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Adam scheifter reported on NFL live that the Giants are in love with USC QB Sam Darnold and that the Browns have Darnold UCLA QB Josh Rosen and Wyoming QB Josh Allen Graded Really close.
Would you swap picks with the G-Men and take the second QB off the board for an extra Second or an extra first in 19′If the giants trade their first round next year and a second this year, it’s a no Brainer. Otherwise you draft the guy they want 🙂 and then trade them when they are on the clock lol.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Only if we graded our QB higher than who they want. They won’t lie because it’ll get around the league and effect all future deals they could do.
If our guy is their guy, no,vwe take him.
Freedom!!!
Adam scheifter reported on NFL live that the Giants are in love with USC QB Sam Darnold and that the Browns have Darnold UCLA QB Josh Rosen and Wyoming QB Josh Allen Graded Really close.
And that, right there ^^ ladies and gentleman, is why the Browns will be taking Barkley at 1.
Once again, as I have explained a number of times, there is absolutely no separation whatsoever for the Browns on the QB position. This factor is an amazingly important one, and one that all of you are drastically overlooking for reasons that I cannot understand.
The Browns do not, I repeat, DO NOT favor one particular QB. That is an absolute fact. They are rated as interchangeable on their board. That means that they don’t car which one they get. No one stands out.
That is why they are taking Barkley at 1. It insures they get the best player in the draft and a QB of the future. Passing on Barkley is far too risky because the Giants may very well be inclined to take him at 2, leaving the Browns with a QB they could have had at 4 anyway and no Barkley. Taking Barkley at 1 ensures they got both not matter what happens. (read that paragraph as many times as needed).
I cannot for the life of me understand why no one listens to me when I explain this. If the Browns had a particular QB rated higher than any another, then without question they would take that QB at 1. They’d roll the dice on Barkley falling to 4 and if he didn’t, they’d live with it and take the next best BPA becasue they got their guy at QB.
But they don’t. I cannot emphasize enough how important that viewpoint is, and how impactful it is on the draft and their draft strategy.
Not giving even 1 shit about which QB they get between the 3 of Rosen Darnold and Allen (which they absolutely do not) because they are rated identically to each other on their board, means that they are going to take the Best Player in the Draft at 1 and wait to see who they have left at 4 because they are guaranteed to get 1 of them.
When this is exactly what happens on draft night, every one of you guys on this site are going to line up to praise my awesomeness, awareness, wherewithal, insight, and outright factual knowledge to what just took place. And let me tell you I am going to take my sweet time receiving just that from all of you.
It’s not just that I am certain about this, it’s that the decision HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE. It’s already been decided. There is no debate and there is no discussion. The strategy to go this route was discussed and agreed upon, and that’s just all that there is to it.
You all have 37 days to accept this, and then prepare to hail me as you unquestioned dark overlord for a period of time I so choose.
I cannot for the life of me understand why no one listens to me when I explain this.
Perhaps it’s because you’re stating your opinion as fact. For me to believe all that stuff you wrote I’d have to know how you got hold of that info. Apparently you’ve not only seen their draft board but you know how they feel about the QB’s. That’s not the kind of knowledge that they’d let out.
Someone’s bullshitting you, and you’re buying it.
Perhaps it’s because you’re stating your opinion as fact.
Iiiiiiiii’m just sayin’, when it comes out as fact and not opinion, we’re gonna have ourselves a Donald Trump-sized yuge “I told you so” party, and everyone is invited lol. No one knows I told you so’s better than me, trust me, okay. It’s gonna be the biggest I told you so ever built, and all of you are going to pay for it!
This is not an opinion:
the Browns have Darnold UCLA QB Josh Rosen and Wyoming QB Josh Allen Graded Really close.
It’s an amazingly important fact.
Without supporting evidence it is NOT a fact. It’s an opinion. Actually it’s an opinion of an opinion.
It’s also a ridiculous opinion in MY opinion. There is no way those 3 guys have similar grades on anyone’s draft board. Allen is way behind the other two. The type of offense you want to play will put either Rosen or Darnold above the other, ASSUMING you pass Rosen on all the injury issues. Which I wouldn’t, because he is already been concussed enough that his recovery time is way longer than it should be. He’s one hit away from retirement.
