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Game balls:
None.
Goats:
Hue Jackson. You refuse to run the ball. Have fun finding a job week 12 you two bit loser.
Greg Williams. 10 minutes still to go and your D let up 31 already to a 3rd string QB who has been with the team for 3 weeks.
Kizer – please get a 15 week migraine. You SUCK.
Peppers. Take remedial geometry. You blow ass.
Britt. Please retire.
Ricardo Louis. Please cut yourself. Clean out your locker and just leave.
Sashi Brown. Using a 1st round pick on Peppers and a second on Kizer should cost you your job. You’ve no clue what you are doing. You suck. Not to mention using a 1st last year on a slot receiver.
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Don’t know how you can give Kizer a goat. He was asked to do WAY to much today, and he got 0 help from his receivers. 8 or 9 dropped passes. He was constantly in 3rd an log because of dropped passes and Hue’s refusal to run the damn ball. I’m not saying he played a great game or anything, because he didn’t. But he definitely doesn’t deserve a goat.
On, and the refs deserve goats for not calling obvious holds on the first 2 scoring drives the colts had. I’m not talking about run of the mill holding, because that stuff gets missed all the time. I’m talking about 2 separate plays where Browns rushers were grabbed right before they could get to Brisset. Obvious holds.
As I said in chat, living in Pittsburgh I’ve become accustomed to looking at things the way championship fans do. Just because he’s asked to do too much doesn’t mean he gets a free pass on stupid throws resulting in interceptions. Deshone Kizer leads the NFL in turnovers. It’s simple. He sucked at Notre Dame. He was so terrible he was benched. Why a 2nd round pick was wasted on him is mind boggling. He’s awful and as I said week 1. He got a free pass from me due to age and situation. I also said that’s the only week he gets it. He was PURE TRASH today.
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Living in Pittsburg doesn’t give you super special game vision. I’m not giving him a free pass on anything, but I’m also not crucifying him for making rookie mistakes. What you’re seeing is more about you wanting to be right than it is about how Kizers doing.
Living in Pittsburg doesn’t give you super special game vision. I’m not giving him a free pass on anything, but I’m also not crucifying him for making rookie mistakes. What you’re seeing is more about you wanting to be right than it is about how Kizers doing.
More about wanting to be right?
He leads the NFL in turnovers. Stupid throws in coverage are rookie mistakes. Being wildly off target like you were in college has nothing to do with being a rookie.
I didn’t say living in Pittsburgh gave me better vision. It showed me the difference in expectations. I expect more. You expect less (which I used to expect less too).
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Roethlisberger led the NFL in interceptions his third year in the league. Why didn’t all those “championship expectation” fans run him out of town??
As for being “wildly off target,” that’s a stretch. He had some throws that could’ve been better, but everybody does. He was on a lot more than he was off today, but our receivers can’t catch passes that hit them in the hands.
For the record, I also wanted nothing to do with Peppers or Kizer, though you like to lump the 5 people on here all together. I’m far from a Kizer fan, I’m just calling it like I see it. And Kizer was far from the reason we lost today.
Roethlisberger led the NFL in interceptions his third year in the league. Why didn’t all those “championship expectation” fans run him out of town??
As for being “wildly off target,” that’s a stretch. He had some throws that could’ve been better, but everybody does. He was on a lot more than he was off today, but our receivers can’t catch passes that hit them in the hands.
For the record, I also wanted nothing to do with Peppers or Kizer, though you like to lump the 5 people on here all together. I’m far from a Kizer fan, I’m just calling it like I see it. And Kizer was far from the reason we lost today.Um, as a rookie the Steelers made it to the AFC championship game.
In year 2 he won a Super Bowl.
Any other absurd comparison attempts?
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Not a ridiculous comparison at all. You want to harp on Kizer leading the NFL in turnovers after 3 weeks because you live in Pittsburgh and it’s given you some kind of amazing football knowledge that mere mortals can only wish they had. Roethlisberger did the same thing you’re harping on Kizer for in his 3rd year of starting, yet they didn’t run him out of town.
You want another example? Peyton Manning led the league in INTs his rookie year. Is it a good thing? No. Does leading the league in a bad stat somehow make him Manning? Of course not. But I’m not going to overreact to a few bad throws from a young player being asked to do to much with little talent to throw the ball to.
