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- August 12, 2016 at 10:48 pm #5507ShooterModerator
………..looking over game film of RG3’s mechanics on Monday
August 13, 2016 at 1:26 am #5510DawgstyleParticipantI was at the game and I didn’t think it was that bad. In fact, with the exception of the INT, Griffin played well and didn’t run once. Jackson and Hamilton are remaking him as a pocket passer, and while he is not there yet, he showed some flashes tonight.
I’m not going to say I’m optimistic at this point, but I am certainly intrigued.
Take aways from the game:
Warm ups were different. I always go a couple hours early, not to tailgate, but to see how the team is preparing for the game. Hugh went to literally every player in warm ups and shook their hand, hugged them, talked with them, etc. He was relaxed and the way the players, young and old, reacted to him was amazing. We may not be there yet, but I truly believe Hugh is the right man for the job. It’s easy to say the culture needs to change. I think Hugh is actually changing it.
Terrelle Pryor: It’s hard to get a feel for just how big he is until you see him live. Incredible specimen. With Coleman and Gordon (After he serves his 4 game suspension) on the field along side of him, he is going to be a nightmare for defensive coordinators to game plan for. The Browns finally have some legitimate weapons on the offensive side of the ball. I would not be surprised if this group is dominant by the season’s end.
Corey Coleman, Carl Nassib and Ezekiel Ogbah: I was not sold on these three when we drafted them. However, after hearing how well Corey Coleman has played in camp and watching these two tonight, I believe the new regime is going to be significantly better in the draft than any of the regimes we’ve seen since the return. I know that’s not setting the bar too high, but after seeing picks like Barkevious Mingo and Kamerion Wimbley never develop, it’s nice to see rookies on the field that look like they already belong in the NFL.
Duke Johnson III: Duke looked strong. Duke looked really strong. Duke has really developed his stiff arm and he manhandled several Packers defenders on his lone 11 yard run. Those were some hard fought yards. He was a weapon in the passing game last year, but I think he has the opportunity to become the feature back in Cleveland if he continues to run like that.
Cody Kessler: You can’t read too much into one game, but the way the offense responded when Austin Davis went out and Cody Kessler went in spoke volumes. Even the Packers fans around me noticed. His first pass in the NFL was a touchdown. He followed that up by stepping out of bounds for a safety (There was an additional safety that occurred when Cory Tucker provided turn style like pass protection). Rookie mistakes. While I still think we need to draft a legitimate franchise type QB in the next draft, we might have found a gem in Kessler. The TD was a 10 yard back shoulder throw that was placed perfectly. It’s the same throw Packer’s QB Aaron Rodgers makes a living off of.
I’m excited to watch the rest of the preseason. I had prepared myself for something much worse than I saw. We were faster than I expected. We were stronger than I expected. It’s obvious that its the first year in both a new offensive and defensive scheme. That said, the guys on the field didn’t seem over matched like they had in years past, and I think this team will improve as the season goes on (instead of fading like it has in the past).
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0August 13, 2016 at 2:19 am #5511ShooterModeratorI don’t share your patience or optimism on Grif.
I think his flaws are the same but he’s just trying harder to mask them now and it’s not gonna work.
On the flip side of the crazy scale, and no homer…………I think Pryor is the real deal.
I can’t actually believe that I’m saying that, but I am and I do. It’s crazy but he’s wowed me.
Unfortunately, unless Griffin snaps yet another part of his body real quick, no one is going to know that, and he’s gonna fall off the face of the Earth and his demise is going to to be very Browns-like and we’ll hold him in a very Ben Gay-sort of lore.
Which is a real shame.
August 13, 2016 at 8:28 am #5513soupParticipantFirst pass to Pryor – Pryor’s route was terrible and he left his feet for no reason. Should’ve been a TD.
Griffin’s pick was miscommunication. HE wanted Barnidge to cut across the face of the safety – the ball was perfectly thrown for that for a TD. BArnidge wanted him to drop in between (you can see BArnidge slow for it).
His other 3 incompletions:
1. BArnidge was cut off and pushed the entire route. The idiot ref called it “uncatchable” and waived off the penalty. That ref should be reprimanded to no end for that call. It’s impossible to run a route when pushed that badly – at leaset call illegal contact (AKA – that wasn’t a true incompletion).