Don’t get me wrong, I fully support what it is that you’re saying. If the Browns were in love with a QB and they were in total “this-is-our-guy” slam-dunk, no-brainer consensus prospect mode on him, then hell yes without question you take that guy at 1 and you don’t look hesitate or look back. That’s the way to go, of course. But that just isn’t the case. It sure as hell would be easier if it were I’ll tell ya that.
There is no way those 3 guys have similar grades on anyone’s draft board.
There absolutely is and that’s exactly what has happened. Maybe not on everyone’s draft board, but on the Browns draft board they are and that’s the only board that matters. That is the crux of this entire point. It is paramount to their decision-making.
Let’s say hypothetically that Barkley didn’t declare and wasn’t part of this draft. I firmly believe that the Browns still wouldn’t know which QB they would be taking until they went on the clock on draft day, and would probably take the entire time to second guess themselves. That, is how incredibly close the Browns have the top 3 QB’s ranked/rated. Don’t you find it a bit odd that Adam Shefter reported THE EXACT SAME THING that I have said for weeks? Is that just a coincidence, or can you dare to believe that it has some validity to it? Do you think he’s just stating his “opinion”, or do you think he has some inside knowledge of what they’re thinking in Berea?
The total lack of separation among the QB’s is powering taking Barkley at 1.
If you take a QB at 1 and miss on him, you’re not only wrong about the QB but you miss out on getting Barkley. If you take Barkley first, even if the QB falters you can still walk away getting the best player in the draft. The Browns want both and there’s only one way to get both and that’s taking Barkley first.
@shooter where is this information coming from? Not a single person stating this info predicted any of the Browns trades this off-season. If they can’t predict their trades, how in the hell would they possibly know their draft board?
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@shooter where is this information coming from? Not a single person stating this info predicted any of the Browns trades this off-season. If they can’t predict their trades, how in the hell would they possibly know their draft board?
Just exactly what I was goin to say. The Browns executed a metric shit ton of moves within a 24 hour period, and nobody, nobody, NOBODY had any idea it was coming ahead of time.
But, Shooter happens to be in on the most closely guarded information over a month in advance? Smells like bull to me.
Also, I find it odd that our owner would go watch Darnolds pro day after the decision to draft Barkley has already been carved in stone.
Not to mention Hue hugged Darnold at the end of his workout, now i’d be interested if hue hugs Allen Mayfield and Rosen.
@shooter where is this information coming from?
Ask Shefter. See if he’ll give up a source lol.
The Browns executed a metric shit ton of moves within a 24 hour period, and nobody, nobody, NOBODY had any idea it was coming ahead of time.
I find that statement to be totally bereft of logic. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knew that the Browns were going to launch into a flurry of moves with the addition of Dorsey to the FO, the draft capital we had, the cap room we had, and the glaring holes we had on a team that went 0-16
I’m to believe you didn’t see a roster overhaul coming? Are you serious? We ALL knew that was coming.
Also, I find it odd that our owner would go watch Darnolds pro day after the decision to draft Barkley has already been carved in stone.
Why? Knowing and seeing everything there is to know and see about the QB’s is still a vital element to the future of the organization. It’s not odd at all, it’s prudent.
Not to mention Hue hugged Darnold at the end of his workout
Now we’re basing prognostications on hugs? Are you fucking kidding me lol?
Woah woah woah, back up there. You’re trying to completely change my statement, and I’m not about to let that happen. I’m not talking about “knowing the Browns would be making moves,” because yes, everybody knew the Browns would be making SOME KIND of moves. I’m talking about knowing specifically that in the late afternoon of Friday, March 9, the Browns would be making 4 trades and getting rid of Kizer and Shelton while adding Taylor and Landry. See the difference? Nobody knew ANY of the specifics. It didn’t come out ahead of time at all, just all of a sudden…BOOM!!! 4 trades.
In the same way, we all know the Browns will be making draft picks. Nobody knows exactly WHO the Browns will be picking, because that info is being closely guarded. THATS my argument.
I for one am not basing my position on Hue’s hug or Jimmy’s sitting with Darnolds parents but on the common sense approach to building a team which is
1. Find a QB
2. Have a pass rush
3. Have good CB’s
4. have a good o-line
so far we’ve only got 1 and are developing 1 so if qb is still a need then fill it.Nobody knows exactly WHO the Browns will be picking,
If you say so!
so if qb is still a need then fill it.
It absolutely is, and we are.
At 4.