It showed me the difference in expectations. I expect more. You expect less (which I used to expect less too).
If I didn’t know you were in sales before, I would now. Tremendous expectations with no responsibility for obtaining the results (or even understanding how to get there). The Browns should be doing better because “you have raised your expectations”. I bet you have a fantasy football team and play Madden too. You think because you say it or want it that it will just happen? No offense, but who the fuck are you? How have we faired since you raised “your expectations”? I’ll congratulate you on this, you certainly are acting more like a douchebag Steelers fan than ever before. Word of advice though, it’s tough to be a fair weather fan when there is no fair weather.
This shit is the reason why every 40 year old or younger salesman I talk to with +6 weeks of experience is now a Vice President with a janitor’s salary. I have millennials with no industry experience quitting after 6 months because “they can’t make a difference”. Sorry, expectations and “making a difference” are reserved for people who actually matter. People who have rebuilt a team before.
“You don’t know what I know or don’t know.”
Sure I do. When you call a player a bust after 3 games, when you call yourself a Browns fan but model your “expectations” (and behavior) after Steelers fans, when you tear down the very players you’re supposed to be cheering for, when the GM of “your” team tells you to “go root for Buffalo”, I’d say maybe I know a thing or two.
I live in Green Bay. I saw this franchise rise from nothing. I saw its fans cheer on Favre through countless interceptions. I saw them stick with Mason Crosby through one of the worst kicking droughts in franchise history to go 7 for 7 in the 2014 post season 2 years later.
Blowing things up constantly doesn’t work. New regimes should not have to pay for the failures of past regimes. The Browns are in the middle of a 5 year rebuild. This is the start of year number #2. They rolled the dice on Kizer because he was a good value in round 2. He was never presented by the team as the best QB in the draft (remember, I pushed for Bridgewater, Goff and Mahomes so I have no reason to try to justify the pick).
Kizer has been set up to fail. We have no WR talent to speak of, refuse to utilize the running game and have been inconsistent on defense. Still, in spite of his weaknesses, he has flashed. Maybe he’s a bust, maybe everything you thought about him WAS true. Players develop throughout their careers, that is the natural progression. He needs time to adjust to the speed of the game. It’s a known phenomenon. He’s not the first to struggle with it and he won’t be the last. But know this: the odds are against every QB succeeding in the NFL. If you can’t cheer for him in spite of that…
Go root for Buffalo.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Soups a turd. Soup’s posts are about as worthless as kenny britt.
If he was in sales, he would drop the loser cleveland clowns and root for his local team. The clowns fans just are what they are, people who don’t care about being competitive in life. No one on this forum is even old enough to remember when the team really won….only a few guys remember the couple of ok 80’s years where we got burnt by the fucking broncos.
So for middle ages soup to say he has some sort of awareness, he is really just retarded for rooting for the same loser then.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
^^^well said. My thoughts exactly. Except for the Green Bay stuff, I’ve never been. Up until last year I’ve lived in Toledo (live a little further southwest now, in Browns territory) and I’ve put up with Lions fans complaining about Matt Stafford. Really wanna go back up there and throat punch em all.
I find it humorous that you all think I cheer against him. It’s actually laughable.
Did you forgot how I said I was impressed in preseason? Did you forget I made a case for him to start? Did you forget I gave him a week one game ball?
Now the part all of you forgot without question. Week 1 you said you saw a different team. Week 1 I said I saw the same team as last year.
We are 0-3. Haven’t been in the last 2 games at all. (No, I don’t consider 2 prevent TDs and onside kick attempts being in a game).
Bad drops.
Can’t tackle.
Shredded by a 3rd string QB.
what’s changed?
Do I want to blow it all up? Nope. Just one piece needs destroyed immediately. Hue must relinquish his OC duties right now. The longer he holds on the higher the probability of a 2 win season and a front office explosion.
Do teams change overnight? Ask the 3-13 Rams of 1998 if they do.
Was I expecting playoffs this year? Nope. Was I expecting to be very competitive with potential to win 8 games? Yep.
