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It’s going to be hard watching this guy all year. He’s so boring. I don’t even see the point of him dropping back to pass, he’s just never going to throw it unless it’s for a safe, 3-yard gain.
He’s paint drying.
He’s a lame PBS special.
He’s a walking sleeping pill.
He’s detention in school.
He’s an independent romantic comedy.
He’s a traffic cop during rush hour.
He’s the guy in front of you in line at the gas station buying $2 in gas, a pack of cigarettes and 40oz, all with change.
He’s a cold cheese pizza.
He’s a volunteer theaters performance of Othello.
Taylor is too conservative. 3rd and 13 you can expect a safe 5-yard completion.
He’s a rinse and repeat of all the other garbage QB’s the Browns have had.
Only difference is that he actually completes the meaningless 5-yard pass.Taylor is too conservative. 3rd and 13 you can expect a safe 5-yard completion.
He’s a rinse and repeat of all the other garbage QB’s the Browns have had.
Only difference is that he actually completes the meaningless 5-yard pass.Again. The kicker missed 8 points. Think about that for a moment. When was the last time we scored 26 in a game?
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Second week in a row that Taylor came alive in the 4th quarter. I can respect it, but I thought the goal here was consistency.
Second week in a row that Taylor came alive in the 4th quarter.
2nd week in a row he threw a backbreaking INT in the fourth quarter.
I’m not about to bench a guy that would have us at 2-0 if we could kick a field goal. He hasn’t been electric, but he’s been a gritty, solid veteran.
Hes missed some throws, but that’s to be expected when a guy is in a new offense, with new teammates, and in his second game.
In case anyone noticed Our defense held up fine, we had our chances and yet still came up short yet a QB is judged like a coach on wins and losses. We all know Baker is the future and at some point this season the rookie will take over and I say the sooner the better.
In case anyone noticed Our defense held up fine, we had our chances and yet still came up short yet a QB is judged like a coach on wins and losses. We all know Baker is the future and at some point this season the rookie will take over and I say the sooner the better.
Wrong way to judge. Kicker missed 3 FG and 2 XPs. That’s 11 points in 2 games. With a real kicker we are 2-0 and we score 24 and 26 points in our first 2 games
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Wrong way to judge. Kicker missed 3 FG and 2 XPs. That’s 11 points in 2 games.
Yeah, we get it. But this isn’t about the kicker. Even if you say it one more time it still won’t be about him.
Hes missed some throws
I’m not concerned about the missed throws really, I’m bored with all the throws he doesn’t even try to make. The TD pass to Callaway was the 1st throw this year that I felt was a great pass. Which makes his decision-making even more perplexing because clearly, he CAN make the throws, and he just chooses not to. I don’t get that. It has to be a perfect, safe, wide-open throw to absolutely the right receiver……….or he’s running or taking a sack. You just can’t play that conservative in the NFL. His arm is live, his accuracy is good, and he knows what’s going on. For the life of me I don’t get why he doesn’t trust himself or his instincts. Ball dude, make the throw. He’s dumping off or tossing it over the middle when guys on the edges/sidelines are wide, wide open. He won’t even look at them.
He’s gotta start taking some chances. I’m fine if he misses on some or even throws a pick or two, but he’s got to be more aggressive. You want to know how to not lose a game because of your kicker? Score more Touchdowns. We scored 2. If we scored 4 we would have won, and I don’t give a shit how many kicks the kicker would have missed.
22 of 30 (73%) for 246 yards is a vast improvement over what we’ve seen over most of the past decade, yet you guys are all pissed.
And I agree with you 100%. What we had in the last decade hasn’t been close to good enough. Taylor is closer to good, but not close enough either. If we want to win, we need a guy who is a threat to score.
22 of 30 (73%) for 246 yards is a vast improvement over what we’ve seen over most of the past decade, yet you guys are all pissed.
And that’s what I expected. I’m in the majority, but I’m not pissed at all. I’m still very much behind Taylor.
