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Today’s game was a big one purely because it was one of the last ones we can win bearing other teams losing players to injury. The Jets and Chargers and possibly a game with the Bengals has opportunities, but it is a longshot at this point imo.
With that being said, if / when the Browns go 0-16, should the coaches be relieved of their duties? My opinion is strong on this one. Even the worst of coaches have won a game…Even the best of coaches have had tough seasons….but if you don’t win at least one game, my opinion is every one should be fired. NFL players are so close in talent that when amazing teams play, generally the team who was coached the best wins. Everyone knew this team was going to be bad. Yes, a few people here thought there was a shot we would win a few games. But several experts looked through our schedule, roster, and this is before the injuries and said we cannot win 1.
So what do you think? Fire Hue? Fire all?
Hue Jackson is a loser.
No. That would be a moronic decision of epic proportions. We have a great head coach. We have 17 rookies. We’ve started 3 C and 3 QBs. We’ve been screwed by the officials which flat out lost us 2 of those games. A 3rd was lost because the kicker got a whopping 10 minutes of practice before a game. A position that’s all timing. Since he got his week of practice he hasn’t missed. There’s 3 wins right there
We have a rookie QB who has been STELLAR. Did I mention he isn’t playing behind the #1 defense or the best oline in football like the only 2 people are talking about? He also has yet to play with our #1 pick due to injury.
Firing them would be the worst decision made since thinking of the Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man
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I disagree. Again, talent is so close in the NFL that out of 16 games, you should win at least 1 – whether it was focusing for weeks on an opponent just to out coach them.
You are making excuses. Every team has injuries. This is the team he has put on the field along with his coaching staff. They had a full offseason to prepare these players to be prepared and professional athletes. Besides the guys we are signing on friday evening, there is no reason these guys make poor tackles or have some of the worst coverage I have ever seen. This team is bad.
I do want to have consistency at coaching and even if this team goes 1-15, I think these guys deserve more of an opportunity. But you have to win 1 game. They don’t win 1, they are gone.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
So you’d fire Mike Mccarthy for missing the playoffs because he used 3 QBs. Gee that’s smart.
Excuses? So when a ref takes the ball away from you when you are holding it that’s okay? Throwing a flag on a player for throwing the ball to the ref is okay?
I’m not sure what tackling has to do with a kicker missing 3 FGS because he couldn’t practice timing by virtue of when he was signed. If you don’t get that, then watch a new sport.
We have guy playing QB who wasn’t supposed to play this year. A guy who a bunch of morons said was picked 3 rounds early. His rating after today will be right around 90.
Firing this staff would be beyond the dumbest move in NFL history. The cupboard was bare. We are an expansion team again because we were left with NOTHING.
Think about it. How many 1st round picks are still in t he NFL from this team? How many are any good? We started with nothing.
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I think the a win is a win, and a loss is a loss. You can throw a bunch of reasons why we lost and even if those aren’t under our control (refs, injuries, etc) it’s still a loss. We are not any better than our record.
But I also disagree with @dude. There is a HUGE talent gap between the Browns and the average NFL team. We have crappy players at a lot of positions. We’ve wasted just about every 1st round pick we’ve had in the last decade. We’ve blown more picks in every round than any other team. We are young for a reason; all the players previous regimes have gotten for us haven’t worked out. A couple have had success on other teams but for the most part they are garbage.
I didn’t expect this to be a good season, or even a mediocre season. This is a throwaway season because our players just suck. I don’t think we’ll go 0-16 but if we do I don’t care. We’re not going to get a better coach than Hue and he’s not the one who put this team together. It would be a firing just to placate fans. Hue would be a scapegoat.
@ice. Well stated. My point was that Hue can’t help it if a kicker can’t be signed until Friday and can’t practice due to it. That’s out of his control.
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Soup & Ice I really don’t disagree with what you said at all. But if I hired someone say a sales guy to sell things….I know the market has been tough and things for the company have struggled – he may be one of the best out there available – but if he cannot do the one thing that he needs to do – just get 1 sale, then I have to let him go. Its nothing personal, but as a fan, I need to see that 1 win.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
I get your point of view Dude, but your just so completely and utterly wrong on this.
