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That quote would hold a lot more water with me if he hadn’t said almost the exact same thing about Manziel.
McCown speaks highly of Garappolo.
Now, I’m fairly certain that Josh has far more experience and knowledge when it comes to playing QB in the NFL than any of us do. So when it comes to watching video and analyzing what he sees based on that knowledge and experience, I’m gonna take the guys word pretty seriously.
I asked Ice in the other thread “If you woke up in the morning and found out Jimmy G was on the team, would you be happy?”
More and more, the answer is going to “yes” for me.Mccown has never been in the QB room with him. Mccown is also a stand up guy looking for another job. He’s not going to bad mouth anyone. And it would be illogical to think he spent a ton of time on tape on him
Freedom!!!
Pretty strong words, but the problem is McCown is a genuinely nice guy. By that I mean, if he’s asked about 99% of the players in the league, he’s going to say nice things because that’s just who he is.
So, when they asked him about Jimmy, he had nice things to say. I’m not gonna do backflips over it.
the problem is McCown is a genuinely nice guy. By that I mean, if he’s asked about 99% of the players in the league, he’s going to say nice things because that’s just who he is.
Seen by many around the league as a coach in the making, McCown swatted down the idea that Garoppolo is simply the latest Brady understudy to be overvalued by teams desperate for a consistent starter. He sees no comparison with Matt Cassel, who netted a second-round pick from the Chiefs in 2009.
“When you turn on the tape, one has an elite skill set and one doesn’t,” McCown said. “I like Matt and he’s a pro quarterback, but Jimmy has a chance to be elite.”
I don’t disagree on the McCown take, but the italicized quote both led to my thread title and also serves as a quasi-refute to your point I feel. He’s not gonna say something nice about a guy just to say it. “Matt’s good and all but, Matt ain’t that good” is what I read in between the lines. That’s a nice way of saying “that dude right there is way better than that other dude”. Or even further, “Matt Cassel sucks, Jimmy doesn’t”. He’d never say that outright, because as you mentioned he’s a nice guy. But, he pretty much did.
Again, that guy knows a helluva lot more about playing QB in the NFL than I sure as hell ever will, so his thoughts on the matter have weight as far as I’m concerned. And that line about McCown being a “coach in the making” is quite telling in a certain way. I think he is going to go that route, and if that’s the case, he’s already starting to turn a critical/analytical eye towards the position and his evaluation of it. If you’re a coach, yeah sure you can be a nice guy and all, but you also have to be realistic and look a guy in the eye and say “hey bro, you’re not good enough”. And I think that that’s what he did talking about Cassell. I also think he saw something he really, really liked in Garappolo, and to me then, that has credence.
Am I sitting here going “McCown said he’s the man! Calm down everyone, that’s all I need to hear, he’s our guy let’s go get him at any price, the oracle has spoken!”?
C’mon, of course not. I’m not that easily swayed. All I’m saying is that a respected, if unspectacular, newly-corwned-“former”-player and soon-to-be-coach talks a guy up and drops a line like “this dude ain’t no Matt Cassel”………I’m listening. And it does make me raise an eyebrow a bit when doing so.
Am I full steam aboard the “Fuck-it-do-whatever-it-takes for Jimmy G train”? No.
But if I answer my own proposed question to Ice, “If I woke up tomorrow and read the Browns got Garappolo would I be happy? question…..my answer would be yeah. Yeah I would be.
We seriously have to pump the breaks on all the Jimmy G. talk. Jimmy G. for the #12 pick? Are you friggin serious? The guy was given a 5.82 out of 10.00 rating by NFL.com when he was drafted in 2014. His weaknesses are listed as:
Is a tad undersized with small hands (9 1/4″) and short arms (31″). Uses a three-quarters delivery that could lead to batted balls. Works heavily out of the shotgun in a spread offense, and footwork could require adjustment to working from under center. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket. Does not rip the deep out or drive the ball with high RPMs. Undershoots and often hangs the deep ball. Makes receivers work for the ball downfield, and deep accuracy could stand to improve. Makes a lot of simple, one-look reads and was not heavily challenged by consistent pressure or complex looks in the Ohio Valley Conference.
And you’re talking about spending the #12 pick in the draft for that? You have got to be kidding me! Think about the weather in Cleveland in November and December and tell me how a QB with those physical attributes is going to fare. Not only will I go as far as to say that a better QB than Jimmy G. can be found in this draft, I’ll go on record as saying that if Pat Mahomes falls to the second round of this draft, there will be a better QB than Jimmy G. taken in the second round of this draft.
