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I see people saying we need a WR so we should go there at #2 or a DE so we should go there. In the AFC here’s the QBs of the last 13 Super Bowls:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe FlaccoThe end.
Screw the DE, screw the WR (ask Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Julio Jones and a host of other Top 10 WR taken in the draft) what’s most important to them? The answer is QB.
Tom Brady – his WR are worthless. They go anywhere but there they fail.
Green Bay – I got ripped on a few years ago for saying their’s were no better than ours. That’s still true today – their WR are no better than ours (odd how James Jones went away and sucked – came back and was great again isn’t it? Greg Jennings anyone?)If you feel Goff is the guy and he’s there at #2 – TAKE HIM. Enough of this “value” bullshit. IF the draft was done over again where would Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben and Tom Brady go? They went (roughly) 24, 11 and at 1212312312 picks in the draft respectively.
If they have the tools – you grab them – because QB is one position you don’t screw around with. We keep doing it and keep failing.
If you could have the next JJ Watt or Aaron Rodgers – who would you take? Personally for me it’s no question – I take Rodgers every time without hesitation.
Freedom!!!
It’s hard to argue that logic. It’s a much better argument than the “take a QB just to take him/take one just because we need one” line of thinking.
I guess it all comes down to the level of QB that is available. Meaning, how do you as a team project him? What’s the upside? Does said QB have a real, strong chance to be a franchise QB?
I agree with your comparison that if given the choice between Rodgers or Watt, you take Rodgers. But if the choice is Watt vs. say, EJ Manual, or Tannehill, I’m taking Watt. Every time and I don’t hesitate.
That said, the more I read up on Goff, the more I like. I’m not completely sold on him, he needs to put on some weight as he has a slight frame, but he studies well and is strong in the film room. I think that we are in a good position in that, if we take him, having McCown start while Goff grooms for a year is probably a perfect scenario. We aren’t going to the playoffs next year so there’s just no need to sacrifice the kid to the wolves. Let him sit for a season, learn the offense, progress without pressure.
If the potential is there, then I’m all for taking him. But if he’s got a ceiling like a Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder, and we pass on Bosa, well, that just sucks. Take him only if the value is there.
While I’m far from sold on any of the QBs, Goff is the only one who I wouldn’t be angry if we picked. I have plenty of worries about his frame, mobility, and accuracy; but I’ve also seen enough that I could see him being great. I’d be willing to defer to our team’s talent evaluators.
Lynch scares the shit out of me. He’s less a great quarterback and more of a great athlete who has found great success at quarterback…that rarely translates.
Goff is a boondoggle. The Air Raid scheme/offense has produced 100% failures at starting QB in the NFL since it’s inception.
Oh and by the way Drew Brees was picked at 32nd overall and has a shiny Super Bowl Ring. Browns have the 32nd pick as well this year.
Currently QB wise I am quite curious how the QB’s at the Senior Bowl do.
Goff is by no means the established #1 QB. His stock for what ever reason has risen because he and Cal blasted a Military academy in Bowl game after a LONG losing skid against better Pac 12 teams.
If you go to CBS sports you can go thru there rankings week by week and see How it wa cook at the top and then Lynch and then Cook again and now Goff. Don’t be surprised if Wentz jumps Goff there as well.
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While I’m far from sold on any of the QBs, Goff is the only one who I wouldn’t be angry if we picked. I have plenty of worries about his frame, mobility, and accuracy; but I’ve also seen enough that I could see him being great. I’d be willing to defer to our team’s talent evaluators.
Lynch scares the shit out of me. He’s less a great quarterback and more of a great athlete who has found great success at quarterback…that rarely translates.Goff is definitely the best in the class. Fine arm, excellent accuracy and highly intelligent. Combine that with Hue Jackson ability with QBS and it’s a recipe for success. Throw in Saunders and Hamilton and the kid will be coached so well.
Cook is garbage. At best a 6th round project.
Lynch isn’t a QB as you stated he’s an athlete.
Wentz is some guy people want to tout that will be there in round 2 or 3. Could even go 4 or 5.
If we we don’t take Goff at 2 I’ll be bummed. If we take a WR I’ll be pissed. Hopefully these guys finally get the priorities straight
Freedom!!!
What if we took Bosa?
If we pass on Goff for Bosa then Goff better bust out of the NFL or the QB we pick better win us a Super Bowl.
Freedom!!!