This staff inherited a mess with Manziel and Gilbert and Gordon. They had Mack wanting so leave, lord knows what happened with Schwartz, Tramon Williams and Kruger had stupid contracts, the list goes on. They’ve had too many injuries to count and mind-bogglingly terrible officiating, it’d be a miracle if they HAD won a game.
Boiling it down to wins and losses THIS year is shortsighted at best. If that were the only measuring stick, the extra picks they’ve acquired would mean nothing. The playing time the rookies and young players have gotten would mean nothing. Carrying over salary cap space would mean nothing. You can’t just write all that stuff off because of the win-loss record!
Also, look at when Chud was here. He won 4 games, largely due to a QB carousel that never stopped spinning because of injury. So, Haslam lets him go after one year. How did that work out for us?? Oh yeah, we had to ask 53 different candidates before somebody took the job, and then the guys that we hired tore down any semblance of a team and left the roster bare. You really want to go through that again?
Soup & Ice I really don’t disagree with what you said at all. But if I hired someone say a sales guy to sell things….I know the market has been tough and things for the company have struggled – he may be one of the best out there available – but if he cannot do the one thing that he needs to do – just get 1 sale, then I have to let him go. Its nothing personal, but as a fan, I need to see that 1 win.
I’m in sales. I get your analogy, but if you are saying – “go out and sell against 31 other teams. We have no infrastructure. Everyone’s new and your product is going up against mainstay product. You get 16 chances to sell 1 thing. Do it.” Odds are going to be stacked against you and guess what? Replacing me won’t cure what ails your company.
Especially when you have “22” products to sell and you remove 5 of your potential best selling items.
In a start up you have to take a lot of pain to get off the ground.
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I would say the sales analogy is close, but to be spot on lets assume the product you’re selling is dog poop. You have a great salesman doing his best to sell that dog poop, but he can’t even get one person to buy. So you fire the salesman.
The salesman wasn’t the problem, the problem is you’ve got him trying to sell dog poop.
A better analagy is hiring a sales manager and expecting that sales manager to sell when the best ones he’s given are out on medical leave and the others he’s inherited have no skill.
He puts together a long term plan to become the #1 sales organization and gets hired for the job.
He weeds out the sales people without skill (Krueger, Mingo, etc.) and hires his own staff.
Others take a new job as they don’t want another new boss. (Benjamin, Gipson, etc.)
He keeps leftovers as he needs a complete team and checks their progress.
His competition hires a minimum of 1 top rep per year.
When he looks back his organization hired 1, sometimes 2, “top reps” per year. However upon research he finds:
Mingo – no longer a sales person but now a sales assistant
Richardson – no longer in sales
Manziel – no longer in sales
Weeden – no longer in sales
Taylor – no longer in sales
Gilbert – no longer a sales person but now a sales assistant
Mack – TOP REP but left the organization when the manager came aboard.
Thomas – TOP VETERAN REP
HAden – Top veteran rep out on medical leave
Shelton – Ccame in green currently being managed to top rep potential
Erving – came in green and can’t be managed (not his pick)
Coleman – potential top rep pick on medical leave.With a past like that it’s no wonder they gutted the front office and hired a new sales manager. Now they need to let the sales manager build his team and instill his plan before being rash about the number of sales.
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No I think the dog poop was more fitting.
The dog poop is the whole team. Now in that poop there may be a completely unchewed, undigested Werther’s Original still in the wrapper. That would be Joe Thomas. Unfortunately despite a delicious candy being in the poop, still no one wants to buy the poop.
Dawg and Soup, we can name players all day long. These players that left were on a shitty team. They did not make enough difference to say we were better or worse.
And Ice, even with poop, we have won in the past. We have been a pooping for a while.
How can the owner of the Browns ask fans to buy season passes when no changes have been made in how the team is managed at 0-16?
How can the owner of the team tell sponsors to give us money because people will watch garbage.
How can they sell suites and tell businesses to bring your clients out, it will be a fun experience.
