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Game balls:
Indianapolis Colts for giving us the #4 pick int he draft.
Higgins – 2 TDs and a pass defensed.
Gordon – 115 yards
Goats:
Kizer – stupid turnover mixed with several dropped stupid throws by the Steelers D. 2 biggest idiot moves though? Burning a time out with under 2 minutes left. Finally, when he could’ve run for the first on 4th and 2 he stupidly threw it. Said it many times – too many bad things can happen when you throw. I understand it was a perfect throw and an inexcusable drop – but that’s why – in that situation – you take the 1st down and move on.
Corey Coleman – you suck and are a weak bodied bust. Anything higher than WR #4 next year and Dorsey has failed us in the Wr department.
Sashi Brown – for saddling us with the horribleness of guys like Coleman and Kizer.
Gregg Williams – the Steelers 2nd string offense absolutely owned this defense in half 1. Half 2 what changed? Steelers had to put in their 3rd string center. Landrey fucking Jones, who sucks horribly, was 23 for 27 against this defense. Think about that. Their back up running backs – including a guy just signed 2 weeks ago – had 22 carries for 102 yards at 4.6 YPC.
Chris Tabor – somehow people keep rehiring you. Please resign already you shithead. You suck.
Hue Jackson – 1-31. You are your record. YEs, you were saddled with god awful players, but 1-31 is beyond inexcusable. You just lost to a 2nd string team.
Freedom!!!
This team in my humble opinion would be better with better coaching at least 4 or 5 wins with the current roster, hue should be gone period !
I disagree Mike. I know people want to lay blame at the coaches feet, and sure ultimately things do lie with him, but the reality is this: Deshone Kizer is fucking terrible. This was a 4-5 win team easily with better QB play. He was awful. 11 TD’s against 22 INT’s and 9 fumbles. An abysmal, laughable completion percentage. Horrible decision making. He took 38 sacks when it should easily have been half that. Drive killing mistake after drive killing mistake, game after game. Horrifically inept in the Redzone (and led the league in turnovers while down there). Little to no improvement week to week.
Combine those weapons of mass destruction with the elite skills of Crowell running up the centers asshole 15 times per game, with no one worthy of a Canadian Football League roster spot to throw to and it’s easy to see that there was absolutely no chance in hell that this team could possibly have won a fucking football game.
Still, I have to believe that a reasonably decent, marginally functional, mildly capable veteran QB of low skill level could have used David Njoku more, used Duke more, and found a way to incorporate at least one or two of those future Uber Drivers into the passing game just a tad more while eeking out a 4-5 win season for us. Brock Osweiler would have won 4 games for us.
If Josh McCown was behind center this year, the Browns are 6-10.
If Aaron Rodgers was on this team we’re 8-8.
Yes, Hue had some deficiencies. He made some questionable decisions. He made some mistakes. I won’t argue that.
But when he constantly had his guys up and ready to play, and had us in position many times to win a game, Kizer would rise to the occassion and completely fuck all that hard work up nearly instantly. I can’t put that on Hue.
Hue Jackson has not forgotten how to coach or how to win in the NFL. Kizer meanwhile has no clue how to win, and never will.
Completely incorrect shooter. You literally kill your own argument in every step.
1 you blame kizer
2 now we have a receiving corp that isn’t worthy of cfl
3 then you all of a sudden think nojuku who had a bunch of drops as is just simply not a great blocker the second coming.
4 then you think Crowell has elite skills…. I mean I don’t doubt he would be a starter on another team or two, but I wouldn’t call him elite. Peterson carried a terrible offense once into the playoffs. Crowell couldn’t even carry us to 1 win. If Crowell was this good or this elite, he would have made hue Jackson look like he knew what he was doing.
5 if all these things you said were indeed accurately then hue is a complete moron because he didn’t play to the teams strengths. Remember mangini won 5/6 with no qb and Jerome Harrison.My opinion is this team is really bad because of hue Jackson. It’s like he doesn’t coach at all during the week. Players were constantly inconsistent and not improving. This team lacked so much discipline. How many times did this defense give opposing teams first down because they jumped offsides or did something really stupid.
