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The Case for Kizer
Ready for a debate? I’m going to make the case that Kizer has shown tremendous improvement this year, enough to at least make us question using the 1st overall pick on a QB.
- At the beginning of the season the biggest frustration was watching Kizer look around forever until the defense finally sacked him. He was well over 3 seconds to pass. Now that’s not a problem. He’s at 2.5 seconds to get the ball out which is right where we want him. Now when he gets sacked it’s because of a breakdown in protection rather than inaction by the QB.
- Interceptions- Here we’ve seen tremendous improvement. In his first 4 games he threw 8 interceptions, leading to his benching. In the last 4 games he’s only thrown 3 INTs, One of those was in garbage time and in two of his last four games he’s not thrown a pick.
- Resilience – In 11 games he’s faced as much adversity as any rookie QB ever. He’s been benched for bad play, put on a QB rotation, and lost 11 games straight. He is still fighting, perhaps even harder. Coming off his worst game of the year against the surging Jags defense he had perhaps his best game of the year against Cincy. Weaker willed QB’s would have been crushed by now. He’s shown he can handle adversity.
- He is throwing to men who cannot catch. Ricardo Louis has somehow been a starting WR for us. In our last 3 games he has been targeted by 12 passes. He’s caught 3 passes for 30 yards total in November. We’ve seen our WR’s drop passes they should easily hold onto all season. We saw Coleman drop an amazing pass that would have been a TD and would have changed the game last week against Cincy. I wonder what he can do with receivers who could actually catch. Perhaps we’ll find out now that we’ll be putting an actual NFL quality receiver on the field.
- Goff, Roethlisberger, both Manning’s, etc all struggled during their first year despite being surrounded by much more talent than Kizer. After 11 games Troy Aikman was 0-11, had only 159 yards/game, and had thrown 18 INTs to only 9TD’s. That’s with future hall of famers surrounding him. Elway, Fouts, McNabb, Cunningham, Bradshaw, Nameth all struggled mightily in their first season.
- He’s EARNING his leadership role. He’s a 21 year old kid. Imagine what your press conferences would look like when you were 21. Kizer sounds more like Tom Brady than someone who just turned old enough to drink. He’s taking his lumps just like everyone else on this team, but he’s leading them off the field with his work ethic and on the field. He was not given the starting role, he earned it. When it was taken away instead of giving up he earned it back.
Kizer has 5 more games to convince the Browns that we can use that 1st overall pick we’re destined for to grab something other than a QB. If he has more games like the Detroit and Cincy games he’s going to make a compelling argument.
I had this same thought after the game on Sunday. It’s at least an argument now, which wasn’t the case earlier in the season. A lot will depend on how he does in the next 5 games, and how Rosen looks as well. In the very least, I can say I am not demanding the first pick be a qb as of today.
enough to at least make us question using the 1st overall pick on a QB.
Shot of going 5-0 in the remaining games with 65% completion and a TD to INT ratio of at least 3 to 1, nothing can stop us from taking a QB at #1. Nothing.
If he’s good enough to be a franchise QB then he can beat out the guy we draft #1 overall next year. But he sucks, so he won’t.
End of argument lol.
Did he play well enough to have won that last game in Cinci? That loss doesn’t rest on his shoulders. I’m not saying he needs to go 5-0 for the rest of the year because even though he’s the QB he’s still only 1 person on a really shitty team.
Did he play well enough to have won that last game in Cinci?
Below 60% completion percentage 0TD’s and an 86.5 rating in a loss.
No. He dd not.
Below 60% completion percentage 0TD’s and an 86.5 rating in a loss.
No. He dd not.Soup, is that you? It’s almost like you didn’t watch the game and just decided based on the stat line. His throws were on point all day. That pass to Coleman which was absolutely perfect puts him over 300 yards and gives him another TD. I guess you don’t count his rushing TD for some reason.
Kizer is in NO way the reason we lost. He played well enough to win.Playing well enough to win, but not winning. It’s our MO.
No hesitation no questions, you take the QB #1 overall. It’s that simple.
Aikman/ Walsh
RG3/Cousins
He played well against Detroit, sucked donkey goats against Jax. Played well against Cincy. Inconsistent was his college resume. It’s who he is. Take the QB. Quit hoping low quality turns out.
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That’s the #. 1.
The number of QBs we’ve drafted in the top 10 since 1999.
Enough. Take the QB with the 1st pick. Quit pretending you (meaning Browns FO) are smarter than everyone else.
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@Soup So what if we draft a guy 1st overall and he has a season just like Kizer has had. Does that guy deserve a 2nd season or should we draft another QB in the first round?
@soup So what if we draft a guy 1st overall and he has a season just like Kizer has had. Does that guy deserve a 2nd season or should we draft another QB in the first round?
Have to watch him and see (does he really look the same). Kizers past has matched his present. Inconsistent.
Devil’s advocate. What if we draft the #1 guy and we go to the playoffs?
Kizer couldn’t get two plays off in 20 seconds last week. There are so many red flags. He’s a 2nd round reach.
Again, once in 19 years have we selected a QB in the top 10. How many top 10 picks have we had?
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I’ll answer your question @soup, but you didn’t answer mine.
If we draft a QB 1st over all and we go to the playoffs I’ll be freaking thrilled, along with every other Browns fan. I’m not sure what the point of your question is. Enlighten me.
Yes. Let’s assume we draft a guy 1st overall and he looks exactly like Kizer did this year. Should we then draft another QB in the first round in 2019?
I’ll answer your question @soup, but you didn’t answer mine.
If we draft a QB 1st over all and we go to the playoffs I’ll be freaking thrilled, along with every other Browns fan. I’m not sure what the point of your question is. Enlighten me.
Yes. Let’s assume we draft a guy 1st overall and he looks exactly like Kizer did this year. Should we then draft another QB in the first round in 2019?Sorry, I get what you are asking now. If that exact means 0-16 (pretend we end that way this year) then yes. Repeat until it’s right
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I think it comes down to this: When a rookie QB is struggling, you can still see if he does or doesn’t have what it’s going to take. Sure, Peyton Manning sucked his first year, went 3-13, and led the league in INT’s. But while he was doing it, he was making almost just as many plays that made you go “oh wow, this dude has it”. When Big Ben was a rookie, the Steelers barely let him do anything with the football, but on the few occasions when they did, he either fucked up, or made you go “oh wow, this dude has it”. Matthew Stafford threw twice as many picks as TD’s his rookie year and went 2-8, but he also made you say “yeah he’s a franchise QB”.
While Kizer is sucking, making mistakes, and leading us to a shit record, he’s not simultaneously doing anything that makes me say “oh wow, this dude has it” or “oh yeah, he’s a franchise QB”.
So to answer your question, if we take a QB 1st overall next year and he has the same type of season as Kizer had, then no, he shouldn’t get a 2nd season and yes we should draft another 1st round QB. I’m tired of this “well let’s wait and see a minute here if……….” approach. Fuck that it never works. Brandon Weeden wasn’t getting any better after that first game. Johnny Manziel was never going to be any better. All the Christian Ponders and Blaine Gabberts and Geno Smiths of the world aren’t going to get any better. Ever. They’re either good, or they’re not. They’re never going to “become” good.
Kizer is not good.
He’s never going to “become” good.
He’s just going to stay Deshone Kizer.
Draft a QB #1 overall. Don’t even hesitate.
Interesting comparisons Shooter. I’ve got another for you.
Marvin Harrison, Hines Ward, Calvin Johnson, and Ricardo Louis. Which one doesn’t belong??
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