2. Threw it away as Erving couldn’t block 2 people so 1 came in untouched.
3. Throw to a wide open Gabriel – terrible throw.
He wasn’t terrible by any means. It’s new offense rust. Does he look all world? Not even close. McCown looked no better.
As for Pryor – big guy – okay hands – TERRIBLE route running. Did the same thing to McCown as he did to RG3 on the first play – ran to rounded to the sidelines. All the props in the world to the guy as that’s not an easy position switch. Hopefully by week 1 they can correct his route running and he’ll have great potential.
Kessler – that back shoulder throw was ridiculous accurate.
Special teams – inexcusably awful.
DL – pushed around like it was only me on the line on drive 1. Coverage looked much better than the last couple years – however – they played against a 3rd string – D3 QB.
Nassib looks to have solid potential. Crowell is still Crowell – a 3rd or 4th string type back. Moesert (?) looks much more like a RB. Duke is the real deal.
Not an impressive outing overall in the least. This will be a year where improvement will actually be key. I’m expecting a rough 0-5 to 0-8 start.
Freedom!!!
August 13, 2016 at 2:28 pm #5514IceKeymasterThe running game is a fucking mess.
The offensive line is a fucking mess.
Special teams is a bit of a fucking mess, but a fixable one.
Nassib somehow tackles guys he has no business reaching, he possibly has invisible wolverine claws.
Cameron Erving is a fucking mess.
Pryor needs to work on his route running, but I was surprised by his catching.
This was a terribly sloppy game. We are not a good team.
August 13, 2016 at 7:34 pm #5515DawgstyleParticipantThis was a terribly sloppy game. I’ll reserve judgement on the quality of the team until the end of the season. This is a very young, fast, big roster that suffered more from mental errors than from being physically outmatched. Compared to years past, I think we are in a far better position to be competitive than we have since the return. Again, that’s not a very high bar, but I think we have a roster that can be competitive against non division opponents like the Eagles, Dolphins, Redskins, Titans, Jets, Cowboys (without Romo by week 9 – which I think is a possibility), Giants, Bills and Chargers. If we split divisional games and win half of the “competitive” games, we’re looking at winning 7-8 games this season. I don’t think that’s unrealistic given what Hugh did with the Raiders with far less talent.
Again, I wouldn’t say I’m optimistic about the season, but I am certainly intrigued. The thought of Gordon/Coleman/Pryor at WR has the potential to make this unit the BEST in the NFL. There are a lot of ifs that need to be answered before you can make that proclamation, but the raw talent is there. I still believe that Duke Johnson is going to emerge as the featured back. He looked stronger, faster, and is a known asset catching the ball out of the backfield. I’m still pretty “meh” on Griffin, but he was doing the things he needed to do to become a pocket passer (namely, he wasn’t running). When Manziel never even started to make that transition. Again, not a really high bar there, but…
I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid, but I’m not throwing in the towel yet either. For all the rookie mistakes and challenges of learning a new system on offense and defense, there was a lot to be excited about.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0August 14, 2016 at 9:11 am #5517IceKeymasterI’m sorry Dawgstyle, but if you’re saying 7-8 wins this season isn’t unrealistic then you are not just drinking the koolaid, you’re mainlining the stuff. This looks like another 3-4 win team to me. We can’t run the ball. We can’t stop the run. Those two problems right there are enough to keep us at 5 wins or below.
DS the TV cameras didn’t show even a single time of Kessler interacting with his teammates in any way. Even after the TD he didn’t get a high five from anyone, he just kinda stood outside the group of guys celebrating with the WR trying to peek in. When he went to the sideline I didn’t see him talking to anyone at all. I’m totally willing to trust your eyeballs on this over what the camera chose to feed us. What did you see?
August 14, 2016 at 9:26 am #5518soupParticipantDS, my 0-5 to 0-8 starting prediction isn’t doom and gloom. I believe Hue is the correct coach. It’s just going to take time.
Freedom!!!
August 14, 2016 at 10:59 am #5520ShooterModeratorIf we start 0-8 it’s not gonna matter how right Hue Jackson is, he’s gonna get fired.
August 14, 2016 at 12:06 pm #5521ShooterModeratorFirst pass to Pryor – Pryor’s route was terrible and he left his feet for no reason. Should’ve been a TD.
A souptastic take on a great catch. It seems everyone disagrees with you. Shocking I know.
August 14, 2016 at 5:05 pm #5522Dawg E. DawgParticipantDawgstyle, I’m hopeful about the WRs, but saying they could be the best in the NFL is Soup-level hyperbole.