We just lost to the Colts 3rd string QB that was with the team for 3 weeks.
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Gameballs:
Duke Johnson, Schobert. Two guys who have really stepped up. Even in a loss, those guys deserve a shout out.Goats:
NFL: Thank you so much for injecting politics into football. Goodell you suck.Refs: There were so many calls both ways that were just ridiculous. The roughing the QB call on what was a textbook QB hit changed the game but there were plenty of calls or no-calls that should have Colts fans up in arms too. Just a terrible outing and both coaches should send game films to the NFL with the letters WTF on them.
Browns receivers: As a group, they cannot catch the football. At all. The exception is Leslie whose catch was certainly good enough to be rerun on ESPN all day. The rest of them need to spend their Monday off day with the jugs machine. At least 6 of those 9 drops were drive-extending game-changing plays that would probably have been the difference between a win and a loss. Hugh has a good poker face but even he looked like he was about to explode on most of those drops.
Peppers: Fair catch on a punt when we’re in Hail Mary and onsides kick mode?
Defense: 31 points. Colts. Chuck Pagano must have some friends on the Browns D because they just saved his job for another week.
Soup: Makes football about him. Every post in the gameday chat started with either “I told you so” or “For the record I said…”. That’s why you’re taking a ton of shit today Soup. No one cares who correctly guessed which players would suck. No one ever has. Tell us the players you think will be awesome. That’s a hell of a lot tougher.
@ice. Read my original post. Nothing about me. Dawg E Dawg asked how I could give him a goat. I explained how.
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It’s not just about your original post in this thread Soup, this is something you’ve done for years. You say everyone’s gonna suck, then remind us unceasingly of those times you’ve been right about players that suck. It takes ZERO intelligence to guess which players will suck. Tell us who you think is going to be good, then down the road if you’re right then maybe we’ll be impressed.
Joe Thomas. There. (In regards to Browns. Other players? Was livid we passed on Lesean McCoy 3 times)
Back to this thread. Not sure how anyone can justify not giving Kizer a goat.
If he had begun to progress at all, Duke Johnson would’ve had about 200 yards receiving over the middle. Week 1 he held the ball an average of 3.1 seconds. Week 2? 3.3 seconds. I’ll be curious where week 3 comes out. He holds the ball way too long and more often than not throws way too late. His stride is also so long it causes the ball to dip and fall short at times.
His interceptions didn’t go off receivers hands. They were horrible throws. Right decision, way off the mark.
Again, not rookie coverage mistakes.
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There was one pick that was off the mark. One. The other did in fact hit off a receivers hands. It wasn’t a great throw, but it did hit off the receivers hands. Try watching the throws before you comment on them. The 3rd pick I’m ignoring because it was a desperation heave that he wouldn’t have thrown if he didn’t have to.
Additionally, his receivers dropped passes all day. They had 4 OPI calls on them that had 0 to do with Kizer. He was facing 3rd and long all day because of penalties and dropped passes. Again, I never said he deserves a gameball, but only in your black and white world does that performance come any where near goat worthy.
Sorry, a way off target throw a reciever touches, I don’t consider to be “off the hands.” Think Britt week 1. Dead in stride drop. If that was picked it’d be “off the hands.” A late shit throw with a WR reaching way behind himself doesn’t qualify.
To me, throwing late and missing open guys = goat. On one of his plays there were a minimum two wide open guys and he never threw it
Quick checks to Duke would’ve destroyed them and force them up opening the deep balls. He’s had 3 weeks to show he has a clock in his head. He hasn’t shown it.
When stats update later this week we will see where the team is with drops overall. Had 3 (same as the Patriots) going into this week.
That said Duke did deserve a game ball. Should’ve mentioned him in the original post.
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See, to me, off the hands is off the hands. I don’t make up qualifiers and my own rules. Had Britt not touched that pass, it falls incomplete. As it was, Britt deflected it right to and Indy DB. Hence, it was off the hands.
I don’t care where the team is overall with drops, because this conversation is not about the season, it’s about yesterday’s game. And in yesterday’s game, the receivers were shit. Give Kizer a goat if you want, just know that you’re crazy.