That’s not to say Jimmy G. couldn’t do good in Miami, New orleans, Texas or California, but think about the other QBs who have excelled in the North like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Brady, Flacco and even to a certain degree Stafford, and it becomes obvious that Jimmy G. is not built for the North.
Every year we see this. The media anoints an unproven commodity as the next sure thing and someone, normally some QB desperate team, ponies up big money and sets their franchise back several years. The Bears with Cutler. The Texans with Osweiler. The Eagles with the Bradford/Foles trade. If Garoppolo were the next surefire franchise QB, he’d replace Brady and the Pats would land far more in exchange for Brady than they would for Garoppolo. Doubt that? Young supplanted Montana. Rodgers supplanted Favre. Rivers supplanted Brees. When the franchise believes they have the next “it” QB, they don’t part ways with him.
The bottom line is this: Trading that #12 pick for Jimmy G. is like trading your cow for magic beans. I guess my point is buyer beware. Regardless of where he goes, he’s probably going to struggle in his first year in the new system (just like any draft pick). Yes he had a few years to sit behind Brady. So did Cassel. So did Mallett. “But McCown thinks this guy is legit”. Sure, McCown was a QB in the NFL and I wasn’t, so that counts for something. But consider this, since 2002, McCown threw for 14,242 yards. John Elway (the GM for the Denver Broncos) threw for 51,475 yards. So if we’re using McCown’s NFL production as the validating factor in his analysis of Garoppolo, I’d be remiss not to point out that Elway, whose team is literally a QB away from being a Super Bowl contender again, produced far more than McCown and has shown no interest in the Eastern Illinois product at all. My point? McCown is far more like you and I than he is someone like Elway. Food for thought.
The bottom line is this: the NFL is jaded. Pundits are jaded. Unless there’s an Andrew Luck type prospect who checks all the boxes, we’re only going to hear about how terrible the current draft class is. The reality is that guys like Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Derek Carr, Tony Romo, Tom Brady, and even to a certain extent, Aaron Rodgers, are going to be picked after busts like RG3, Alex Smith, Johnny Manziel, and Blake Bortles. There’s a reason the rich get richer. Unless Garoppolo’s hands and arms grew since the combine, I’ve really got no interest in the guy. There will be comparable or better QBs than Garopollo in this draft, and I look forward to digging this thread up in a few years to remind us all of that fact.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0So we’re at the “small hands” argument?
Quick, someone call Derek Carr and let him know he sucks, because his hands are smaller, 9.13! Tell Tony Romo he’ll never make it in the NFL with those 8.88 inch hands! Run to Miami, let them know they have to release Tannehill immediately, his hands are only 9 inches!Teddy Bridewater is doomed, his are only 9 and 1/4 too!
I hate the hand size argument. You can either throw the football or you can’t. The average american males hands are 7.44 inches, putting every QB in the NFL miles ahead of the average Joe, hence why they have a uniform and we all have beer coozies.
So, we’re at the “small hands” argument?
No, we’re at the “small hands”, “small arms”, “three quarters delivery”, “does not rip or spin the ball”, “undershoots and often hangs the deep ball”. Show me that those things are no longer valid and I’ll remove my objections. Jimmy G. has had 2 good games early in the season when weather has not been a factor. If he’s going to start 16 games, those are some pretty big red flags come November and December.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I defy you to watch this film of every throw his best statistical game of 2016 and show me any play where Jimmy just wows you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUI6YmBkj1w
What I see is a QB whose passes are consistently off target (behind, high, etc) and who simply looks unable to complete a deep throw. He’s nowhere close on any of his deep balls. I just don’t see what all the fuss is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixrLtgGKS-8
This is a video of his “highlights” from the prior week. Again, I defy you to point out a big gain that wasn’t the result of broken coverage or the receiver being wide open. Not a single “wow” throw into a tight window at all.
Again, I’m not buying into what the Patriots are selling. I’ll root for him if he’s in Orange and Brown next season, but I don’t see anything that sets him apart from Kessler honestly.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I defy you to watch this film of every throw his best statistical game of 2016 and show me any play where Jimmy just wows you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUI6YmBkj1w
What I see is a QB whose passes are consistently off target (behind, high, etc) and who simply looks unable to complete a deep throw. He’s nowhere close on any of his deep balls. I just don’t see what all the fuss is about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixrLtgGKS-8
This is a video of his “highlights” from the prior week. Again, I defy you to point out a big gain that wasn’t the result of broken coverage or the receiver being wide open. Not a single “wow” throw into a tight window at all.
