Stefanski considering calling plays

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  • #17978
    soup
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    Says he’ll wait and see who the OC is and decide from there. Freddie Jr move. We need an actual veteran play caller. If he calls the plays while being a rookie HC it’s disaster time again. Oh and @ice read the article I think it’s the 4th one that mentions last year was mainly Kubiak scheme.

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/kevin-stefanski-on-playcalling-it-doesnt-have-to-be-me-im-all-about-whats-best-for-the-browns.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

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    #17982
    Dawg E. Dawg
    Participant

    You could have just as easily said “Stefanski considering not calling plays” and it would have been just as true.

    Right now, it’s just CYA. He can’t say “I’m not calling plays” and then his first second and third choice as OC turn the job down, and he ends up hiring a first time OC who’s never called plays before and doesn’t feel comfortable in that role. And the reverse of that statement is also true.

    File this under “react when there’s something to react to.”

    #17984
    Ice
    Keymaster

    Stefanski called all the plays for the Vikings this year.

    If you listened to his presser he talked a lot about coaching without ego. Doing what’s best for the team. It sounds like once his staff is assembled he’ll decide who is the best at it and they will do it.

    #17986
    soup
    Participant

    Proper answer “my job is to pick the right people to help guide this team. My OC, DC and St coaches will be calling plays. As a head coach I need to make sure all parts are running as smooth as possible so I need to be attentive to all sides of the ball.”

    Analytics shows:

    Hue Jackson called his own plays and failed

    Pat Shurmur called his own and failed

    Freddie Kitchens called his own and failed.

    Depodesta failed again

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    #17989
    Ice
    Keymaster

    Mike Pettine did not call his own plays and failed.

    Rob Chudzinski did not call his own plays and failed.

    Eric Mangini did not call his own plays and failed.

    Romeo Crennel did not call his own plays and failed.

    Souptistics again.

    #17990
    soup
    Participant

    Mike Pettine did not call his own plays and failed.
    Rob Chudzinski did not call his own plays and failed.
    Eric Mangini did not call his own plays and failed.
    Romeo Crennel did not call his own plays and failed.
    Souptistics again.

    1 of those guys is offense. That guy had QB injury after injury that year.

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    #17992
    Dawg E. Dawg
    Participant

    Only soup could make 4 vague statements and conclusion based on those statements, with no numbers involved anywhere, at anytime, and call it analytics.

    #17995
    Shooter
    Moderator

    I really don’t have a problem with a head coach calling plays. Never have.

    I’ve never really seen the big deal in doing it. So what?

    I only have a problem when it sucks. If you Mike McCarthy your way to a Lobardi trophy, who gives a shit? I know I don’t.

    #17996
    soup
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    I really don’t have a problem with a head coach calling plays. Never have.
    I’ve never really seen the big deal in doing it. So what?
    I only have a problem when it sucks. If you Mike McCarthy your way to a Lobardi trophy, who gives a shit? I know I don’t.

    McCarthy has Favre his first two years while Rodgers learned on the bench. He was an OC for 5 years prior to being a HC.

    Packers 2002 – 12-4
    Packers 2003 – 10-6
    Packers 2004 – 10-6
    Packers 2005 – 4-12 (all RB got injured along with top 2 WR)
    Enter Mike McCarthy

    McCarthy took over a team with an established HOF QB who stayed for 2 more years.

    Stefanski is coming into

    1-15
    0-16
    7-8-1
    6-10

    3rd year QB on his 4th OC and 4th HC

    This team had zero structure and planning of any kind from all the reports.

    if he calls plays the season is long over. His sole job needs to be being a fucking head coach. Correct the meetings issue, correct the lack of planning, be a leader and not a friend.

    Calling plays takes away from all that needs fixed. That is why, if he calls plays (while yet to ever develop his own offense as an OC) it will be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions

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    #17997
    Ice
    Keymaster

    while yet to ever develop his own offense as an OC

    Quoted for stupidity.