We’re talking about a guy that hasn’t played in over a year (and looked like shit for the 6 games he did play the previous year), a guy that’s only played WR for a year a half and even that has only been in practice, and a rookie. I’ll be thrilled if their best in the division, but even that’s unlikely. If Martavis hadn’t been suspended, if have said its not possible.
I don’t wanna debate who the best is, but IMO Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, and John Brown are at worst one of the top 3. And the worst of those 3 is easily better than the best of our top 3. It’s not even close.
August 14, 2016 at 5:10 pm #5523IceKeymasterI’ve got a great idea. Each QB gets only 1 throw per game. Both RG3 and Kessler threw a TD on their first pass. After that it went downhill. I say we put each of the 53 guys on the roster at QB for one play and see how it goes. It sounds weird but it’s not a worse idea than starting Brandon Weeden or Johnny Rotten for an entire game.
August 15, 2016 at 12:05 pm #5524soupParticipantFirst pass to Pryor – Pryor’s route was terrible and he left his feet for no reason. Should’ve been a TD.
A souptastic take on a great catch. It seems everyone disagrees with you. Shocking I know.
Soup sees things no one else does.Tak a look at the route and take a look where the ball was thrown. The WR shouldn’t be that close to the sidelines on the route. His job is to position himself on the DB – not let the DB have the position.
He made the same mistake on the end zone throw from McCown and they pointed it out on the broadcast. He didn’t give McCown room to throw.
Is it highly impressive that Pryor has come this far on the position change? ABSOLUTELY!
Was it great he caught the ball? ABSOLUTELY!
If he ran the route properly and gained position would heave had to break stride? NOPE. Would he have scored a TD? YEP.
these nuances are the difference in wins and losses in the the game.
If he corrects route running (with the work he’s put in coming this far I see no reason that he won’t correct it) he can be a very solid WR.
Here’s the play – watch the rounded route on a go pattern:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQIIsrZH7rY
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August 15, 2016 at 12:23 pm #5527soupParticipantAugust 15, 2016 at 2:17 pm #5529DawgstyleParticipantIce, I wasn’t referring to the celebration. I was referring to the energy level of the team after Josh McCown and Austin Davis both went out and laid eggs. When Kessler came in, there was a noticeable difference in the energy level, which lead to the TD. The feeling at the stadium, after RG3 threw the pick in the end zone, McCown went 1 of 4 and Davis went 4 of 9 was that we were going to find a way to screw it up when we had the ball at the 10 yard line. The team’s body language changed when Davis went out and Kessler went in. Not sure what other roster changes occurred at the same time, so I can’t attribute it to just Kessler, but the feeling changed when he came into the game and we scored on a very well thrown back shoulder throw. It was much less of a “seeing” thing than a feeling thing.
Dawg E. while I agree with you that Arizona has a great trio of receivers, I do not share your pessimism for ours. Gordon has the potential to be the best WR in football. He proved that in 2013 and if he returns to that form (and I understand that there is no guarantee he will), he will immediately make the Browns WR corp one of the best in the league by himself. When you look at what Coleman did in college and has done in camp, I think we have a Steve Smith type WR who may soon be one of the very best in the league as well. So far, he has lived up to the expectation (that never happens for us) and if he continues to do so, I think he is a top 10 WR in this league and arguably one of the best number 2’s. When you add in the development and physical attributes of Terrelle Pryor at #3 (who I think compares favorably to Vincent Jackson), I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to think we could have one of the best WR groups in the NFL. Does it rely on people maintaining or returning to certain levels of performance? Absolutely, but never during the return has that even been an option. We were so devoid of talent for so long, returning to previous form or maintaining current levels of performance would have yielded us nothing. We have 3 WR that have, at minimum, elite physical skills. That is why I say the COULD be elite, not necessarily that they will.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0August 15, 2016 at 3:13 pm #5530DawgSoldierParticipantThere was a lot of potential and a lot issues on display VS GB/ Hopefully the can realise the potential and fix the issues.
http://cloudassetserver.com/STL/posts/185/sp_04_976x0.jpg
August 16, 2016 at 6:12 pm #5536IceKeymasterThere was a lot of potential and a lot issues on display
I agree. GB does have a lot of potential this year.
August 16, 2016 at 9:47 pm #5539the dudeParticipantDUPLICATE BROST
Hue Jackson is a loser.