It comes down to what did you expect from Taylor. If you expected Aaron Rodgers, than you’re disappointed, but also, you’re delusional.
Here’s what I expected: an veteran QB that will keep us in games and give us a good chance to win, while keep Baker on the bench so he can learn. Patrick Mahomes said it yesterday: if he would’ve played last year, he would’ve just been trying to make plays and not reading the defense and thinking deeply. That’s what Baker gains by sittting on the bench.
Yes, Taylor is not the flashiest QB. But that’s not what he was brought in to be.
But is he giving us a chance to win?
Throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 9 isn’t giving us a chance. Throwing crippling INT’s in the 4th quarter in back to back weeks isn’t giving us a chance. Running an offense that is now averaging less than 20 points a game isn’t really giving us a chance.
Scoring gives us a chance to win. Throwing for TD’s and leading the offense on sustained, scoring drives gives us a chance. Putting the ball in the endzone gives us a chance. Utilizing your weapons and making positive, chunk plays gives us a chance.
Again my frustration doesn’t come from the fact that he’s can’t do it. It comes from the fact that we know he CAN but for whatever reason consistently chooses NOT TO. That Callaway TD was money. He can rip it down the sidelines. He can make the back shoulder throws. He can do it all, we’ve all seen it. He just doesn’t. And he doesn’t on purpose.
That’s not giving us a chance to win, that’s doing everything he can to not lose. Which leads us to losing.
I want to see this fucker one time confidently march this team down the field and score a Touchdown while making the defense look completely powerless to stop us. That’s giving us a chance to win. This “oh man I’m not gonna do anything stupid here” approach is bullshit and sissified. Enough already.
Last week the 4th quarter int wasn’t “crippling.” He was going to take the lead. We still had chances to win the game.
You seem to be ignoring that we have scored points, and if we were making field goals, we would be 2-0.
After his INT yesterday, you may not have noticed, but Tyrod actually made the tackle and delivered a pretty good whollop doing it. Then, he came back and threw what should have been a go ahead TD. Then, when the defense failed, he put them in position to kick a tying field goal, and he had less than a minute to work with.
Do I want to see more from him during the first part of the game? Absolutely. But you can’t act like the 4th quarter doesn’t exist when you’re evaluating his play.
Last week the 4th quarter int wasn’t “crippling.”
I disagree. If we go down and score on a TD on that drive, we win the game.
You seem to be ignoring that we have scored points, and if we were making field goals, we would be 2-0.
I’m not ignoring anything. I’m noticing, that we’re not scoring more than 20 in a game so far. And again, I don’t care about the kicker. These are excuses made by bad teams that lose. If we scored 2 more Touchdowns yesterday guess what, Gonzalez could have missed every kick he tried and we still would have won by 2 scores.
This is how bad teams stay bad and how good teams find ways to win. Period.
After his INT yesterday, you may not have noticed, but Tyrod actually made the tackle and delivered a pretty good whollop doing it.
Lmao so the fuck what? Does he get an atta boy for that or something? Here’s a thought, throw a touchdown and put the game away instead of an INT. That would get an atta boy from me, not a good tackle on an interception.
Do I want to see more from him during the first part of the game? Absolutely.
Me too.
But you can’t act like the 4th quarter doesn’t exist when you’re evaluating his play.
I’m not at all. In fact I’m pointing out what I see as the problem with him, and specifically the 4th quarter.
What I’d like to see from Tyrod is about 270 yards passing, completions over 60%, and at least twice as many TD’s as turnovers. Anything over those stats is unexpected and totally awesome.
@shooter the kicker has missed 11 points of FG and XP in two games. We are averaging 19.5 PPG even with that. We should be at 25.
You’re praising the defense yet in game 1 after we tie it they let up a two play TD drive. Yesterday they let up a 42 yard play middle of the field in a tie game with a minute left. They don’t do either of those and we win
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@shooter the kicker has
Soup I don’t give a fuck abut the kicker, and am not talking about him in this thread.