    The irony is that if he DOES call plays, he will be Soup’s favorite playcaller in the past 2 decades. No crazy formations, no weird packages. Every play looks the same at the line. Tons of playaction and heavy dose of running. Also watch for us to get a LEGIT fullback. Not some converted H-back but a real honest to goodness bloody nose mauler of a fullback. Regardless of whether Stefanski calls plays or not, that’s the offense we’re looking at.

    #17999
    soup
    Participant

    while yet to ever develop his own offense as an OC

    Quoted for stupidity.
    The irony is that if he DOES call plays, he will be Soup’s favorite playcaller in the past 2 decades. No crazy formations, no weird packages. Every play looks the same at the line. Tons of playaction and heavy dose of running. Also watch for us to get a LEGIT fullback. Not some converted H-back but a real honest to goodness bloody nose mauler of a fullback. Regardless of whether Stefanski calls plays or not, that’s the offense we’re looking at.

    I gave you 4 articles all stating Kubiaks hand in play development.

    The last 3 years the head coaches didn’t coach. They called plays and formed a mess. We need to straighten this thing out the right way for once. The head coach must solely be a head coach

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    #18000
    Ice
    Keymaster

    You didn’t link any articles about Childress’ hand in ‘developing’ Stefanski’s offense. Or DeFelipo’s hand. Why not? Or perhaps more importantly who cares? Why do I care which coaches helped inspire the offense he’s going to bring to Cleveland. All I care is that it works.

    #18001
    soup
    Participant

    You didn’t link any articles about Childress’ hand in ‘developing’ Stefanski’s offense. Or DeFelipo’s hand. Why not? Or perhaps more importantly who cares? Why do I care which coaches helped inspire the offense he’s going to bring to Cleveland. All I care is that it works.

    That you are guessing he’s going to bring in

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    #18002
    Ice
    Keymaster

    I don’t think he’s going to be bringing in any of those guys. I’m betting on him snagging one of the 2 “OC’s” from the 49ers. LaFleur or McDaniel.

    #18006
    Shooter
    Moderator

    Bill Parcells once had a famous quote about head coaches being allowed to pick players. He said “If you’re going to make me cook dinner, shouldn’t I be allowed to pick the groceries?”

    In a similar way, f you’re an OC hired as head coach specifically because of the offense you ran as an OC,um, why would anyone have a problem with him calling the plays? I honestly do NOT understand the issue? I don’t understand why there is one. You’re literally taking the ONE thing the guy is great at, and the ENTIRE reason why you even hired him in the first place and saying “you’re great at that. Now we want you to stop doing it. Hire someone else to do it and you go do other shit”.

    Sorry but that makes no fucking sense to me. At all. If you’re gonna hire a guy because yo love the way he runs his offense, then let him run his fucking offense. At the very least in the beginning anyway. If he wants to hire another coach and then slowly TEACH them how to do what he does and THEN turn it over to someone else hey, that’s fine. But in the meantime……why wouldn’t you want him calling plays?

    Further, what’s the harm? Does anyone think that by somehow calling plays on offense the he’s not paying attention to something? What would he not be paying attention to? The game? He’s calling it!

    Help me understand why this is bad. Explain it to me like I’m an idiot or something. Talk slow. Use small words. Draw a couple fucking pictures in crayon.

    #18008
    soup
    Participant

    You’re not hiring because he was good at offense and for his offense. Jim Harbaugh was a ST coach then HC.

    You’re hiring him because he shows the ability to lead and you want that leadership extended to the team.

    You’re good at being a cameraman. We now want you to be the director. Are you still going to be holding a camera or will you be directing the other cameras/angles for the game your directing the crew at? Been awhile, hopefully I got the lingo right to make my point.

    It’s an extra thing to concentrate on that will takeaway focus from the overall situation.

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    #18009
    Ice
    Keymaster

    Stefanski stated in his presser that whoever on the staff is the best at calling plays will call the plays. If it’s him, then so be it. If it is someone else, then so be it. Soup reads into that “STEFANSKI WILL BE CALLING THE PLAYS AND THAT SUCKS!!!”

    Arguing over Stefanski calling plays is premature anyway. It’s like arguing who is at fault over a car accident that hasn’t happened yet (and may never happen).

    #18010
    Ice
    Keymaster

    Also we are definitely hiring him for his offense.

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