Again, I’m not buying into what the Patriots are selling. I’ll root for him if he’s in Orange and Brown next season, but I don’t see anything that sets him apart from Kessler honestly.I’ve made it abundantly clear I want no parts of him at all. That said:
About 4:15 into the video – the play he got injured on was a WOW play.
He also showed really good pocket awareness and moved well in it.
But overall they protected him with a ton of screen passes. I wouldn’t touch him. Brady’s career is near it’s end. if Jimmy is a franchise guy then Bill won’t let him go. If he’s what I suspect he is – then Bill will trade him.
Freedom!!!
if Jimmy is a franchise guy then Bill won’t let him go. If he’s what I suspect he is – then Bill will trade him.
I hate this argument too. Ice made the same one, and at best this is flawed logic. Again, you need to understand the situation.
Brady’s career is near it’s end.
Doubtful. He wants to play 3-5 more years. Who’s gonna bench him? He’s the GOAT, just won his 5th Superbowl, and shows no signs whatsoever of slowing down. He can make any demand that he wants, and honestly you’re going to have to drag him off the field, which again I ask, who’s going to? Garrapolo is a FA at the end of the season. Do you think he wants to stay in New England just waiting for Brady to finally break down so he gets his chance? That could be next year, it could also be 2021.
If he goes FA, New England gets nothing for him. New England also isn’t going to sign him to a huge contract, and even if by some strange idiocy they did and decided to pay 2 QB’s 40+ million, why would he take it? To sit on the bench for potentially 1-5 more years? He’s 26, he wants to play. So, he’s gone after the season. Which again, means New England gets nothing.
Trading him away in no way is an indictment of the “lack of belief” in Garappolo’s abilities, it’s the situation. They either trade him now and get something for him, or get nothing next February. The prudent move is to trade him, regardless of how they are on him, because Brady isn’t going anywhere.
The best that the Pats can hope for is that Brady’s play absolutely falls off a cliff next season, in which case they will know that he won’t be able to continue and will lock Jimmy G up. That’s quite a leap.
Trading him in no way signals he’s worth parting with, it just shows that the Pats can read the writing on the wall and are making a sound decision based on what’s best for the organization.
Why you guys keep failing to take any of this into account is beyond me. It destroys the point of “if they trade him, it’s because they think he’s garbage”. It’s absurd. If Belicheck thinks he’s a franchise QB and keeps him, then he’d 2 franchise QB’s, and guess what? Only 1 can play. It doesn’t matter what Belicheck thinks of him, unless he’s benching/cutting or otherwise moving on from Brady, he doesn’t have a choice in the matter other than get something now, or get nothing later.
Why you guys keep failing to take any of this into account is beyond me. It destroys the point of “if they trade him, it’s because they think he’s garbage”. It’s absurd. If Belicheck thinks he’s a franchise QB and keeps him, then he’d 2 franchise QB’s, and guess what? Only 1 can play. It doesn’t matter what Belicheck thinks of him, unless he’s benching/cutting or otherwise moving on from Brady, he doesn’t have a choice in the matter other than get something now, or get nothing later.
Because the same arguments have been made about Brady’s understudies in the past and not a single one has gone on to have success. Belichick had no problem replacing 4 time All Pro QB Drew Bledsoe, who led the Patriots to six playoff appearances and a Super Bowl, with Brady (even though Bledsoe had a then-record ten-year, $103 million contract.). Do you know why? Because that’s what winners do. Montana to Young. Manning to Luck. Favre to Rodgers. Brees to Rivers. You’re acting like that never happens, yet it happens on a fairly regular basis and has happened in New England before. Belichick is not the sentimental type. He cares about one thing: winning. If he thought Jimmy G. gave him a better chance to win than Brady, Brady would be gone.
Now, I get that there is room between a seviceable franchise QB and Tom Brady. I even understand if you think that Jimmy G. might fit in that window between serviceable franchise QB and Brady. What I don’t understand is why.
Jimmy G. is not exceptionally physically gifted. He wasn’t a highly sought after draft prospect and, while he did have two good games with the Patriots last season, he proved easily injured and not at all remarkable in terms of his play. I’m genuinely curious, what do you see in him?
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0I defy you to watch this film of every throw his best statistical game of 2016 and show me any play where Jimmy just wows you:
Well he led his team to a win, that wows me because we don’t do that here. He beat a playoff team, that really wows me, because we don’t do that here either. He threw 3 Touchdowns in one game, that wows the shit out of me because I haven’t seen that in forever. He completed 70% of his passes, that wowed me.
If you want a specific play, his 1st TD to Bennet was gorgeous, and wowed me.
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