August 16, 2016 at 9:48 pm #5540the dudeParticipantIf we start 0-8 it’s not gonna matter how right Hue Jackson is, he’s gonna get fired.
I don’t think 0-8 is going to get him fired. 1-15 or worse probably will. Oddly enough, I think leadership in the organization let the last jackoff on board way too long….so they actually took time to find someone with a stroke that would even make Karl Hungus look twice. and YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THEY SAY:
Hue Jackson is a loser.
August 16, 2016 at 9:55 pm #5545the dudeParticipantHere’s every Griffin throw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06LE_4UEUtsThanks Soup for sharing.
Personally, I think he was ok on the short stuff. That pick is completely miscommunication between him and barnidge. Hopefully, it works itself out in practice.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
August 19, 2016 at 9:34 am #5556soupParticipantHaven’t seen it yet, but 6-8 96 yards and 2 TDs. Not too shabby. I wonder if Shooter noticed on the 50 yard pass that Pryor didn’t round the route and RG3 put it in the same spot as last week. Proper route = TD this week. Great to see all around (only play I saw so far)
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August 19, 2016 at 12:19 pm #5557soupParticipantHere’s all his throws and I must say – HOLY SHIT! All 8 throws were dead on. The first incomplete was a screen that was just terrible set up and easily read. His other incomplete – just an amazing throw. Unreal. The Barnidge and Pryor throws were awesome. If this RG3 shows up for a year – we will be in the playoffs and a ridiculous force. No, I’m not saying he’ll show up all year by any means – but if he does – we caught lightning in a bottle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k9yPRcnUl8
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August 19, 2016 at 12:24 pm #5558ShooterModeratorI wonder if Shooter noticed on the 50 yard pass that Pryor didn’t round the route and RG3 put it in the same spot as last week. Proper route = TD this week.
I did. I thought of you immediately.
If this RG3 shows up for a year….
I don’t think he’s going to get the benefit of playing against the preseason version of a shitty Falcons defense all year.
But I will say that the TD’s were nice passes. And it was good to see him SLIDE.
That said, his mechanics still terrify me and I have no reason to believe he can read a defense yet.
August 19, 2016 at 12:40 pm #5560soupParticipantI’m totally with you on that it’s pre-season and typically defenses just run defense with no gameplan (meaning different packages) – but damn – every pass was dead on – and the one incompletion in between 2 defenders was absurd. I don’t know that I’d call that a drop because it would’ve been a tough catch – but the ball was dead nuts.
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August 19, 2016 at 1:56 pm #5561DawgstyleParticipantI’ll just leave this here:
On pure physical gifts alone, Cleveland’s top three receivers can hang with any group in the league. That sentence would have been unthinkable in January.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0August 19, 2016 at 2:07 pm #5562ShooterModeratorI agree. I mean listen, I don’t want to bag on the guy just to do it, you know I hate that kinda shit. He threw some damn nice passes, and the one that was dropped, it was right there and got there on a rope. He threw well, his passes looked great, and the offense had some life to it. The run was great and I love the added dimension that ability like that brings. I hate, hate hate running QB’s, but I love a QB that if it all breaks down and he has to leave the pocket, can do some real damage.
Let’s be real here, I’m not saying the guy doesn’t have talent. He does, loads of it. We’re talking about a guy who threw for 3200 yards with 20 TD’s and ran for 800 more with 7 TD’s. He’s got a career completion % of 64%, which probably puts him at the top of any Browns QB since 99. He was at 68% in ’14. He’s thrown far more TD’s than picks, almost double. The guy CAN play, he HAS talent.
But what’s in between his ears is a major, major concern. And he just has a super janky throwing motion. I think he’s very limited in what he can do, and I think defenses know what it is and can shut him down really fast and with minimal effort. I said repeatedly throughout his rookie year that it was all smoke and mirrors, and that defenses would quickly catch up with him, and man, did they ever. Once the league figured him out, he went straight to shit and never came back from it.
He has got to be able to read defenses. He has to. He’s got to put in the effort and fucking study, learn, and be able to recognize coverages and what defenses are doing. He never did any of that in Washington and it added to the destruction of his career.
He has to be coachable. He wasn’t in Washington. he was a Primadonna fed by the owners silver spoon, held accountable for nothing, and was an entitled prick who thought that the coaches should all shut up and just his talent do the talking, never realizing that his talent was in no way enough to actually be a QB in the NFL. He can’t do that again if he wants to have success. He just can’t.
