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Shefter spoke with a source close to Rosen, probably someone in his immediate family.
Darnold denied saying something similar about a month ago.
Reading it makes no sense. Browns won’t commit to anyone who hasn’t declared. He’d have to guess and assume we’d take him AND us not get the #1 pick 3 years in a row.
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beat me to it
Hue Jackson is a loser.
So he might not declare for the draft if the Browns get the #1 pick because he doesn’t want to play here. Well the joke is on him, because the Browns are going to have the #1 pick next year too, so it doesn’t matter WHEN he comes out of college! Ha! Take that Rosen! Get fitted for your Orange and Brown coffin and like it!
Wasn’t there a qb from like Ole miss a few years back who potentially would have been the number 1 pick but most likely first round…. And he stayed another year and didn’t get drafted.
If you get drafted, you better take it. I don’t think any players wishes they were drafted by a double a football team.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Wasn’t there a qb from like Ole miss a few years back who potentially would have been the number 1 pick but most likely first round…. And he stayed another year and didn’t get drafted.
If you get drafted, you better take it. I don’t think any players wishes they were drafted by a double a football team.it’s happened many times. I can’t remember the dude’s name but know exactly what you are referring to.
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The NFL has done a good job of making sure these guys don’t have much of a choice. They have to declare for the draft without knowing what the Browns plan to do. Really the only leverage they have is to not accept any interviews or visits from the Browns. If we pick them, they can hold out for the season and re-enter the draft. It’s extremely risky. We all know they chance they’d be drafted 1st overall again next season is very low, but even assuming they did they are taking a whole year off of their career. The average NFL career is just over 3 years.
Two things –
I think the guy I was talking about was snead…..
And second, if you have some motivation… Different sport related, but agent that represents all sports, there is a well known agent who talks his players in baseball in not signing contracts for spots they have been drafted.
There was a dude in like late 2000’s who was like the 3rd pick and didn’t want to play for a program and believed he deserved number 1 money and re-entered the draft. He the following year was like picked in the 6th round or something like that – my numbers are estimates – but refused to go at that spot too because of his agent…. The dude ended up playing in the grapefruit league his entire career.
These agents can be so bad for players.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
The Browns still have to be wary though, at least a bit. Elway did it, Bo Jackson did it, Eli did it, there’s nothing stopping Rosen from saying “draft me if you want to, but fuck you I’m not playing for you”. It wouldn’t be unprecedented by any stretch.
Is it risky for the player to do that? Sure it is, but the risk to the team is higher if he stands firm on his threat. Eli did, and MADE the chargers trade him, and specifically to the Giants.
Rosen is 20. He’l e 21 at the draft. He has zero fucks to give about sitting out a year. He’ll have an agent to set up 24/7 coaching and preparation clinics, conditioning and staying in shape with trainers, QB mentors, former players, throwing coaches, film study etc. He’d have it all at a pro level, just without playing. He’d be just as valuable the following year, make no mistake about that.
The Browns will have wasted a #1 overall pick. (Not that that’s new to them, but you get the point lol).
If he’s really serious about it, the Browns need to do their due diligence on his shitty attitude.
Not to mention, the last thing I want here is some pouty bitch.
Rosen thinks so highly of his worth well playing in the big apple behind the g- mans line will get him smoked just as much as our line would.
Sam Darnold, if he declares, would be the much safer play.
Another name I keep hearing casually tossed around- Josh Allen. Don’t be shocked if we do some wheeling and dealing much like the Giants did with Eli, and we end up with him as our Rivers (or Spergeon Wynn).
Personally, I like having options within the first few picks. We may end up with exactly who we want, and more picks to boot.
Sam Darnold, if he declares, would be the much safer play.
Another name I keep hearing casually tossed around- Josh Allen. Don’t be shocked if we do some wheeling and dealing much like the Giants did with Eli, and we end up with him as our Rivers (or Spergeon Wynn).
Personally, I like having options within the first few picks. We may end up with exactly who we want, and more picks to boot.If they take Josh Allen Dorsey needs fired on the spot. He’s another 7th round prospect like Kizer only less accurate.
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I haven’t done any research on these guys but I can tell you that I prefer the TYPE of QB Rosen is to Darnold. Rosen is the big, golden-armed artillery that can hit any player in stride. Darnold is a mobile QB who can make plays with his feet when it all breaks down. That type of QB usually finds success early in his career but struggles after the first few seasons. Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young are examples who bucked the norm and built great careers with their arms and their feet. Still I prefer the Manning/Brady type.
The Browns still have to be wary though, at least a bit. Elway did it, Bo Jackson did it, Eli did it, there’s nothing stopping Rosen from saying “draft me if you want to, but fuck you I’m not playing for you”. It wouldn’t be unprecedented by any stretch.
Is it risky for the player to do that? Sure it is, but the risk to the team is higher if he stands firm on his threat. Eli did, and MADE the chargers trade him, and specifically to the Giants.Not completely accurate. Elway and Bo both had something Rosen does not: leverage. They were both coveted MLB prospects, and threatened to play baseball if drafted by a team they didn’t like. And at the time, the NFL wasn’t the dominant sports league in America that it is today, so the threat was very real. Today, I think it’s safe to say Rosen won’t be playing baseball.
Eli didn’t really “force” his way out of anywhere. The Chargers, in spite of all Eli’s threats, still drafted him. The Giants just traded for him. Were the chargers more likely to trade him because of his crying? Sure. But, the Giants still had to package picks with Rivers to get Eli. If Rivers hadn’t made it to 4? The Chargers would’ve kept Eli. Think about that.
For a player to actually sit out an entire year because the wrong team picked him? That would be very much unprecedented.