Please, do what you need to do to understand that.
@shooter the kicker has
Soup I don’t give a fuck abut the kicker, and am not talking about him in this thread.
Please, do what you need to do to understand that.Then you are forbidden from talking about PPG in this thread. Any mention of point totals is invalid
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Then you are forbidden from talking about PPG in this thread.
No.
I’m free to discuss anything I like when making points in relation to the play of the quarterback.
Also, read this. Twice. Every part.
I’m noticing, that we’re not scoring more than 20 in a game so far. And again, I don’t care about the kicker. These are excuses made by bad teams that lose. If we scored 2 more Touchdowns yesterday guess what, Gonzalez could have missed every kick he tried and we still would have won by 2 scores.
You’re praising the defense
Didn’t mention the defense once here. I’m talking about the play of the QB. That’s why I started a QB thread. I can talk about the defense i the other threads, but I want to discuss the lackadaisical, vanilla play of our Eeyore impersonator playing QB.
Not the kicker. Not the defense. Not Todd Haley. Not Hue. Not the O-line and not the WR’s. Not the running game. The QB.
Understand?
Add 11 points which means we score 25 a game. That’s what the kicker missed in 2 games.
See how that works?
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From what I’ve seen from him thus far, dude is a downright yawn fest until the 4th quarter. He plays that game manager shit up until he feels the pressure of a loss, and THEN he’ll start to take chances. His pocket awareness is subpar though, which is what led to the pick…he got pressured, made a nice sidestep, but took his eyes away from downfield, and when he looks back up, sees Njoku beating the LB…but misses the safety looking at his eyes.
That said, he made a couple of nice passes when he wasn’t pressured. Again, the only time he took any chances was in the 4th.
If we could see him play like that throughout the game, we would see more touchdowns. Probably more picks too, but I think the pros would outweigh the cons.
This whole “play not to lose” shit is old. We need to play like we want to win.
So Tyrod Taylor having us in position to be averaging 25 PPG is bad is what it boils down to. For the record, we averaged less than 15 last year.
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His pocket awareness is subpar though, which is what led to the pick
I’ll add to that… whenever he feels pressure he backs up instead of moving forward in the pocket. It is amazingly frustrating to watch. He instinctively wants to back up to give him room to run instead of climbing the pocket and trusting his O-line. I would put money that on 75% of the plays he was pressured he had stepped backwards INTO THE PRESSURE instead of taking a couple steps forward.
I shared my expectations for him (60%+, twice as many TD’s as turnovers, 270+yards). What are all your expectations? Just want to see if we’re all on the same page.
For those of you having thoughts of wanting to see Baker play, Joe Thomas put this on Twitter and said to read it
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Soup…the point is the QB PLAY, not the QB/team stat lines. And not once did anyone mention Mayfield (except in regards to keeping him on the bench). Not the missed kicks, but the missed opportunities. The type of QB he is as opposed to where we want him to be. What he is, not what we had.
I get it…he does what he can to keep us in games. And compared to what we had in prior years, it’s well above par. But with the level of talent in the rest of his offense, he’s preferring to dink and dunk for 3 quarters, and then opens himself to risk when he feels he has to. And when he’s pressured in those moments, he becomes predictable, which leads to turnovers.
And for the record, I want Baker to stay right where he is. I can handle Taylor’s play, as long as it leads to wins…I’ll take that over the QB play leading to losses.
That’s what the kicker missed in 2 games.
See how that works?
For the fucking love of God I’m not talking about the goddamn kicker bro. Do you fucking see how THAT works? I’m talking about the play of the fucking QB and how it relates to him putting points on the board. Are you dense? Jesus Christ man.
I’ll add to that… whenever he feels pressure he backs up instead of moving forward in the pocket. It is amazingly frustrating to watch.
Spot on observation.
Here’s also a fantastic write-up about the most frustrating part of Tyrod’s game.