Woah woah woah, back up there. You’re trying to completely change my statement, and I’m not about to let that happen. I’m not talking about “knowing the Browns would be making moves,” because yes, everybody knew the Browns would be making SOME KIND of moves. I’m talking about knowing specifically that in the late afternoon of Friday, March 9, the Browns would be making 4 trades and getting rid of Kizer and Shelton while adding Taylor and Landry. See the difference? Nobody knew ANY of the specifics. It didn’t come out ahead of time at all, just all of a sudden…BOOM!!! 4 trades.
In the same way, we all know the Browns will be making draft picks. Nobody knows exactly WHO the Browns will be picking, because that info is being closely guarded. THATS my argument.Rather than me writing this same thing a different way, read his again until it sinks in.
Freedom!!!
I’m talking about knowing specifically that in the late afternoon of Friday, March 9, the Browns would be making 4 trades and getting rid of Kizer and Shelton while adding Taylor and Landry.
Really going to deepest part of the well here aren’t we?
That’s an incredible level of specificity that is impossible for anyone to know in any capacity. I don’t understand the correlation.
It’s a moot point anyway though erally. You’re basically arguing as to whether or not it’s realistic to believe me.
I can understand skepticism. I get it, I do.
But that doesn’t make me wrong. Now, a heavy hitter like Shefter comes out and says the exact same thing that I’ve been saying for some time. It’s cool if you find that to just be a coincidence, and it’s fine if you don’t believe me, I’m not upset over it lol. But to dismiss me and my point as crazy simply because it doesn’t agree with what you think we should do is a kind of head-in-the-sandish.
Again, I haven’t been saying any of this because I think it’s what the Browns should do, this is my theory, this is how I believe things are going to go, or that it’s my opinion that this is the best course of action for the Browns. I’m stating that from what I understand, this is what’s happening whether any of us like it or not and that there’s a difference in those two trains of thought.
So you’re saying it’s not reasonable people would find out about the trade but it is reasonable the Browns are telling everyone their exact plan for pick #1 in the draft?
When did you full blown go off the deep end?
Freedom!!!
Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not upset, I don’t think you’re crazy (situationally, maybe. I’ve read the rants), and I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying I see no evidence that you have insider information, and I see evidence that the FO is not causally leaking information.
That’s the correlation between the trade info and the draft info. The fact that nobody knew any of the details of those trades shows that they are keeping their cards close to the vest.
It’s like sitting at a bar and the guy next to you says “I just found out, the Browns are taking Barkley 1st overall. I know people.”
How can I trust him with no evidence that he actually knows anybody? Could easily be some guy trying to sound big. What’s more, two weeks ago I saw this guy at he bar, and he didn’t mention anything about the trades the Browns were about to make. So, presumably he met somebody in those two weeks, and this person trusted him THAT much to give him info that is being kept hush hush. Hmmm.
So, I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m not saying the Browns won’t do that because I think they won’t, in fact they usually do what I think they shouldn’t. I’m just saying I don’t see any reason to believe you.
Oh, and they Schefter but just seems like confirmation bias to me. I’ve seen other media personalities saying the Browns are taking Darnold. While Schefter usually just reports what’s already happened, he can be pretty loose when he reports “what I’m hearing.” And since he works for ESPN and ESPN is televising the draft, what better way to increase the drama for the draft then to have their guy report that 3 QBs are in a dead heat to be the first guy taken??
but it is reasonable the Browns are telling everyone their exact plan for pick #1 in the draft?
When did I say that the Browns are telling everyone their draft plans? I never said anything of the sort. Why would they tell everyone what they’re doing? What good does that do?
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m saying I see no evidence that you have insider information,
Nor will you lol!!!
and I see evidence that the FO is not causally leaking information.
Neither do I, and I doubt highly that they are.
Also, I agree with everything you said in all of that (I see no need to quote it all).
I don’t believe @shooter would lie about having inside information just to enhance his image with us. We’re really not worth it. But I believe someone has deceived Shooter into believing that they have inside info, Shooter believed them, then he passed that info to us. Then he made a bunch of bets that he’s gonna regret.
I don’t believe @shooter would lie about having inside information just to enhance his image with us. We’re really not worth it.
Oh sure you are, don’t you guys sell yourselves short.
If indeed Darnold is the Giants most desired QB and He’s not the QB the Browns want, then absolutely you make the trade. The Giants need to give up at least their second round pick this year, but I want to milk them for more draft capital than that if at all possible, especially since the move up would be for a franchise QB.
Am I going mad, or did the word THINK escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic landmass!
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