If they take Josh Allen Dorsey needs fired on the spot.
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56.2% career completion in college. Here’s his outlook (aka a worse verison of Kizer). He’s a 7th round prospect being viewed as a first solely due to size and athletic ability:
While Allen has a tremendous skill set, there is a lot that he needs to improve upon for the NFL. Even scouting sources who really like Allen acknowledge that he needs a lot of development. Allen needs to improve his fundamentals – for one. His lack thereof leads him to having some accuracy issues on short and routine throws. Allen must improve his footwork and throwing motion for the NFL. He also will need development in his field vision and working through his progressions. Allen needs to get more comfortable and patient in the pocket, too. The redshirt junior often scrambles when he doesn’t have to. Right now as one source suggests below, Allen is more of a thrower than a passer.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018JAllen.php#ixzz52ZgdCf6d
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018JAllen.php#eL2AsXuwMSGefPqW.99Freedom!!!
Relax Soup, I really can’t see him going in round 1 (at least not to us). The only quality I see from him personally is playing for a cold-climate team. That said, every mock from here until April will tie him to the Browns in some way.
I WOULD love to see us do the Eli/Rivers reboot with the Giants though, especially if it involves Darnold. After his comments, I really can’t see Rosen playing here.
This decision isn’t going to be as easy as last year’s #1 overall. Gonna be real interesting to watch it develop.
I’m starting to sour on Rosen. I love his skillset, but his attitude is pure shit. And it’s not just his comments about playing for the Browns. The more I’ve been reading/watching about him the more he just screams Prima Donna. What an arrogant ass this kid is. I could absolutely see a situation where if he comes to the Browns and we inevitably suck, he starts throwing everyone under the bus.
Plus, he has an injury history. He had shoulder surgery last year, he was concussed twice within 4 weeks this year and the latter has taken him over a month to recover from.
I’m not sure how I really feel about a weak-minded, concussion-prone QB.
Allen would not be a step-in-and-play savior. But he has a tremendous ceiling.
If the Browns like him enough, I’d love to see us go in the direction of signing a veteran QB to come in and play in the short term while Allen develops for at least one season, preferably two. You can’t teach 6-5 233 with a huge arm. All the other stuff you can. (Kizer sucks for a number of reasons, but being thrown to the NFL wolves was one of them. I would have been far more impressed about the Kizer pick if we’d have kept McCown and let Kizer sit, watch, and learn. But we didn’t and we’ve killed him). Sign Alex Smith, or a Minny QB (Keenum Bradford and Bridegwater are not all staying), and let them be a strong, veteran leader at the QB position for a bit while the kid learns how to do it. I’d love a polished, NFL ready 24-year-old at QB for the Browns, wouldn’t you?
Also, Soup, I hate to break this to you, but when it comes to QB’s, you almost never know what the hell you’re talking about. You said Wentz sucked, and up until he got hurt he was probably the MVP of the league so…..
Oh, and speaking of Wentz. Josh Allen plays in the exact same collegiate offense that Wentz did. Ya know, under center, reading defenses and making plays as opposed to read-card/shogun/spread/1-read bullshit.
Drafting Josh Allen to come in and play is absurd. Signing a vet to come in and play and drafting Allen to sit for a while would be fantastic.
I don’t need to see a Josh weak-minded Rosen on sundays at 1. We already have a bunch of weak bodied players including the weakest of the bunch Corey Cole an who by the way is 7th round talent behind Zane legless Gonzales.
The real question is how many emails soup has sent Dorsey about weak minded Rosen so far.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Allen would not be a step-in-and-play savior. But he has a tremendous ceiling.
If the Browns like him enough, I’d love to see us go in the direction of signing a veteran QB to come in and play in the short term while Allen develops for at least one season, preferably two. You can’t teach 6-5 233 with a huge arm. All the other stuff you can. (Kizer sucks for a number of reasons, but being thrown to the NFL wolves was one of them. I would have been far more impressed about the Kizer pick if we’d have kept McCown and let Kizer sit, watch, and learn. But we didn’t and we’ve killed him). Sign Alex Smith, or a Minny QB (Keenum Bradford and Bridegwater are not all staying), and let them be a strong, veteran leader at the QB position for a bit while the kid learns how to do it. I’d love a polished, NFL ready 24-year-old at QB for the Browns, wouldn’t you?
Also, Soup, I hate to break this to you, but when it comes to QB’s, you almost never know what the hell you’re talking about. You said Wentz sucked, and up until he got hurt he was probably the MVP of the league so…..
Oh, and speaking of Wentz. Josh Allen plays in the exact same collegiate offense that Wentz did. Ya know, under center, reading defenses and making plays as opposed to read-card/shogun/spread/1-read bullshit.
Drafting Josh Allen to come in and play is absurd. Signing a vet to come in and play and drafting Allen to sit for a while would be fantastic.Right – you can’t teach size. Guess what else you can’t teach? Accuracy. He doesn’t have it. Drafting Allen means we are doing what we’ve done since our return – thinking we are smarter than everyone and can fix people.
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You can teach size. You can change your genetics by changing your diet.
You can – but not to grow that big and it depends on when you start. Also – it changes for future offspring. Education is your friend
Rather than change DNA itself, epigenetic signals can, for example, prompt changes in the number of methyl chemical groups attached to a gene, turning it on or off. A person’s diet is an important source of epigenetic signals, and scientists are now investigating how eating habits modify gene expression in adults and their offspring.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/page/sponsored/nestle/how-diet-can-change-your-dna/
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You can – but not to grow that big and it depends on when you start. Also – it changes for future offspring. Education is your friend
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