The offense was a turnover machine and it wasn’t just all on Kizer…. Fumble after catches all year long. Even though Duke was a big improvement this year, seems like he has handle problems on the ball after catches.
As many poor decisions as Kizer made thus year, why did it not ever improve week to week? It never looked like hue and him ever were on the same page. Every turnover, the camera showed hue looking or talking to him “like look at what you did” not “this is why it happened and here is how we fix it”.
Hue is a pitiful coach and haslem is the worst owner this league has ever had. How anyone can have any faith or trust in this guy after he drafted manziel is just disturbing.
6 mccown wouldn’t have won a game here this year. He didn’t win any games here. He is terrible.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
I toched on this in the Jacksion thread you started so I’ll keep it more simplified here.
Deshaun Watson starting for the Texans: 3-3 record – 34.6 PPG (lowest point total in those 3 losses was 33).
All other Houston QB’s starting: 1-9 (win came against Blaine Gabbert). 12.9 PPG.
It is undoubtedly the QB.
As for the turnovers, correct not all were on Kizer. However – a league leading 28 were on Kizer. No, that’s not a typo. Kizer, the worst QB prospect in last years draft who we wasted a 2nd round pick on, was responsible for as many or more turnovers than 29 other teams totals.
Let that sink in for a moment:
Denver 34 give aways
Miami 29 give aways
Deshon Kizer 28 give aways
Houston 28 Give Aways
Oakland 28 Give aways
Every other NFL TEAM 27 or less give aways.Re-read the above until it actually registers with you at how awful, terrible, worthless and useless Kizer was and is to this team.
When you start to re-read it – make sure you are by a sink or toilet so you don’t have to clean vomit stains from your carpet.
Freedom!!!
SOUP THIS TOPIC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DESHAWN WATSON. HE WILL NEVER BE A BROWN. IF YOU HAVE THAT MUCH LOVE FOR HIM GO WRITE YOUR MAN LOVE FOR HIM ON A HOUSTON TEXANS FORUM.
I have always loved manning. I could have written the same thing you did for the better part of the last 20 years. See how easy that is?
Why didn’t hutch Davis draft Tom Brady. I can write your same garbage there too.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Um, so a real life example of the difference a QB makes doesn’t back up @shooter points? How so?
Deshon Kizer literally turned the ball over MORE than 26 NFL teams did.
With Deshaun Watson Houston averaged 21.7 PPG more than they did without him when they went 1-9.
How is that not relevant?
Look at GB with Rodgers and without him. Playoffs with him, at home without him.
How is this not relevant?
Tom Savage is light years ahead of Kizer and so is TJ Yates, yet Houston managed only 1 win with them Starting. How could you expect Hue to win with the worst QB to take the field in the last 7 years of the NFL?
Freedom!!!
then you think Crowell has elite skills…. I mean I don’t doubt he would be a starter on another team or two, but I wouldn’t call him elite.
I’m just simply going to say this: Bro, you can’t fucking read.
At all.
Maybe go back and check out what I said about Crowell, because I sure as shit didn’t call him elite. Jesus Christ.
then you think Crowell has elite skills…. I mean I don’t doubt he would be a starter on another team or two, but I wouldn’t call him elite.
I’m just simply going to say this: Bro, you can’t fucking read.
At all.
Maybe go back and check out what I said about Crowell, because I sure as shit didn’t call him elite. Jesus Christ.
Deshon Kizer literally turned the ball over MORE than 26 NFL teams did.
Jesus it’s even worse when you say it like that.
then you all of a sudden think nojuku who had a bunch of drops as is just simply not a great blocker the second coming.
It’s a good thing I know how to decipher your gibberish. No, I don’t think Njoku is the second coming (of who you never mentioned, but whatever). Never stated anything of the sort, I simply said a better QB would have gotten him more involved.
if all these things you said were indeed accurately then hue is a complete moron because he didn’t play to the teams strengths.
My point you thick-skulled, stoned troglodyte, is that there AREN’T any strengths to fucking play to. If there were, he would have done so. But since there isn’t any, there’s nothing he could do. We could reanimate Bill fucking Walsh and he still woulda went 0-16 because we had a QB less valuable than David goddamn Klingler.
Players were constantly inconsistent and not improving.
