-7 when we should be 10-3 at worst. Today was the epitome of t useless idiot. Nick Chubb is the best RB in the NFL. Cincinnati has the worst rush defense in the NFL. Chubb got 15 carries.
There was nothing impressive about today. It was the typical exercise in stupidity that is Freddie Kitchens.
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Today was the epitome of t useless idiot.
We agree on that, though we may disagree on who the idiot is.
Uhhhh, didn’t we just win????
6-7 when we should be 10-3 at worst. Today was the epitome of t useless idiot. Nick Chubb is the best RB in the NFL. Cincinnati has the worst rush defense in the NFL. Chubb got 15 carries.
There was nothing impressive about today. It was the typical exercise in stupidity that is Freddie Kitchens.Nick Chubb is not the best RB in the NFL. I love me some Nick Chubb, and I was pissed when we drafted Corbett over him. Still got him, so alls good, but he’s not the best RB in the league.
Your use of hyperbole is unparalleled. You have to be the only person in the world that would call a win “the epitome of the useless idiot.” Good lord, he came out after have and ran it an entire drive. Give it up for one freaking day. There’s no pleasing you.
Or are you just pissed that Buffalo lost?
Today was the epitome of t useless idiot.
We agree on that, though we may disagree on who the idiot is.
Ice you get a gameball for that comment.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Uhhhh, didn’t we just win????
6-7 when we should be 10-3 at worst. Today was the epitome of t useless idiot. Nick Chubb is the best RB in the NFL. Cincinnati has the worst rush defense in the NFL. Chubb got 15 carries.
There was nothing impressive about today. It was the typical exercise in stupidity that is Freddie Kitchens.Nick Chubb is not the best RB in the NFL. I love me some Nick Chubb, and I was pissed when we drafted Corbett over him. Still got him, so alls good, but he’s not the best RB in the league.
Your use of hyperbole is unparalleled. You have to be the only person in the world that would call a win “the epitome of the useless idiot.” Good lord, he came out after have and ran it an entire drive. Give it up for one freaking day. There’s no pleasing you.
Or are you just pissed that Buffalo lost?Who’s better at running the ball? He leads the NFL in rushing. Any RB with 120+ carries – he leads the nfl in YPA at 5.1. (He has 253 carries. The only RB above him have 115 carries max).
I can’t find the 2019 yards after contact numbers but in 2018 he lead the NFL
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First, don’t change your argument. You said he’s the best RB in the NFL, then come back and ask who’s better at running the ball. Not the same question.
For RBs, CMac and Dalvin Cook both have more scrimmage yards than Chubb, and Alvin Kamara and Saquon are also better receiver, making them more complete backs.
I’m not knocking Chubb, but his receiving skills are not on par with the best in the league.
First, don’t change your argument. You said he’s the best RB in the NFL, then come back and ask who’s better at running the ball. Not the same question.
For RBs, CMac and Dalvin Cook both have more scrimmage yards than Chubb, and Alvin Kamara and Saquon are also better receiver, making them more complete backs.
I’m not knocking Chubb, but his receiving skills are not on par with the best in the league.He can block and can catch. We don’t use our RB in the pass game like those other teams (Monken is too busy passing out vertical route after vertical route with more vertical routes – even Tiki Barber pointed out yesterday how long our routes take to develop).
I’ll change my statement – no one is better in the NFL at taking hand offs and running the ball than Nick Chubb. No one is worse in the NFL at stop the run than Cincinatti.
How is it acceptable in any way shape or form for Chubb to only get 15 carries in that scenario?
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How is it acceptable in any way shape or form for Chubb to only get 15 carries in that scenario?
Because we won?
So, 15 is not the number you need to look at. We also have a guy in the backfield that led the NFL in rushing 2 years ago. Like him, love him, or hate him, Kareem Hunt is a part of this team and a part of the game plan. Factoring in his 9 carries, the real number you need to look at is 24. Is it acceptable to only have 24 carries in yesterday’s game??
It’s below where it should be, there’s no arguing that. But unacceptable? I was pissed the first half, but the six or seven straight runs on the first drive after the half cooled me off.
