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818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Well, here’s what led up to his release in KC. Not sure it’s all good, but judging by his track record it certainly isn’t all bad either.
Sounds like Ray Farmer part 2.
My god only you could make such an insanely idiotic and profoundly ridiculous statement.
This is the most decorated and most highly qualified executive the Browns have hired since their return in ’99, and its not even close. 26 years as an NFL front office exec resulting in 19 playoff berths, 11 divisional titles, 3 conference championships and 2 Super Bowl victories. He resurrected the Chiefs and loaded them with talent.
If he does anything but draft a QB #1 overall he’s another bust
Such a closed, myopic statement.
This is a genuine talent evaluater with a track record of success who knows how to make great moves and immediately gives the Browns direction and leadership. But sure, go ahead and pigeonhole it all into one simplified thing and dismiss an entire body of work.
Read your signature 5 times in a row.
Soup notwithstanding, this is an absolutely FANTASTIC hire by the Browns. To be honest, I can’t believe that Haslam and this organization were actually able to pull off a move like that. I feel like we stole something.
Some people are questioning the timing of this move, but I think the timing was fantastic. It gives Dorsey time to evaluate the team in real time over the last 4 games, get ingrained with his coaching staff and how they work, see the players on a daily/weekly game basis, and overall get to observe how the browns as an organization function during season. That will aid him in making preparations for the draft, which now he will have plenty of time to do. Obviously the QB situation is THE one that will need to be addressed, but there are many other pressing issues as well.
I am excited for the future of this franchise after this.
Haslam apparently was sick of the long view. IDK, there’s almost a freedom that comes with watching a Browns game but knowing before it starts that they are going to lose.
IDK, there’s almost a freedom that comes with watching a Browns game but knowing before it starts that they are going to lose.
In theory this is the most experienced guy since the walrus.
Not sure why he would want to come to Cleveland where we have a meddling owner and the front office has traditionally been a circus.
Of course, everyone knows that it is just a paycheck. He will be here 2 years like the rest of them, fire hue after 2018 season, bring in his own crew and we’re back to ground 0 with 4-6 win years.
At least 4-6 wins does exactly what ice said.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
4-6 wins would absolutely suck. I’m at peace with the Browns losing every game. I don’t watch the games hoping for a win anymore. I watch them hoping to see some individual wins and some nice plays. That’s all I want out of them. Winning 4-6 games a year would turn me back into the monster that foams at the mouth and punches and kicks imaginary dogs out of frustration. That’s just enough wins for me to have hope every game, and have that hope dashed in the most Browns way possible.
Right now I live in the pit of misery and once you get used to the constant torture it’s really not that bad.
@shooter if he doesn’t grab a QB he’s a bust. Don’t care about his past. The worst position on our team by a long shot – is QB. there’s really no debating that fact. We literally have the worst QB in the NFL leading our team.
My Farmer statement came from the article essentially stating a few times he went off the rails and ignored scouts which is one reason he was let go.
For the record I’m staying neutral on the hire until draft day. It’s that simple. I’m glad Sashi is gone. That’s obvious. It’s also obvious Haslam has no clue how to hire a front office.
That said, I’m not excited by the hire nor am I mad about it. I’m neutral until draft day.
Freedom!!!
I’m cautiously optimistic. His background from Green Bay and KC has me hopeful. Both teams were built be right way, with good drafting. Though, ultimately it will, as Soup says, come down to the QB. Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, Kizer, they’ve all taken down GMs. You can split hairs about this or that pick, but it was those guys that did their respective GMs in.
I am sad to see Sashi the trader go. He made some hard decisions, and he passed on some good qbs, but he also accumulated a ton of picks and has this team in an actual good position going forward. That said, I’m thrilled to see Sashi the player evaluator leave. You just can’t do much worse picking players than he did. Unless you’re Butch Davis, I guess.
I’m neutral until draft day.
if he doesn’t grab a QB he’s a bust.
Your problem is that you’re oversimplifying getting a QB into just drafting one, and specifically in the 1st round.
There are many ways he could go about getting a QB. This is a guy who both drafted Mahomes and signed Alex Smith.
The Browns could draft one, sign one, or even trade for one. They could do all three. hey could do 2. Saying that if he doesn’t take a QB #1 overall or in the 1st round, makes him a bust is narrow-minded and destructive thinking.
I’m neutral until draft day.
if he doesn’t grab a QB he’s a bust.
Your problem is that you’re oversimplifying getting a QB into just drafting one, and specifically in the 1st round.
There are many ways he could go about getting a QB. This is a guy who both drafted Mahomes and signed Alex Smith.
The Browns could draft one, sign one, or even trade for one. They could do all three. hey could do 2. Saying that if he doesn’t take a QB #1 overall or in the 1st round, makes him a bust is narrow-minded and destructive thinking.Drew Brees – signed in FA Super Bowl winner. Alex Smith – success in KC. Favre traded for.
BEn – drafted
Brady – drafted
Manning – drafted
Manning drafted and signed in off-season (was already a first ballott HOF)
Aaron Rodgers – drafted
Russell Wilson – draftedSeeing a pattern?
1st round. 1st pick. QB or the dude is a bust. Enough with the games already. Enough with the Kizers, Manziels, Quinn’s, Weedens — grab the guy NOW. Or he’s gone in 3 years. It’s that simple.
Freedom!!!
Drew Brees – signed in FA Super Bowl winner. Alex Smith – success in KC. Favre traded for.
BEn – drafted
Brady – drafted
Manning – drafted
Manning drafted and signed in off-season (was already a first ballott HOF)
Aaron Rodgers – drafted
Russell Wilson – drafted
Seeing a pattern?
1st round. 1st pick. QB or the dude is a bust. Enough with the games already. Enough with the Kizers, Manziels, Quinn’s, Weedens — grab the guy NOW. Or he’s gone in 3 years. It’s that simple.Come again for big fudge?
You argued against shooter with a bunch of qbs that support shooters argument. Am I missing something?
Of all the qbs you listed, only Manning was drafted 1st overall and had success with the team that drafted him (Smith was #1, but obviously you’re focusing on his chiefs career).
In fact, Brady, Brees, Rodger, Wilson, and Favre were all picked after 20, and you’re using them as examples of why you shouldn’t pick a qb after 20. In what world does that make sense?
The real meaning behind your list of players is that you have to get a franchise qb by whatever means necessary. You have to identify the guy and go get him. Simple as that. Which is what Shooter said in the first place.
You argued against shooter with a bunch of qbs that support shooters argument. Am I missing something?
Right!!!? WTF?
Yes, you are missing something. Which ones of those traded back from 1st overall to land their guy?
Freedom!!!
Yes, you are missing something. Which ones of those traded back from 1st overall to land their guy?
What? The colts with manning is the only one where the team even had the opportunity to trade the first pick. This is you argument:
Teams acquired franchise qbs by:
Signing FA
Signing FA
TradeDrafted 11th overall
Drafted 6th round
Drafted 1st overall
Drafted 24th overall
Drafted 3rd roundOMG!! We have to take a qb 1st overall, it’s the only way!!
Btw, I’m not disagreeing with drafting a qb 1st, just your argument for it. You have as much evidence for drafting a qb in the sixth round as you do for drafting one 1st overall.
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