See, to me, off the hands is off the hands. I don’t make up qualifiers and my own rules. Had Britt not touched that pass, it falls incomplete. As it was, Britt deflected it right to and Indy DB. Hence, it was off the hands.
I don’t care where the team is overall with drops, because this conversation is not about the season, it’s about yesterday’s game. And in yesterday’s game, the receivers were shit. Give Kizer a goat if you want, just know that you’re crazy.I earmarked 3 drops on purpose for the year. We’ll see where that number jumps to to see how many actual drops there were.
My qualifier and your qualifier differ more in the sense that I’m looking for accurate passes. Would it have been picked if Britt didn’t touch it? Doubtful. But if the throw was on target it definitely would not have been picked (most likely scenerio is he bats it into the ground because it’s Britt).
My point is calling that one off the hands shifts blame to the reciever when the throw was late garbage. That’s why I qualify it. That one doesn’t deserve blame shift.
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Bottom line we all want the same thing.
Am I being too harsh on a guy who may be a great QB in the making? Maybe. But I’m sick of ever changing QBs and want one to own the position.
Are you trying to will him to be a good QB when he isn’t? Maybe. But you are sick of ever changing QBs and want one to own the position.
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Bottom line we all want the same thing.
Am I being too harsh on a guy who may be a great QB in the making? Maybe. But I’m sick of ever changing QBs and want one to own the position.
Are you trying to will him to be a good QB when he isn’t? Maybe. But you are sick of ever changing QBs and want one to own the position.Now that I can agree with. I’m far from sold on Kizer, but I’m quick to jump to his defense mostly because Hue pissed me off yesterday by just completely refusing to run the ball time and time again. He’s the biggest goat yesterday.
Perfect example: we get a fist down at the 5, and first play we pass out of the shotgun. Why? You’ve made life a lot easier on the defense by eliminating the run threat. Crowell is not a shifty back that should be running draws, so it’s just not a good look in that situation. Luckily, they got a penalty and moved the ball half the distance to the goal. Next play: play action and an easy loft to Njoku for the TD. It worked out for the Browns, but if you run on first and second from the 5, you can still do the play action on 3rd down and get he TD if you haven’t already gotten it, and you don’t need the penalty, and you don’t risk your rookie QB turning it over in the red zone, again.
Joe Thomas. There. (In regards to Browns. Other players? Was livid we passed on Lesean McCoy 3 times)
We’ve known each other, what, 12 years? In 12 years you’ve only identified 2 players that would not suck in the NFL. Amazing.
Joe Thomas. There. (In regards to Browns. Other players? Was livid we passed on Lesean McCoy 3 times)
We’ve known each other, what, 12 years? In 12 years you’ve only identified 2 players that would not suck in the NFL. Amazing.
I wrote down 2 to appease you and bring the thread back. But since that’s not good enough:
Big Ben. Got laughed off an old board along with @shooter for calling him a future HOF.
Larry Fitzgerald – the one exception I made for taking a WR inside the top 10 of an NFL draft.
Eric Berry (who obviously went to early for us to get) and Earl Thomas over Joe Haden.
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It’s pretty simple Kizer will suck until we get 3 solid receivers. These guys just suck.
Denver is still a pretty solid team with a shitty qb and excellent wr and a solid rb. It’s the best formula to get to the playoffs. We have failed at every level.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Who is our playmaker on offense? Every good offense has at least 1 playmaker that defenses have to create a plan to stop. Who is ours?
We don’t have one. Closest thing we have to it IMO is Duke Johnson. For some reason he only has 6 rushing attempts, but is averaging over 7 yards per carry. He’s got 11 receptions for 160 yards. That’s over 14 per, and he gets a LOT of those yards after the catch. He’s also a good pass blocker. He should never come off the field IMO. When Crow is on the field, Duke should become a 2nd slot receiver. I’d rather have Duke on the field than Dwayne Bowe. Oh sorry, I mean Kenny Britt (I get them confused).
Duke Johnson wouldn’t make 28 other teams. He is a threat because no team actually takes him serious. We have zero threats on offense and have only 3 good linemen…. This team is still light years off from being competitive.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Who is our playmaker on offense? Every good offense has at least 1 playmaker that defenses have to create a plan to stop. Who is ours?
