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If they can draft well this time around, they’ll be in good shape. Based on this past year’s class I’m not so sure, but it’s also too early to pass a final judgement. Ogbah is the only rookie who has, to me, shown any signs of development. Nassib is a mess, Kessler was started was too soon in his career, and Coleman looks like an inexperienced college athlete trying to play WR in the NFL. Our other rookie pass-catchers have shown no reason to not replace them next year, should the opportunity present itself. We need to come out of this draft with a significantly improved secondary and offensive line, a franchise QB, and depth across the defense to have any hope for more than a couple wins next year.
Getting a veteran center would help the offense immensely, someone who has experience reading NFL defenses and can ensure that our team is lined up correctly every snap. I don’t expect an All-Pro, but someone who can handle the fundamentals of the job while competently blocking is not too much to ask. I’d like to see a veteran safety added to the defense for the same reason, someone who can make sure our defenders are lined up correctly and can see breakdowns in coverage before they get exploited.
Same with adding a veteran wideout who can at least run the correct routes, something which would be of immense value to a developing QB given the inability of Coleman and Pryor to do so. I do think the overall lack of experience on this team is extremely detrimental to the development of our rookies.
It’s going to be a long, long climb.
I loved the article, thanks for the link @shooter.
I agree MDP. THE UFA class for SS looks very strong this year with John Cyprien and Tony Jefferson leading the pack, FS is also looking very strong with Eric Berry and Bradley McDougald both unrestricted and WR is interesting if not outstanding with Alshon Jeffery, Kenny Stills, Kenny Britt and several other notable (yet older) names available. I’m interested to see how they utilize the more than $100 million dollars of cap space.
Additionally, I think Pryor (if we can resign him) and Coleman will show a great deal of improvement in their second year in Hue’s offense. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we took players that had experience in Hue’s offense and Ray’s defense (i.e. WR from Cincy or SS/FS from Tennessee).
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0For me, having a savvy draft is only part of it.
They need to spend money. End of story. We have a boatload of it every year, and every year they sign nobodies. We need to couple a strong, strong drat with filling positions of need in FA. Spend, the, money.
And honestly, stop with the wasting of picks on QB’s. Give Belicheck what he wants and trade for Jimmy G from the Pats. QB problem solved. There’s no learning curve, rookie adjustments or anything. You get a 25 year old QB with a high ceiling that studied in one of the best run organizations in all of football, under an excellent offensive coordinator in Josh McDaniels, and behind arguably the greatest QB to ever play the game. It’s plug and play, and instantly upgrades the organization to relevance.
I’m not going to argue that Jimmy G wouldn’t be an upgrade to what we currently have (I mean, how could he not be?). But this isnt’ Matt Cassel, whom the Pats spent a seventh rounder on and then was flipped to Bill’s best buddy in KC…this is a kid they spent a 2nd rounder on as their QB of the future. He’s not coming cheap, we’re talking at least one of our first rounders, and then some. Given the history of New England’s one-sided deals, that’s a ton to give up. I’d be uneasy, to say the least.
I don’t believe Jimmmy G is nearly as plug and play as folks think he is. Food for thought: Tom Brady is nearing the end of his career, I think it speaks volumes that Belichick is willing to let him walk. The 49ers let Montana walk, The Packers pushed Favre out, if the Patriots are willing to let Garoppolo walk instead of Tom Brady, that tells me they don’t think he’s the next Tom Brady. So much so in fact, they are willing to hit the reset button, letting Garoppolo walk while they begin their search anew. Bill has a strong history of not being on the wrong side of trades, so forgive me if I’m hesitant to buy what he’s selling. Sorry shooter, I’m with MDP on this one.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Sorry shooter, but I agree with the other two. Matt Cassel, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, and Jacoby Brissett have me leery of patriot backup QBs. That system is unbelievably good at masking QB weaknesses.
if the Patriots are willing to let Garoppolo walk instead of Tom Brady, that tells me they don’t think he’s the next Tom Brady.
I agree that at some point the Pats have to look toward the future in replacing Brady, but I think that they have a ton of confidence in Brisset, and he’s a few years younger than Jimmy G, so to me, that’s what makes him expendable in New England. You don’t need 2 successors to Brady, and if you can get a good price in return for one of them, you sell him. That’s just smart operation of the organization.
