[BrownsFan4Life]

Browns 2018 draft
First round: Mayfield (1), Ward (4).
Second round: Corbett (33), Nick Chubb (35).
Third round: Chad Thomas (67).
Fourth round: Antonio Callaway (105).
Fifth round: Avery (150).
Sixth round: Damion Ratley (175), Simeon Thomas (188).

Browns 2019 draft
Round 2 • Pick 14 (46) • CB Greedy Williams.
Round 3 • Pick 17 (80) • LB Sione Takitaki.
Round 4 • Pick 17 (119) • S Sheldrick Redwine.
Round 5 • Pick 17 (155) • LB Mack Wilson.
Round 5 • Pick 32 (170) • K Austin Seibert.
Round 6 • Pick 17 (189) • G Drew Forbes.
Round 7 • Pick 7 (221) • CB Donnie Lewis Jr.

Trades
Mar. 9, 2018 – Browns acquire wide receiver Jarvis Landry from Chiefs in exchange for 2018 fourth round pick and 2019 seventh round pick

Mar. 9, 2018 – Browns acquire quarterback Tyrod Taylor from Bills in exchange for a 2018 third round pick

Mar. 9, 2018 – Browns acquire free safety Damarious Randall from Packers in exchange for quarterback DeShone Kizer while also swapping picks in the fourth and fifth rounds

Sep. 2, 2018 – Browns acquire defensive tackle Devaroe Lawrence from Saints in exchange for a 2019 seventh round pick

Mar. 13, 2019 – Browns acquire defensive end Olivier Vernon and wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. from Giants in exchange for offensive guard Kevin Zeitler, safety Jabrill Peppers, the No. 17 overall selection and the No. 95 overall selection

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Dorsey’s biggest mistake was hiring Freddie Kitchens and blowing up the coaching staff last year. When Haslem decided to fire Kitchens, he had two choices. He could have let Dorsey run the coaching search after failing miserably the first time or he could have let him go. He chose the latter.

Draft wise, Dorsey was a real mixed bag. He had some great draft picks (Chubb) and some wasted ones (Austin Corbett, Antonio Calloway). Avery had a good year in 2018 then couldn’t even get in teh lineup before being traded in 2019 and the Browns really missed him IMO. It wasn’t quite as bad as trading Zeitler for Oliver though combined with drafting Corbett. Trading a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor wa another major mistake for Dorsey.

Trading for Landry, Randall and Beckham were really good moves. Landry obviously being the best of all the trades.

Like I said, a mixed bag. Kitchens was Dorseys downfall.

There was a lot of really good moves that Dorsey made and some seriously bad ones too. I will still say his biggest mistake was hiring Kitchens.

[Dawg E. Dawg]

Agree mostly, though I give him a pass on the Taylor move. He needed a an, and Taylor is not bad, though he did struggle in his short time in CLE. But, I’d much rather have him in the building yo show Baker what a qb1 looks like and behaves like and to push them, then to not have him at all.

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I remember thinking at the time that Tyrod Taylor was one of the worst available options at QB. He didn’t excite me at all. His work ethic was undoubtable though and he was a good influence on Baker.

I did not (and still don’t) understand trading Avery away. He’s a low risk guy with a ton of upside and we sure as hell could have used him this year when we lost both of our starting pass rushers.

Dorsey’s best move might have been cutting Kenny Britt, or trading for Landry. His worst was probably drafting Corbett.

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I’d go back farther than Kitchens and say that keeping Hue was his worst move. Should have just cleaned house after 1-31 and built a staff he was aligned with. Too many personell disagreements along with ineptitude.

Not bringing in competition for LT was his next biggest mistake, followed closely by trading Zietler.

Trading for Landry was his best move, followed closely by drafting Chubb. Trading for Randall was also brilliant.

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MDP Sack Attack wrote:

I’d go back farther than Kitchens and say that keeping Hue was his worst move. Should have just cleaned house after 1-31 and built a staff he was aligned with. Too many personell disagreements along with ineptitude.

He might have had to keep Hue for a year just to get the GM job. Haslam was talked about as a guy who was way too quick on the trigger and it was starting to hurt us in luring assistant coaches.

MDP Sack Attack wrote:

Not bringing in competition for LT was his next biggest mistake, followed closely by trading Zietler.

Not bringing in COMPETENT competition you mean. We had a bunch of shit tackles on the roster. But who was out there for us to get? Please don’t say Nate Solder because he sucks.