That’s because they fucking suck.
The offense was a turnover machine and it wasn’t just all on Kizer….
The offense was a turnover machine and it wasn’t just all on Kizer….
Yes, it was.
As many poor decisions as Kizer made thus year, why did it not ever improve week to week?
Because he fucking sucks, that’s why. Coaching can’t fix terrible.
6 mccown wouldn’t have won a game here this year. He didn’t win any games here. He is terrible.
Obviously you didn’t see what he did with the nearly as shitty Jets this year.
Further, if you don’t think having a QB worth his weight makes a difference, see the San Fransisco 49ers.
Putrid, awful 1-10 with Hoyer and whoever the hell else that other scrub was.
5-0 with Garrapolo.
Tell me, was it coaching? Did Shanahan just suck something terrible for 11 weeks and then all the sudden really turn it on for his team, or do you think that maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe the QB play had a little something to do with that?
Shitty QB’s can make a good coach look really fucking shitty. Shitty QB’s can make everyone else on the team loo really fucking shitty. Good QB’s do the opposite.
Guess which kind we had this year?
Further, if you don’t think having a QB worth his weight makes a difference, see the San Fransisco 49ers.
Putrid, awful 1-10 with Hoyer and whoever the hell else that other scrub was.
5-0 with Garrapolo.
Tell me, was it coaching? Did Shanahan just suck something terrible for 11 weeks and then all the sudden really turn it on for his team, or do you think that maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe the QB play had a little something to do with that?
Shitty QB’s can make a good coach look really fucking shitty. Shitty QB’s can make everyone else on the team loo really fucking shitty. Good QB’s do the opposite.
Guess which kind we had this year?josh mccown was 0 – forever then he won some games with jets.
tim tebow took the broncos to the playoffs.
kaepernick took the 49ers to the superbowl
when its all said and done, bad qbs can win too.
Jimmy G may have been a missing piece to an already improving program. I don’t sit here and watch a shitty 49er’s team, I have enough garbage to watch on sundays.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
then you think Crowell has elite skills…. I mean I don’t doubt he would be a starter on another team or two, but I wouldn’t call him elite.
I’m just simply going to say this: Bro, you can’t fucking read.
At all.
Maybe go back and check out what I said about Crowell, because I sure as shit didn’t call him elite. Jesus Christ.my apologies, i did misread when i was on the “shootyer” early.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Kizer was so bad the Higgins fumbled the ball to lose the game. Or Corey Coleman dropped the ball sunday to lose the game. Great job kizer! Oh yeah great job for causing duke johnson to fumble the ball. Kizer is so bad he makes other people fumble the ball……
jesus christ….the dude makes poor decisions all the time, but to put the blame on him completely is insane.
and are you fucking nuts you can’t coach up players? this kind of stupidity is probably why highly ranked athletes come to cleveland and suck. they have zero work ethic and zero motivation. Is hue ever in the fucking work around room with them or is he on the field first thing in the morning motivating guys to train harder?
probably not
instead that fucking loser hue because that is exactly what he is, stands on the sideline looking stupider than crennel and arguing with players who come off the field after a turn over instead of addressing them like a leader, picking them up, and changing the culture.
hue is a loser. a stupid terrible coach
Coleman dropped that ball, and Kizer went over to him and told him it would be ok. Where the fuck was HUE. Instead he is pulling a fast one over the idiots in cleveland because they want consistency…..well consistency of that fucking loser hue is what you get.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
So Kizer didn’t throw a pick? Higgins didn’t save Kizer on another stupid pick? Kizer didn’t lead the league in red zone turnovers? Kizer didn’t have more turnovers himself than 26 other NFL team? Is that hat you are saying?
Freedom!!!
So Kizer didn’t throw a pick? Higgins didn’t save Kizer on another stupid pick? Kizer didn’t lead the league in red zone turnovers? Kizer didn’t have more turnovers himself than 26 other NFL team? Is that hat you are saying?
Do you want me to tell him how many turnovers the Browns had that weren’t Kizers fault, or do you wanna do it? You can have some glory here my man, have some fun.
Even better, tell him the number if you discount the other QB’s turnovers.