The difference between 1 win and 0 wins is homeless people sleeping in your stadium. I went to Detroit in their 0-16 streak and I can tell you, homeless people sat around me.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
To add to this discussion, look at the team aside from win/loss record and ask yourself, have Hue and co. Have done a good job?
Let’s see, how have they drafted?
Corey Coleman – good pick
Emmanuel Ogbah – good pick
Carl Nassib – great pick
Shon Coleman – TBD
Cody Kessler – great pick even though many had him rated much lower.The first 5 picks have all been at least good picks, with the exception of Coleman, and it’s not like anybody’s writing him off, he just hasn’t played.
Ok, now ask yourself, have they developed players? The season is young, so not much development time, but already:
Terrelle Pryor – 1st year playing WR in an NFL game, looking like a legit #1 WR.
Danny Shelton: quickly becoming an elite DT.
Isaiah Crowell: led the league in rushing through the first 4 weeks.
Plus, the rookies mentioned above.Ok, now how about personnel moves:
Alex Mack: didn’t want to stay, nothing they could do.
Schwartz: he got paid. One slight negative on them as the RT’s have been horrible.
Gipson: he got paid. Again, slight negative because his replacements have been horrible.
Benjamin: overpaid for a role player
Whitner: done nothing.
Kruger: done nothing.
Mingo: done nothing.
Gilbert: done nothing.And I haven’t even mentioned the additonal picks they’ve acquired. Really, aside from win/loss, there’s not much to complain about. They were dealt a raw hand, but they’ve done very well with it, and the wins will come, just maybe not this year.
Furthrmore, the idea that you need to win X games, even if that X is 1, is what leads coaches and GMs to make bad moves in desperation. It’s what led Mangini to bring in old vets instead of young talent. It led to Brandon Weeden. It leads to overpriced FAs, draft picks getting traded for quick bandages, and more than anything else, constant turnover. THATs what the Browns have been doing. THATs what’s kept the Browns a perennial 4-5 win team.
And Ice, even with poop, we have won in the past. We have been a pooping for a while.
We sold the poop by finding a use for it; lighting it on fire and setting it on someone’s porch.
How can the owner of the Browns ask fans to buy season passes when no changes have been made in how the team is managed at 0-16?
That’s a great question. The only answer I have is that the Browns have been worthless and irrelevant for 2 decades and still people buy tickets. I’ve bought some myself. If we do go 0-16 then for the first time in 20 years ownership can actually guarantee we’ll win more games than last season.
I still don’t think we’re going 0-16.
Bottom line, to change the future you must quit repeating the mistakes of the past.
Firing an office after a first year 0-16 with what they were left grantees 4-12 and a fired staff and repeat. Instead, look at what they’ve acquired and give them 5 full ye at some to actually establish a system before deciding their fates. Quit running on ice. Something I’ve said for years in the “let Sheard walk and dr add to Orchard in round 2.” That accomplished nothing. That’s what we’ve done for 20 years.
Freedom!!!
Bottom line, to change the future you must quit repeating the mistakes of the past.
Firing an office after a first year 0-16 with what they were left grantees 4-12 and a fired staff and repeat. Instead, look at what they’ve acquired and give them 5 full ye at some to actually establish a system before deciding their fates. Quit running on ice. Something I’ve said for years in the “let Sheard walk and dr add to Orchard in round 2.” That accomplished nothing. That’s what we’ve done for 20 years.Says the guy whose first response to anything is “He needs immediately fired”
Only get rid of Hue if Tito Francona agrees to coach the Browns on his days off, and he brings Andrew Miller along to be our QB.
Bottom line, to change the future you must quit repeating the mistakes of the past. Firing an office after a first year 0-16 with what they were left grantees 4-12 and a fired staff and repeat. Instead, look at what they’ve acquired and give them 5 full ye at some to actually establish a system before deciding their fates. Quit running on ice. Something I’ve said for years in the “let Sheard walk and dr add to Orchard in round 2.” That accomplished nothing. That’s what we’ve done for 20 years.
Says the guy whose first response to anything is “He needs immediately fired”
Not Chud, Turner and Horton. Pettine? Yes, he was a TERRIBLE defensive coordinator in his career. Nothing about him was head coach material.
Hue? Totally different breed
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