Given the game flow, we definitely should have had more carries, as many of those carries came at the end to run the clock out. But still, it’s not so far off as to be unacceptable, and certainly not so far off to give the coach a goat in a divisional win.
By the way, here’s a full list of Browns HCs that beat the Ravens, Steelers, and Bengals in the same season since the return:
Freddie Kitchens
6 of the 7 out of half time… And what did we get out of it?
Soup cannot under the concept that the NFL is a pass first run second league. Look at the last 20 years of superbowl winners.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
6 of the 7 out of half time… And what did we get out of it?
Soup cannot under the concept that the NFL is a pass first run second league. Look at the last 20 years of superbowl winners.2018 Super Bowl champion New Wngland Patriots:
#3 in the NFL in rush attempts and #13 in pass attempts
You were saying?
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They were 17th in yards per rush, 5th in yards per pass attempt. There’s very little correlation there. There is more correlation to uniform colors in the Superbowl.
They were 17th in yards per rush, 5th in yards per pass attempt. There’s very little correlation there. There is more correlation to uniform colors in the Superbowl.
The correlation is they understand you need to run to win. Bottom 2 teams in pass attempts in 2019 is Baltimore and San Fran. They are each top 5 rush attempts.
Calling it a pass first league is illogical. You need a great QB. But you really need to run t he damn ball a lot
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Do they win because they are running the ball? Or are they running the ball a lot because they are winning?
Do they win because they are running the ball? Or are they running the ball a lot because they are winning?
I feel like we’ve been having this same argument since I joined Dawgbones in ‘07. And it probably goes back a lot further than that among others, lol.
I feel like we’ve been having this same argument since I joined Dawgbones in ‘07. And it probably goes back a lot further than that among others, lol.
It’s such a fun argument though. People take a side and act like the other is completely without merit. ‘Running is the only important thing, last year’s Superbowl champ was good at it.’ Both running and passing are important. Given the choice I’d rather be better at passing because it can get you out of bad situations. If you’re down 2 scores late you’re not going to run the ball. Also recent league rule changes have very much benefited the passing attack. If you say passing is not important then you are a fool. If you say running is not important then you are also a fool.
They were 17th in yards per rush, 5th in yards per pass attempt. There’s very little correlation there. There is more correlation to uniform colors in the Superbowl.
Wonder if he realizes that taking knees at the end of a game count towards that stat.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Do they win because they are running the ball? Or are they running the ball a lot because they are winning?
I feel like we’ve been having this same argument since I joined Dawgbones in ‘07. And it probably goes back a lot further than that among others, lol.
Best way to tell is by second half stats. If a team is up, they generally run the ball more in the second half.
Really ice nailed it with his stats the ones that actually mean something.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Do they win because they are running the ball? Or are they running the ball a lot because they are winning?
I feel like we’ve been having this same argument since I joined Dawgbones in ‘07. And it probably goes back a lot further than that among others, lol.
Best way to tell is by second half stats. If a team is up, they generally run the ball more in the second half.
Really ice nailed it with his stats the ones that actually mean something.False. When Indy played NE in the AFC Champ Indy was losin FB big at halftime. They relied on the run in half 2 and came back and won
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False. When Indy played NE in the AFC Champ Indy was losin FB big at halftime. They relied on the run in half 2 and came back and won
The last time Indy played NE in the AFC championship was in 2015. The Pats won 45-7. What the fuck are you talking about?
Even if you find the one game that you think proves your theory, there’s hundreds of games that don’t.
False. When Indy played NE in the AFC Champ Indy was losin FB big at halftime. They relied on the run in half 2 and came back and won
The last time Indy played NE in the AFC championship was in 2015. The Pats won 45-7. What the fuck are you talking about?
Even if you find the one game that you think proves your theory, there’s hundreds of games that don’t.The definition of Soupstistic.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
False. When Indy played NE in the AFC Champ Indy was losin FB big at halftime. They relied on the run in half 2 and came back and won
The last time Indy played NE in the AFC championship was in 2015. The Pats won 45-7. What the fuck are you talking about?