Hey I’m not saying there isn’t risk involved, of course there is. There’s risk in drafting a QB too though. There’s no way to escape risk any way you slice it. I thought Garropolo looked pretty damn good before he got hurt. Crisp throws. Had a live arm. And as I mentioned, he’s been learning under McDaniels and Brady for the past 4 years, ya have to like that. If it takes a 1st, you give them a 1st. You’re going to spend one on a rookie QB anyway aren’t ya? What difference does it make? To me, this is a better spend as like I mentioned, that learning curve is all but gone. I do think he’s plug and play at this point.
I could also be way off and completely wrong. I don’t however put him in the Cassel/Hoyer/Mallet category. I think Jimmy G is far superior to all of them, and by quite a large margin.
Either way, he’s huuuuuuge upgrade over what we have now, and have had since…….the beginning of time it feels like. Even if he turns out to be an average, game-managing QB, man, who wouldn’t be excited about that around here? When have we even had that? I’d be happy as shit with an Alex Smith/Eli Manning/Joe Flacco/Carson Palmer-type QB, which is about where I’d put Jimmy G now. With a potential for a slightly higher ceiling.
Do I want the next Rodgers/Roethlisberger? I mean, duh, of course, but if the football Gods are looking at Cleveland going “mmmm no, but here, have a 25 year old Carson Palmer instead”……I mean yeah, all day man, I’d take that every Sunday without even hesitating. It’s a no-brainer.
Jimmy G got hurt after 2 games. He’s typical NE system QB. 5th round plus – okay. Anything earlier, no way. Way too steep
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Jimmy G got hurt after 2 games
Dan Marino tore his achilles after 5. Tom Brady tore his ACL after 1. Mike Vick broke his ankle before the season even started. Montana fucked his elbow all up in Preseason too. Brees shredded his shoulder. Peyton Manning broke his fuckin neck, the guy can probably still only feel one of his balls if he’s lucky. Romo just broke his back after breaking his collarbone twice! I can do this all day if you really want, are you serious!!??Are we gonna break out the “injury prone” card here? Get the fuck outta here. Everyone in the NFL is fucking injury prone, that’s why the average career only lasts 3 years. We’re talking about a sport where very large, very fast, very huge grown men run at each other at full speed and try to inflict as much pain and suffering as humanly possible on each other car crash-style for as long as the clock is running.
Your argument is “he got hurt”?
That’s it?
That’s what you’re bringing to the fucking table here on this one? He got hurt?
Okay. That’s fine, but name me a QB, either in the league, has previously been in it, or soon to be drafted, with bones that can’t break, ligaments that can’t snap, and tendons that don’t tear.
I’ll wait bro. I’ll wait here all fuckin’ day for you to name him.
Starting…….NOW!
Those guys were established when that happened. You are talking about a guy who’s literally played only 2 full games. That’s what I meant more than anything. Not wise to give up a high pick for that.
Sorry, I don’t trust a QB from a team that had a back up go 11-5. Brady is 37. If Jimmy G was that good then NE will keep him. He’ll want a 1st round pick, sorry if I’m not comfortable giving up a top 5 or 10 pick for him.
Freedom!!!
The Browns will never spend money on FA. Two reasons:
1) Jimmy Haslem is a cheap fraud
2) No one in there right mind will want to sign with a team that cannot keep offensive linemen. Money solves everything – yes – but not for the quality of free agents we need.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Those guys were established when that happened. You are talking about a guy who’s literally played only 2 full games. That’s what I meant more than anything. Not wise to give up a high pick for that.
Sorry, I don’t trust a QB from a team that had a back up go 11-5. Brady is 37. If Jimmy G was that good then NE will keep him. He’ll want a 1st round pick, sorry if I’m not comfortable giving up a top 5 or 10 pick for him.I am not taking anything away from Brady – but the Patriots have a great system and players who go well beyond in the system.
If we sign a free agent from the Patriots, it is nothing but a hole in the ground where we will throw money. No one will do good in our system. Junk coaches, junk management, and nothing consistent.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
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