“The problem is, a highly schemed passing game requires anticipation throws from the quarterback. The idea is you have diverse formations that force the defense into predictable coverages. From there, you run route combinations that exploit those looks. The timing can be very sensitive, which is why a QB must anticipate those routes opening before they fully do. And since clean dropbacks are uncommon in pro football, a QB also must be able to view these routes while moving within the pocket.
Not only is Taylor an unnatural pocket mover, he’s also a “see it” passer. He won’t uncork a ball unless he’s confirmed that his target is open. But by this time, that target may no longer be open. Taylor, to his credit, is a responsible decision-maker, and he trusts his dynamic legs. So when his once-open targets don’t stay open, he usually runs, which is better than rifling the ball into coverage. Still, we’re talking about missed opportunities and an offense being executed improperly. A mobile, “see it” QB like Taylor is better suited for the type of isolated spread formations that the Browns ran last year. (Or that the Bills, not coincidentally, often ran when Taylor was their QB.)“
What are all your expectations?
To lead our offense on meaningful drives and score touchdowns.
I don’t care about his stats and I don’t care about what the fuck the kicker does. I want production from him in the form of Touchdowns and touchdown drives, preferably 3-4 per game.
So, with FG added in and the XP actually made you want 30+ PPG.
No team in the NFL last year averaged 30+ PPG.
The biggest thing people are missing is this is a new offense and overall the team has 31 new players.
We all wanted Alex Smith as QB. We got Taylor and he went to the Redskins. A new team. Washington is averaging 16.5 PPG and we are averaging 19.5 PPG.
We need a few more games before things can begin to full on click. Temper your expectations. New offense, new team, 2 new bookends on the line.
If you weren’t paying attention Haley pulled back the offense. At least 3?times they ran the same 8 yard triple hook route plays. Taylor completed it to the middle guy 3 times.
Repetition and learning before more can be slowly add back in
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So, with FG added in and the XP actually made you want 30+ PPG. No team in the NFL last year averaged 30+ PPG.
I’m not going to say this again because I am absolutely sick of making the same point repeatedly, so pay the fuck attention this final time or I’m just going to put you on ignore until you decide to stop being a stubborn retard.
I’m not talking………about the goddamn kicker……in this thread. I’m no talking about our kicking game. It has no bearing on any point I’m trying to make. I’m talking about the production of the QB. Nothing other than that. Just that. Only that. Can you possibly find a fucking way to understand that? Is it in any way possible?
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Also, I didn’t say I wanted us to average over 30 points a game, I said I wanted us to score 3 -4 touchdowns per game. It’s really really really fucking important for you to not only read what I write, but to also comprehend and fully understand it. Right now, you do not. At all.
Stop talking, about the fucking kicker.
Shooter, the offense scored 3 TDS week one, in a shitstorm. 2 TDS week 2. Sooooo, are you calling Tyrod trash because he didn’t score 1 more TD in week 2? If so, that’s pretty weak.
Shooter, the offense scored 3 TDS week one, in a shitstorm. 2 TDS week 2. Sooooo, are you calling Tyrod trash because he didn’t score 1 more TD in week 2? If so, that’s pretty weak.
Bingo. Not only that be we scored 18 against the Saints. He doesn’t care about the kicker. 3 TDS = 18 points. He wants 18-24 PPG. We are at 19.5 so we are EXACTLY where @shooter wants to be because kickers don’t matter to him
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So, with FG added in and the XP actually made you want 30+ PPG. No team in the NFL last year averaged 30+ PPG.
I’m not going to say this again because I am absolutely sick of making the same point repeatedly, so pay the fuck attention this final time or I’m just going to put you on ignore until you decide to stop being a stubborn retard.
I’m not talking………about the goddamn kicker……in this thread. I’m no talking about our kicking game. It has no bearing on any point I’m trying to make. I’m talking about the production of the QB. Nothing other than that. Just that. Only that. Can you possibly find a fucking way to understand that? Is it in any way possible?