And finally, he has GOT to be more than a one-read-tuck-and-run QB. He needs to learn progressions. He needs to rely on his checkdowns. He needs to have pocket awareness and presence. He didn’t have any of that in Washington. Ever. If his first read wasn’t open, it was either panic or run. That’s just beyond unacceptable at this level. Washington tailored the offense around him and the read-option that he ran at Baylor, and it worked. For about 9 weeks or so, until everyone in Washington except RG3 realized that you can’t run the read option in the NFL because the coaches are too smart for it and the players are too fast for it. There’s a reason it doesn’t work in the NFL and never will. You can’t have that either.
Can the guy throw a football? Accurately? Hell yes he can, he has the talent and ability to do it, you can see it plain as day. Can he make every throw? Of course he can, he has a cannon. Can he keep a defense honest by the threat of breaking the pocket and ripping off a huge run? Duh, we’ve seen it, he can be electrifying.
Can he do all of the other things I brought up as concerns? I have no idea. I haven’t seen anything that tells me yes yet. Preseason is sloppy, lazy vanilla defense and we all know that. How’s he gonna look week 1 when the blitz is coming and his primary receiver is wearing a defender like a cape?
That’s what terrifies me about RG3. It’s not his talent. His talent is otherworldly.
We’ll all see soon enough I guess.
August 19, 2016 at 5:14 pm #5565IceKeymasterI wonder if Shooter noticed on the 50 yard pass that Pryor didn’t round the route and RG3 put it in the same spot as last week.
You have less credibility than a politician. In 2016 that’s saying a lot. The only time Pryor diverted from running straight up the sideline (his route) was when he adjusted to catch the ball. It was a great route, a great adjustment, and a great connection between QB and WR.
August 19, 2016 at 5:16 pm #5566IceKeymasterAnyone got the Cliff’s Notes on Shooter’s rant? If only he would put it IN A PODCAST FOR US to save my aging eyes.
August 20, 2016 at 10:35 pm #5569the dudeParticipantlink to podcast? some stuff is broke….will get back to you when I have more time….grrrrr getting ready for mcgregor diaz
Hue Jackson is a loser.
August 20, 2016 at 10:36 pm #5570ShooterModeratorAnyone got the Cliff’s Notes on Shooter’s rant?
You should see my text messages.
My friends fuckin hate me.
August 22, 2016 at 12:01 pm #5574soupParticipantI wonder if Shooter noticed on the 50 yard pass that Pryor didn’t round the route and RG3 put it in the same spot as last week.
You have less credibility than a politician. In 2016 that’s saying a lot. The only time Pryor diverted from running straight up the sideline (his route) was when he adjusted to catch the ball. It was a great route, a great adjustment, and a great connection between QB and WR.
Absolutely positively false. He heads towards the sidelines and then back in for the catch. Watch the top of the screen. It’s plain as day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQIIsrZH7rY
His job is to get position early and maintain it while giving the QB room for the throw. Again – he did the same type of thing in game 1 on a McCown TD pass attempt and the announcer called Pryor out on it. I guarantee you the coaches are working on the route running with him. What – he’s in year 2 of playing reciever? He’s come a LONG way in a short time – he came along way week 1 to 2.
Good news is we look like we found a big body to stretch the field which should open he run game up from the get go as teams can’t press as much.
Freedom!!!
August 22, 2016 at 6:40 pm #5579ShooterModeratorHis job is to get position early and maintain it while giving the QB room for the throw.
Isn’t that over analyzing a bit though?
I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure his job is to beat his defender and catch the ball if/when it’s thrown his way.
He seems to uh, be pretty good at that so far.
On his diving catch you saw a missed TD due to shoddy route running and undisciplined skills. Everyone else saw a helluva play and a damn nice catch.
I’m keeping things pretty simple. After watching abysmal WR play for years on this shit-ass team (not including Gordons monster season), I’m not going to sit here and nitpick the what-ifs and shoulda-beens on a 50 yard pass play that ends with a sprawling catch by a potentially budding playmaker. This team has been on an infinite loop of three-and-outs, dropped passes, and running 7-yard outs when we need 9, so pooh-poohing a play that erases half the field all at once seems pretty are-you-fucking-kidding-me?-ish. That’s like finding yourself in a situation where you couldn’t eat for 10 days and then when you are rescued and finally given food, complaining that it’s overcooked.