Goff is definitely “the guy” if we want a QB, as none of the other prosepcts are as NFL ready (and we all know he’d be playing by the second half of week 2). But he’s not so overwhelming that I’d be pissed if we pass on him. He’s definitely a step below a blue-chip can’t miss prospect.
Goff comes from an offense that can be installed in THREE DAYS. Wentz comes from a WCO that take a WHOLE offseason to install using professional players and coaches.
Which one do you think has a better shot at transitioning to the NFL?
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You guys seem to be assuming that The Titans are going to take the OT from Mississippi 1st overall. There’s just one problem with that. The Titans have already announced that their first round pick is available for the right offer. So how far down the draft are the Titans willing to slide? Who knows? I can’t imagine it would be outside the top ten, though. Of those teams besides Tennessee and Cleveland, let’s look at their QB position . . .
#3 San Diego – Phillips Rivers is still at the top of his game at 34, but they need to think about acquiring an heir apparent and grooming him. Sounds more like a candidate to draft Cardale Jones in like the third or fourth round and coach him up.
#4 Dallas – Tony Romo is 35 and coming off an injury riddled season. If the price isn’t too steep, Jerry Jones might bite.
#5 Jacksonville – Blake Bortles . . . probably not trading up for a QB.
#6 Baltimore – Joe Flacco . . . probably not trading up for a QB either.
#7 San Francisco – Colin Kaepernick just might be the reclamation project that Chip Kelly has been dreaming of. Then again, he may want his guy in from day one.
#8 Miami – Ryan Tannehill . . . probably not trading up for a QB either.
#9 Tampa Bay – Jameis Winston – definitely not trading up for a QB.
#10 NY Giants – Eli Manning is 35 and needs O-line help to keep him upright. If they draft a QB, it’ll likely be a developmental project.
So . . . unless the Eagles at #13 or the Rams at #15 blow the Titans’ doors off, they’re only going to move down a few slots at the most and Goff will in all likelihood be there at #2 if the Browns think he’s worthy of the pick.
As for me . . . I’ve seen Goff on film and I like most of what I see. I like his height, field vision, leadership ability and accuracy as a passer. He seems to have a high football IQ and can process information quickly. What I don’t like are his spindly legs – one of which sports a full length knee brace – and 210 lb. frame that doesn’t look like it can carry more than 10 lbs. of added bulk. His bone structure scares the living crap out of me because we already have one frail QB on the roster.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
I think Goff to the Niners makes a TON of sense Wunkle.
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@billwunkle while another team leapforgging us for Goff (should he be the quarterback our talent evaluators desire) is a concern, I’m equally concerned with the Titans winning a poker game with our (extremely inexperienced) front office and getting us to trade up to #1, much like when we traded up for Trent Richardson a few years back. This team is going to have a lot of holes, and I don’t want to waste any of our draft picks on trading up.
I don’t think people would be leapfrogging for a QB this year. I think we already know who the best recruit is in this draft. I put the chances of their trading down at 10%.
I don’t think people would be leapfrogging for a QB this year. I think we already know who the best recruit is in this draft. I put the chances of their trading down at 10%.
If Dallas offer the Browns just their 2nd round pick to move up 2 spots, the Browns would be DUMB not to take it IMO.
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I don’t think people would be leapfrogging for a QB this year. I think we already know who the best recruit is in this draft. I put the chances of their trading down at 10%.
Yes they will. They’ll take Goff. The meaningless win will cost us the future and we’ll be stuck with garbage. The #2 pick is going to hurt. We’ll reach for a bum like Wentz or even dumber – a worthless tool like Cook.
Freedom!!!
I don’t think people would be leapfrogging for a QB this year. I think we already know who the best recruit is in this draft. I put the chances of their trading down at 10%.
Yes they will. They’ll take Goff. The meaningless win will cost us the future and we’ll be stuck with garbage. The #2 pick is going to hurt. We’ll reach for a bum like Wentz or even dumber – a worthless tool like Cook.
Wow soup so you are against prospects with 5 years experience in pro schemes and and for an air raid guy which has a 100% failure rate in the NFL at producing starters let alone franchise QB’s. Goff will just be another train wreck on the scrap heap of air raid QB’s that have come to the NFL. It would be completely asinine for the front office to ignore the scheme he comes from that has produced nothing but failures.
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MDP has a legitimated concern. We have a rookie GM and that’s a scenario that makes them ripe for the taking. If the Browns move their first round pick, I would hope that it’s to acquire more picks.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
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