Even if you find the one game that you think proves your theory, there’s hundreds of games that don’t.The definition of Soupstistic.
You stating halftime leads matter when they don’t.
Fact, we don’t run the ball near enough. Fact we have 2 winning records since 1999. I’d say the stats are in my favor to run the damn thing
First half va Cindy
6 handoffs
16 passes (7 complete and 2 turnovers).
Run the fucking ball or lose
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I’m still waiting to hear more about this AFC championship game between IND and NE.
Fact, we don’t run the ball near enough. Fact we have 2 winning records since 1999. I’d say the stats are in my favor to run the damn thing
Fact, I don’t think the NE/IND game exists. Fact, I don’t think you lied, I think you actually believe it happened. Fact, I now read all your posts in the voice of Dwight Shrute.
I’m still waiting to hear more about this AFC championship game between IND and NE.
Fact, we don’t run the ball near enough. Fact we have 2 winning records since 1999. I’d say the stats are in my favor to run the damn thing
Fact, I don’t think the NE/IND game exists. Fact, I don’t think you lied, I think you actually believe it happened. Fact, I now read all your posts in the voice of Dwight Shrute.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200701210clt.htm
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You stating halftime leads matter when they don’t.
I’m pretty sure it matters. Otherwise they just wouldn’t keep score in the 1st half.
First half va Cindy
6 handoffs
16 passes (7 complete and 2 turnovers).
Run the fucking ball or lose
Or you could say “Execute the fucking passing game better or lose”. But neither would be correct. We didn’t run the ball in the 1st half but we won. We didn’t execute the passing game in the 1st half but we won.
You stating halftime leads matter when they don’t.
I’m pretty sure it matters. Otherwise they just wouldn’t keep score in the 1st half.
First half va Cindy
6 handoffs
16 passes (7 complete and 2 turnovers).
Run the fucking ball or loseOr you could say “Execute the fucking passing game better or lose”. But neither would be correct. We didn’t run the ball in the 1st half but we won. We didn’t execute the passing game in the 1st half but we won.
We didn’t run at the end of Pittsburgh and the Rams and we lost. We didn’t run at the end of half with a nice lead on Seattle and we lost.
With everyone so pass happy and attacking me about running for 20 years – if you were right we’d have more than 2 winning seasons in that time span because we are always so he’ll be t on throwing the ball
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False. When Indy played NE in the AFC Champ Indy was losin FB big at halftime. They relied on the run in half 2 and came back and won
The last time Indy played NE in the AFC championship was in 2015. The Pats won 45-7. What the fuck are you talking about?
Even if you find the one game that you think proves your theory, there’s hundreds of games that don’t.He is talking about 2007 apparently. He doesn’t mention that manning also threw the ball 47 times in a very high scoring game where apparently defenses didn’t show up.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
We didn’t run at the end of Pittsburgh and the Rams and we lost. We didn’t run at the end of half with a nice lead on Seattle and we lost.
So if we didn’t run the ball in the 1st half against Cincy and we won, but we didn’t run it at the end of 3 other games and lost, what does that prove? If you’re looking at it statistically you’ve just proven that running the ball has almost ZERO correlation to winning in those 4 games. If anything you’ve proven that running the ball in the 2nd half is much more important than running it in the 1st half. That kinda makes sense because the team that is winning usually runs the ball more in the 2nd half to protect their lead. The problem with your examples here Soup is that you’re just picking out games that fit your narrative. If I gave a shit I could pick out a ton of games that were won by passing the ball, but I don’t have to do that because everyone on this site but you knows how important the passing game is.
Running the ball is important, but passing the ball WELL is more important.
So, let me get this straight, Soup.
You’re using a game where the Colts passed it 47 times to 28 runs as proof that a Browns team that passed it 24 times to 24 runs didn’t run the ball enough.
Aim I reading this correctly? Is that really your argument?