Go ahead Soup, tell him. Tell him how many non QB/Non Kizer turnovers the Browns had this year. Talk about “all” those Duke Johnson fumbles and “all” those WR fumbles and “all” those other team turnovers not attributed to Kizer or a QB that stepped in in his stead.
Ga’head. You live for this stuff. Shred him.
Look Dude the reality is this: Hue can’t be judged realistically on his merits right now because he just flat-out wasn’t given a fair shake. No one knows what his merits are.
You can argue that all you want, and be upset with that line of thinking, but it’s the simple truth. He’s been handed garbage and as such has gotten garbage results. Nothing more can be drawn from that than what it is.
If he had receivers, a QB, and a running back that didn’t want to see the inside of his linemans colons, and then went I dunno, 3-13……sure, you could say that he sucks. Fire him. Beat it fuckjack.
But when your 2 best players on offense are Duke Johnson (love him. Heart of a fucking Champion that guy) and a guy who has been out of football for 3 years for heavy drugging and szzurping that just slapped some pads back on and walked out……………I mean, yeah, you’re gonna fucking suck. And suck real, REAL bad.
Again, Hue Jackson didn’t forget how to coach. Hue Jackson didn’t forget how to win in the NFL. He’s a very, very good coach. Is he a good head coach? Man, I have no idea. I know he’s got some balls though, and I know he wants to se this through.
I give him points for that.
I want to judge him when he actually has pieces to work with.
Until then, I can’t.
He is not a good coach. He is an absolutely terrible coach. You have shown zero evidence that he is a good coach. What has he done for this organization to even remotely think this guy is a good coach?
You can try to insult me as much as you want, but even bad coaches with good players still win and bad coaches with bad players still find a way to win.
Not sure what your man love is for Hue. I will disagree with you on some of this talent on this team. Bill belichek and Mike Tomlin both continuously draft players whether they are back up qbs or wide receivers with abilities and then they coach them up and put the entire tool box together.
Anyone at my house can figure out hue Jackson’s play calling. It is absolutely trash. It simply is so easy to determine what these guys are doing. Why do you think our qb get sacked league Hughes every year.
Of you don’t think a coach involved in players training and lives daily is not required out of the NFL to be a great team, then I have another thing coming. Hue just sits there after game after game saying we have to look at the tape. This is the biggest scam in nfl history. Literally, they are draining fools in Cleveland who keep paying for this.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Tomlin isn’t the Steelers GM and Jarvis Jones was a bust.
You can’t coach garbage.
You blame him for losing. We lost to the Jets 17-14. The garbage kicker he was given missed 2 FG.
Kizer audibles to an option and threw it so bad he was credited with a fumble. We were inside the 5.
On 3rd and 3 from the Jets 4 Kizer threw an interception.
He was subsequently benched at half-time for Hogan who gave us our first lead of the year.
So what calls should’ve been made in those situations? Remember, your first Kize call doesn’t matter because Kizer called the audible.
How about Green Bay in OT? Kizer threw an int to put her right in FG range. A moronic int on 3rd down. How’s that on Hue?
Did you even watch this year? Did you see how awful Kizer truly is?
You ripped on him for benching Kizer for Hogan and for Kessler. You do realize those are the only 3 QBs he was given right?
As for your draft comments, you realize Sashi had final say right?
Freedom!!!
He is not a good coach. He is an absolutely terrible coach.
Everyone in Cincinatti completely disagrees with you.
Everyone on the Bengals offense disagrees with you.
How has Cinci done since Hue left? I’ll wait.
I have plenty of evidence to show that Hue Jackson is a great football coach. Andy Dalton was Pro-Bowl QB with a 31-13 record as starter with Hue running the offense. Since then? 13-18 in 2 years. You think Marvin Lewis had anything to do with that? You’d be high to say yes.
Do you know what the Browns record would be this year if they had Andy Dalton at QB and a marginally decent running back? We’d have won 5-6 games easily, possibly more.
I’m done arguing with you about this because as usual, you simply fail to realize that shit players are going to produce shit play, regardless of the coaching. What you’re doing is saying that a guy given a potato and a fish and nothing else is a horrible chef when if you gave the same guy a frying pan, some oil, a few spices and some bread to go along with that potato and fish would probably make a pretty damn savory meal.