We don’t have one. Closest thing we have to it IMO is Duke Johnson. For some reason he only has 6 rushing attempts, but is averaging over 7 yards per carry. He’s got 11 receptions for 160 yards. That’s over 14 per, and he gets a LOT of those yards after the catch. He’s also a good pass blocker. He should never come off the field IMO. When Crow is on the field, Duke should become a 2nd slot receiver. I’d rather have Duke on the field than Dwayne Bowe. Oh sorry, I mean Kenny Britt (I get them confused).Duke Johnson and Crowell. As for Duke – Kizer doesn’t look at him. He only looks deep and holds the ball too long. As I previously stated – had he kept throwing to Duke (on time) he’d have killed them and forced them up in the box opening the seeper throws. For a guy to be a playmaker you have to gethim the ball on time. there were multiple replays shown of Kizer holding the ball too long with multiple options open.
Per PFF week 3:
Per PFF, Kizer was pressured on 19-of-52 dropbacks (36.5%), and was 4-of-15 for 78 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a 43.2 QB rating on those plays. His production when holding on to the ball for 2.5 seconds remains poor, as he had a 21.8 QB rating on those plays.
Couple that with:
Joe Thomas today:
52 pass blocks
0 sacks allowed
0 hits allowed
0 hurries allowed
0 pressures allowedKizer is his own worst enemey followed tightly by Hue’s stupidity.
Other tidbits:
Crowell 10 carries for 40 yards in half 1. 2 carries in half 2.
Crow was on the field for 41 snaps. Duke was on the field for 40 snaps.
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Dude, Duke would make any NFL team. He’s legit, though not a superstar.
What we’re missing is that #1 receiver. The guy that forces other teams to double cover him or he makes them pay. They’re all over the league, and somehow the Browns haven’t had one for the last 20 years. You know who we need? The guy that we could’ve had years ago in Julio Jones. But no, we’ve watched guys like Jones, Mike Evans, and on and on and on get picked by other teams.
Dude, Duke would make any NFL team. He’s legit, though not a superstar.
What we’re missing is that #1 receiver. The guy that forces other teams to double cover him or he makes them pay. They’re all over the league, and somehow the Browns haven’t had one for the last 20 years. You know who we need? The guy that we could’ve had years ago in Julio Jones. But no, we’ve watched guys like Jones, Mike Evans, and on and on and on get picked by other teams.On the flip side – Julio Jones has Matt Ryan. Evans has Winston.
Tom Brady (with the exception of Randy Moss for a year or 2) has never had a “#1” reciever. I’m aware Tom Brady is the exception as a player – but he, Peyton Manning, etc make guys like we have into stars. (Amendola, Edleman, Welker, Collie ,the list goes on).
Kizer had ample opportunities to release the ball but didn’t. My biggest red flag is that he’s seeming to hold the ball longer each week. His #1 issue is needing to get the ball out faster. He needs to stop reading deep 1st because he locks there.
Hard to have a playmaker when the QB won’t throw it (at all let alone on time). It takes rhythym to get that going.
Rhythym is my biggest pet peeve of why I’m so adament against “QB competitions” in camps. It takes that possibility away.
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Bray I’ll agree with. Peyton had great receivers his whole career, from Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to Demaryus Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders. He did make guys like Brandon Stokely and Austin Collie look better than they were, but that was after years in the league. But regardless, they go hand in hand. Great and make WRs look better, great WRs make and look better. If we had an average NFL WR group, Id put the blame on Kizer. But we don’t.
Completely agree with getting the balm out faster. It’s a common problem with big QBs, they’re used to being able to put muscle guys and make the play later from being so much bigger than other players at the lower levels.
As for rhythm, that’s why losing Coleman for most of the season hurts, because Kizer had some rhythm with him.
Did he really have rhythm with Kizer though? Coleman had 5 catches week 1 and 1 week 2.
As an FYI, and I do t subscribe so I don’t have the detailed analysis, through 3 weeks Kizer is rated as QB #31 in the NFL by PFF with a 49 (poor according to their scale). I know they do all sorts of details. Anyone here subscribe?
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Big Ben. Got laughed off an old board along with @shooter for calling him a future HOF.
I can attest to this.
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