You forgot that he had to search back 12 years to find a game that
statisticallySouptistically fit his narrative.You are all right and I’m wrong. Women should throw 40 times a game. It’s proven successful for 20 years for us. Forget handing it off. Throw all vertical routes
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Sweet Christ this thread is like watching Space Invaders played by someone who doesn’t know how to work the controller and they just keep dying slowly.
Everyone please………just…….just stop.
Women should throw 40 times a game.
Is this a typo or some new kind of humor that I’m too old to understand?
There is no reason to throw so many passes in the first half when we have 2 really good RBs, one of which is leading the league in rushing.
Kitchens doesn’t know what he is doing so he gets a goat.
Chubb gets a gameball.
Ward gets a gameball.Greedy Williams gets a goat and shouldn’t even be starting. He isn’t as good as Mitchell but Kitchens doesn’t realize it.
Women should throw 40 times a game.
Is this a typo or some new kind of humor that I’m too old to understand?
🤣 classic auto correct. Should’ve said “we should”
When your coach has a plan in rainy and highly windy New England to come out throwing and against the worst rush defense in the NFL in the Bengals to come out throwing – it’s not an execution of his offense problem. It’s flat out the coaches inability to understand game situations
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There is no reason to throw so many passes in the first half when we have 2 really good RBs, one of which is leading the league in rushing.
Kitchens doesn’t know what he is doing so he gets a goat.
Chubb gets a gameball.
Ward gets a gameball.
Greedy Williams gets a goat and shouldn’t even be starting. He isn’t as good as Mitchell but Kitchens doesn’t realize it.👍
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There is no reason to throw so many passes in the first half when we have 2 really good RBs, one of which is leading the league in rushing.
Kitchens doesn’t know what he is doing so he gets a goat.
Chubb gets a gameball.
Ward gets a gameball.
Greedy Williams gets a goat and shouldn’t even be starting. He isn’t as good as Mitchell but Kitchens doesn’t realize it.How can you blame Kitchens for Greedy? That blame should fall on Wilks. I know people today like to blame the man in charge for everything, but I’m pretty confident Kitchens isn’t setting the defenses starting lineup and dictating whose playing.
There is no reason to throw so many passes in the first half when we have 2 really good RBs, one of which is leading the league in rushing.
Kitchens doesn’t know what he is doing so he gets a goat.
Chubb gets a gameball.
Ward gets a gameball.
Greedy Williams gets a goat and shouldn’t even be starting. He isn’t as good as Mitchell but Kitchens doesn’t realize it.How can you blame Kitchens for Greedy? That blame should fall on Wilks. I know people today like to blame the man in charge for everything, but I’m pretty confident Kitchens isn’t setting the defenses starting lineup and dictating whose playing.
Kitchens purposely lost to the Steelers by benching Randall. Issues with this team begin with Kitchens. Properly “splitting” carries with Chubb and Hunt would be 20 for Chubb and 15 for Hunt at minimum. Not just limiting overall running plays like he seems to do.
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Kitchens purposely lost to the Steelers by benching Randall.
Quoted for stupidity
Its easy to blame the coach for starting a player who has sucked most of the year over a player who usually performs at least average when he is in there.
And I am not saying that Chubb and Hunt should get close to the same amount of carries but we need to run the ball more regardless of who gets the ball between Chubb and Hunt.
The funny thing is that I don’t think there’s a person on this forum who doesn’t think we should run the ball more, but Soup takes it to such an absurd level that we end up disagreeing with him. If we don’t open the game with 6 straight runs Kitchens should be fired. Ok George.
The funny thing is that I don’t think there’s a person on this forum who doesn’t think we should run the ball more, but Soup takes it to such an absurd level that we end up disagreeing with him. If we don’t open the game with 6 straight runs Kitchens should be fired. Ok George.
Fact: no team that has opened a game up with 6 straight runs has ever lost. EVER.
The funny thing is that I don’t think there’s a person on this forum who doesn’t think we should run the ball more, but Soup takes it to such an absurd level that we end up disagreeing with him. If we don’t open the game with 6 straight runs Kitchens should be fired. Ok George.
I would say our coaches are the ones who take the pass to the absurd level and refuse to run
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