I’m just happy he’s giving me a meal, I don’t give two shits right now if he cooks as good as Michael Simon.
August 22, 2016 at 10:23 pm #5581the dudeParticipantAnyone got the Cliff’s Notes on Shooter’s rant?
You should see my text messages.
My friends fuckin hate me.I did….naked fat women and rap songs about life in Honduras. Thanks by the way for the fat women.
Fat women not eating for 10 days, would eat anything overcooked. Oddly enough, I am leaning towards shooter a little bit in this debate because the infinite three and out makes me hate football, but then soup keeps me coming back because I realize that Prior is an ATHLETE and this is his second year and yet…everyone, listen, he was a qb, and he plays wr and HASN’T been cut. I think we may have something special. It may be one more year before reality kicks in, but it could….
Hue Jackson is a loser.
August 23, 2016 at 8:46 am #5582IceKeymaster3rd preseason game and the band is all here. We get to see what our actual WR depth chart might look like.
Absolutely positively false. He heads towards the sidelines and then back in for the catch. Watch the top of the screen. It’s plain as day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQIIsrZH7rY
His job is to get position early and maintain it while giving the QB room for the throw. Again – he did the same type of thing in game 1 on a McCown TD pass attempt and the announcer called Pryor out on it. I guarantee you the coaches are working on the route running with him. What – he’s in year 2 of playing reciever? He’s come a LONG way in a short time – he came along way week 1 to 2.
@Soup, it’s a simple sideline go route. As soon as he starts the route he runs toward the sideline and stays next to it until he looks back for the ball and sees it’s a couple yards inside the line and adjusts to it. What kind of imaginary route do you think he was trying to run? Was it the 24 yard hook route? Some sort of in route halfway down the field? Those routes don’t exist. He didn’t ’round off’ anything.
August 23, 2016 at 12:42 pm #5587soupParticipantHis job is to get position early and maintain it while giving the QB room for the throw.
Isn’t that over analyzing a bit though?
I’m no expert, but I’m pretty sure his job is to beat his defender and catch the ball if/when it’s thrown his way.
He seems to uh, be pretty good at that so far.
On his diving catch you saw a missed TD due to shoddy route running and undisciplined skills. Everyone else saw a helluva play and a damn nice catch.
I’m keeping things pretty simple. After watching abysmal WR play for years on this shit-ass team (not including Gordons monster season), I’m not going to sit here and nitpick the what-ifs and shoulda-beens on a 50 yard pass play that ends with a sprawling catch by a potentially budding playmaker. This team has been on an infinite loop of three-and-outs, dropped passes, and running 7-yard outs when we need 9, so pooh-poohing a play that erases half the field all at once seems pretty are-you-fucking-kidding-me?-ish. That’s like finding yourself in a situation where you couldn’t eat for 10 days and then when you are rescued and finally given food, complaining that it’s overcooked.
I’m just happy he’s giving me a meal, I don’t give two shits right now if he cooks as good as Michael Simon.Back up a moment. First – I’ve said I’m extremely impressed with Pryor this year (if I were a betting man – before camp began – I’d have bet on him being cut). I stated how impressed I was with his improvement.
You started the thread by tearing apart RG3 – had the route been better run – that TD — adds a TD to RG3 in game 1 and takes away an int he threw on that same drive.
The overall point is finding things players need to improve on and see if they improve on it. It’s to see if we FINALLY get players to do those little things that turn “nice catches” into easy TDs instead of “nice catches” that end up a few plays later in a FG or a turnover. That’s the overall difference in many games. It’s been said multiple times games are really decided by 2 to 3 plays overall each game.
With his improvement I full expect Pryor to be the #1 WR this year on the team and end with 800+ yards receiving (barring injury)
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August 23, 2016 at 2:15 pm #5589IceKeymasterYou started the thread by tearing apart RG3 – had the route been better run – that TD — adds a TD to RG3 in game 1 and takes away an int he threw on that same drive.
How do you run a go route better than what he did?
August 23, 2016 at 6:47 pm #5593ShooterModeratorHow do you run a go route better than what he did?
Will the ball with his mind to hit him on the hands, in stride, and not veer to the inside of the sideline shorter than necessary causing him to dive for it.
Duuuuuuuhhhhuh.