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Those calling out Callaway and Avery:

1. Callaway was a round 1 talent picked in round 4 due to risk. Who did we miss on that was chosen after Callaway in round 4 of that draft?

2. Avery couldn’t even dress with our staff. Dorseys job is to get coaches players that fit their scheme. While I was baffled why he wasn’t dressing, he also has yet to see any success in Philly.

3. Agree Kitchens was a huge miss, obviously as week 1 I stated how horrible he was due to that performance.

4. Corbett was his worst draft miss as that’s an early one to miss on.

Overall he was the best and only football guy we’ve had since the return.

Freedom!!!

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soup wrote:

1. Callaway was a round 1 talent picked in round 4 due to risk. Who did we miss on that was chosen after Callaway in round 4 of that draft?

Agree. He’s a guy that fell due to off-field issues but had enough talent to be in the NFL.

soup wrote:

2. Avery couldn’t even dress with our staff. Dorseys job is to get coaches players that fit their scheme. While I was baffled why he wasn’t dressing, he also has yet to see any success in Philly.

Also not good enough to dress: Higgins, Njoku, Randall. Those are guys we KNOW are better than the guys who started in their place. Avery was in that group too. Kitchens put guys in his doghouse and we’ll probably never know why.

soup wrote:

Overall he was the best and only football guy we’ve had since the return.

Not the only football guy, but I agree he’s been the best at acquiring player talent. But he was shit at picking a HC.

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Good points on Avery compared with other doghouse guys.

Who else leading did we have that was a football guy? Holmgren was a football coach, not a “football guy” in GM terms (he made that obvious in Seattle). I should’ve been more specific in regards to football guy as a GM

Freedom!!!

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I guess you’ll have to define ‘football guy’ for me to answer.

[BrownsFan4Life]

After a promising rookie season Avery couldn’t crack the lineup because we had an idiot DC to go along with an idiot HC.

My problem with Calloway is just that it was a wasted pick. Of course John Dorsey knows A LOT about drafting players with questionable pasts. Sometimes it works out and something it is a complete failure.

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BrownsFan4Life wrote:

After a promising rookie season Avery couldn’t crack the lineup because we had an idiot DC to go along with an idiot HC.
My problem with Calloway is just that it was a wasted pick. Of course John Dorsey knows A LOT about drafting players with questionable pasts. Sometimes it works out and something it is a complete failure.

My point on Callaway is who was the rousing success in round 4 we should have picked

Freedom!!!

[Dawg E. Dawg]

Agreed that Calloway wasn’t a big loss. There are some ok players picked after him, but they’d all struggle to be a starter. Though, I disagree that he was a first round talent. Mid-late 2nd at best.

As for football guys, Ray Farmer is a football guy, and he’s possibly the worst GM we’ve had. I say possibly, because that’s quite an achievement and I couldn’t give it to him without a couple months of serious consideration.

[MDP Sack Attack]

What exactly is a “football guy”? I had thought we’d been using the term to differentiate between Depodesta, who comes from baseball, and Dorsey. But now that we’re also saying Berry is not a “football guy” and Holmgren might not be a “football guy”, I don’t think it means what I thought it did.

[Dawg E. Dawg]

I’m not sure either. I used Farmer because he was a player before he was a scout, before he was a gm. Seems like an undisputed football guy. But I’m not clear on the soup definition.

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Berry is absolutely a football guy. Not only has football been his career since he graduated college, he was also a division 2 college football player and a pretty good one.

Funny all the people saying Podesta isn’t a football guy, he also played college football.

[MDP Sack Attack]

Aren’t they all “football guys”, then? Maybe not Sashi?

Even forgotten names like “Kokonis” and “Heckert” were football guys, no?

Here’s the list:

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Paul Brown Browns
Harold Sauerbrei Browns
Peter Hadhazy Browns
Ernie Accorsi Browns
Bill Belichick Browns
Ozzie Newsome Browns
Dwight Clark Browns
Butch Davis Browns
Phil Savage Browns
George Kokinis Browns
Tom Heckert Browns
Michael Lombardi Browns
Ray Farmer Browns
Sashi Brown Browns
John Dorsey Browns

[soup]

You’d have to start with Dwight Clark on as I’m referring to 1999 on. But yes, you are right.

We’ve sucked for so long it feels like we’ve been playing croquet instead

Freedom!!!

[Ice]

I think perhaps what Soup meant by ‘football guys’ is ‘good at their job football guys’.

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