But you don’t grasp that. You don’t understand that concept at all. You do not understand what coaches do, and don’t understand what a coaches limitations are when it comes to the roster handed to them. You don’t understand, and you’re not going to ever understand. There’s nothing I can do about that and as such it’s pointless to continue to debate this with you because you just simply have no idea what you’re talking about.
You’re asking for the impossible and ranting over not getting it. You may as well be pissed off that Kizer didn’t throw for 7,500 yards and 65 TD’s this year. Your point of view is totally illogical, nonsensical, impractical, flawed, and honesty, really fucking stupid. Be better.
He was with plenty of other teams and did shit.
And guess what, he didn’t do shit when he was in Cinci either.
The years before he was their offensive coordinator they were above 500.
Sucked at oakland
Didnt do anything to keep him around in Atlanta
Redskins we’re an absolute jokeSee the trend here? He coaches shitty teams because he is shitty.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Against my better judgement, I’m temporarily suspending my ending of this argument with you just to completely destroy you point for point and show you unequivocally how wrong you are.
Redskins we’re an absolute joke
From 2001 until 2002, Jackson was the Redskins’s running backs coach under Marty Schottenheimer and Steve Spurrier. In 2001, under Jackson’s tutelage, RB Stephen Davis rushed for 1,432 yards, breaking the record he had set in 1999 for most rushing yards in a season by a Redskin. In 2002, Davis was on pace for another 1,000-yard rushing season before suffering a season-ending injury.
And guess what, he didn’t do shit when he was in Cinci either.
1st stint in Cinci:
Jackson was the wide receivers coach for the Cincinnati Bengals for three seasons. Under Jackson’s tutelage in Cincinnati, Chad Johnson and T. J. Houshmandzadeh became one of the most prolific wide-receiving tandems in the NFL. In 2005, the Johnson-Houshmandzadeh tandem combined to total 175 receptions for 2,388 yards, while helping the team secure the AFC North title and a playoff berth for the first time in 15 years. In 2006, Johnson (1,369 yards) and Houshmandzadeh (1,081 yards) became the first pair of Bengals to eclipse the 1,000-yard receiving mark in a single season. In each of Jackson’s 3 years in Cincinnati, Johnson was named to the Pro Bowl.2nd stint: (already discussed)
On January 30, 2013, Jackson became the Bengals running backs coach, replacing the retired Jim Anderson.[9] He was promoted to offensive coordinator in January 2014, replacing Jay Gruden.
Didnt do anything to keep him around in Atlanta
I’m just going to assume you completely forgot what a shitshow Bobby Petrino turned that into. Hue not staying in Atlanta had nothing to do with Hue and everything to do with Bobby Petrino being an unimaginable douchebag.
Sucked at oakland
In 2010, under Jackson’s guidance as offensive coordinator, the Raiders’ offense finished fourth in the AFC and sixth in the NFL in scoring (25.6 points per game). They also finished fifth in the AFC and 10th in the NFL in total offense (354.6 yards per game), and second in the NFL and AFC in rushing (155.9 yards per game). The Raiders more than doubled their scoring output from the previous year, totaling 410 points. Under Jackson’s offense, RB Darren McFadden finished the season with 1,157 yards rushing on 223 carries for a 5.2 average yards/carry and 7 rushing touchdowns. McFadden also had 47 receptions for 507 yards and 3 touchdowns. His end of year numbers were 1,664 total yards and 10 total touchdowns for the 2010 NFL season, making McFadden the NFL’s 5th leader in total yards from scrimmage for the 2010 season.
After the 2010 season, Jackson was named Oakland Raiders head coach in 2011, succeeding Tom Cable.[4]
Jackson was fired by the Oakland Raiders on January 10, 2012, after one season as head coach, by new general manager Reggie McKenzie. In his lone season as head coach, the Raiders finished with a record of 8–8 and missed the playoffs after starting the season 7–4.
A very unceremonious firing by McKenzie at the time and roundly panned.
I see an awful lot of success and very good coaching there in all of that. I also see absolutely nothing to support your very unfounded and honestly, fictitious claims.
Say goodbye to this conversation now, because it’s over.
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