August 24, 2016 at 12:01 pm #5603soupParticipantYou started the thread by tearing apart RG3 – had the route been better run – that TD — adds a TD to RG3 in game 1 and takes away an int he threw on that same drive.
How do you run a go route better than what he did?
Give the QB more room for the throw. Just like he didn’t do for McCown in the end zone.
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August 24, 2016 at 12:40 pm #5605IceKeymasterHow do you give a QB more room to throw? He had his man by half a step. And what does that have to do with ’rounding off routes’?
August 24, 2016 at 4:17 pm #5609soupParticipantThe ball was in the rightop spot. Had he not done a half circle (yes I’m being a little silly to make my point) he’d have been in the right spot for an easy TD. Much like he nailed it last week.
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August 24, 2016 at 11:27 pm #5610ShooterModeratorGive the QB more room for the throw.
I’ve been watching and talking about football for 35 years. Seriously, what THE FUCK does that even mean? Give the QB room for the throw? Are we just making shit up now? Are we coining new phrases, is that it?
I don’t even……….I can’t. I just can’t.
August 24, 2016 at 11:30 pm #5611ShooterModeratorThe ball was in the rightop spot.
So much so that he had to dive for it. Had he not, it falls incomplete.
Maybe instead of giving the QB more room for the throw, the QB should have given him more line for the catch.
(See, I can make shit up too.)
August 25, 2016 at 8:38 am #5612soupParticipantGive the QB more room for the throw.
I’ve been watching and talking about football for 35 years. Seriously, what THE FUCK does that even mean? Give the QB room for the throw? Are we just making shit up now? Are we coining new phrases, is that it?
I don’t even……….I can’t. I just can’t.If you’ve never heard that before then you haven’t paid attention in 35 years.
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August 25, 2016 at 8:46 am #5613IceKeymasterShooter’s on it. It was a great catch and a good throw. The catch was great because I can’t imagine anyone doing it better without breaking some laws of physics. The throw was good because it was (barely) catchable and only the receiver had a chance at it, not the DB. I could imagine a better throw, maybe one where RG3 gave the WR more line for the catch (we’re gonna make that stick @Shooter). If the ball had been just a little closer to the sideline there’s a chance Pryor catches it in stride and goes all the way. Too much closer though and he’s falling out of bounds. It was a pretty good throw.
August 25, 2016 at 11:40 am #5617ShooterModeratorIf you’ve never heard that before then you haven’t paid attention in 35 years.
If I took the time to list all of the family, friends, former coaches, teammates, kids in school, co-workers, people on the bus, strangers at the bar, church, Wal-mart and various other places, dentists, doctors, cable guys, and myriad other jobs that involve discussing sports to pass mundane time, along with all of the industry professionals, analysts, commentators and experts on all levels from high school to the NFL across multiple platforms from radio, television, and internet both local and nationwide that I have seen, listened to, worked with, or followed in print publications from the Sporting News to Sports Illustrated and everything in between over the course of the last 35 years of my life, who have never, ever, even once, uttered the phrase “give the QB more time for the throw”……….I would crush this website with the extreme use of bandwidth because the list would seem like I gave every grain of sand on the East Coast it’s own goddamn name.
I assure you, I have been paying attention, and damn well know when someone is making shit up.
And you sir, just completely made something up.
August 25, 2016 at 11:45 am #5618ShooterModeratorI could imagine a better throw, maybe one where RG3 gave the WR more line for the catch (we’re gonna make that stick @shooter).
August 25, 2016 at 12:02 pm #5620soupParticipantScouting profile for Josh Doctson:
Areas to Improve
Field AwarenessFor how good his awareness of other players can be, the same cannot always be said about his sense of where he is on the field. There were some instances of Doctson running comeback routes short of the sticks on third down, but this problem was most prevalent on his go routes. Too often Doctson ran too close to the sideline, leaving his quarterback little-to-no room to deliver the ball to his outside shoulder, like this play against Texas:
*drops mic and walks away*
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August 25, 2016 at 1:12 pm #5626ShooterModeratorSo you didn’t make shit up, the trusted and renowned football institution Insidethepylon.com did.
I stand corrected.
August 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm #5627soupParticipantNo, I just Google and in 2 seconds found the same thing that I’ve heard for years upon years of watching football. But hey, mic was dropped. You’ve been served, don’t make me whip you in a dance fight.
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August 25, 2016 at 2:02 pm #5630IceKeymaster - AuthorPosts
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