For
The Love
Of God.
Also, I didn’t say I wanted us to average over 30 points a game, I said I wanted us to score 3 -4 touchdowns per game. It’s really really really fucking important for you to not only read what I write, but to also comprehend and fully understand it. Right now, you do not. At all.
Stop talking, about the fucking kicker.Okay. No kicker. You want 18-24 PPG. That’s what 3 to 4TDs per game gets you. We are averaging 19.5 PPG. So why are you complaining? Taylor hits your specs dead on of 18-24 PPG. Kicker don’t matter to you so you cannot count the XP
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He doesn’t care about the kicker. 3 TDS = 18 points. He wants 18-24 PPG. We are at 19.5 so we are EXACTLY where @shooter wants to be because kickers don’t matter to him
Your logic is a flawed castle of straws lmao.
Shooter, the offense scored 3 TDS week one, in a shitstorm. 2 TDS week 2. Sooooo, are you calling Tyrod trash because he didn’t score 1 more TD in week 2?
I said I’d like to see the offense score 3-4 touchdowns a game. Now sure, there’s gonna be those days where you face a stout defense and you’re gonna be held to 10 points. I get that. But Pitts defense is atrocious. A 1st year QB Mahomes just shredded them for 6 TD’s. Their secondary is absolutely putrid. We should have wrecked them too.
3-4 TD’s per game would be 6-8 in two games. In the 1st 2 we scored 5. If we’d scored 6 or 7, ya know what, we would have won both of them. We would have flat out won them both.
Taylor is not that kind of a QB though. Very reserved, very timid, and very conservative. He can’t throw a guy open. He doesn’t trust his abilities. That’s not going to help us get anywhere. That’s going to get us 2 TD’s a game, and hope that we can win games 17-10. It puts us in a bad position. It put us in a position to fail, not succeed.
There are offenses all over this league that know that they can hang 34 points on the board whenever they want. Get into the end zone 4 or 5 times a game. Not always, sure, but often. We’re not one of those offenses. We s=could be, we should be, but we’re not.
That’s my point.
Your point is flawed in that it ignores the fact the offense and 31 players are new.
Mahomes is illogical comparison. First year QB? Yes. 2nd year in the same offense so he understands all the concepts and has them down? Yes. That’s why it’s flawed.
QB play does need to be better, as does line play and special teams play.
Defense needs to be better too. Back breaking plays are allowing a a 70 yard reception one play after being tied and a 42 yard reception with 1 minute left in a tied game.
31 new players is a part of that.
Again:
Alex Smith 16.5 PPG
Tyrod Taylor 19.5 PPGVets in new offenses on non playoff teams from the previous year
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As usual Soup, you’re intent is to keep this thread veering off the rails and into a completely different argument.
I don’t give a shit if EVERY player on the offense was new, it has nothing to do with the abilities of the QB, which is what I’m discussing. I’m talking about Tyrod Taylor, hi skilset, what he can do on the field, what we should expect out of him and his performances and how all of it will relate to our offensive production. Why you keep trying to introduce new angles and new discussions is beyond me. If you want to talk about the impact of 31 new players joining the offense and how that affects it, sure we can do that. I’ll gladly have that conversation, but that’s not what I’m talking about here. Adding 31 new players in no way flaws the logic that I have when discussing Tyrod Taylors abilities. In fact, it has no impact on it at all. It’s an irrelevant point dude.
Mahomes is illogical comparison.
The fuck it is. He just shredded the Steelers for 6 TD’s because their defense blows. That’s a 1st year guy playing. (Yes, a 1st…….year guy. That was his 3rd NFL game, I ddn’t give a shit about his redshirt year, I’m talking about now). Tyrod Taylor could have, and should have easily done the same. He didn’t. Because he’s a vanilla cupcake.
QB play does need to be better
You could have spared everyone on the forum a ton of time and just led off with this one, but I’m glad to see you finally got to where I’ve been leading you. It was only the entire point of the thread, but you’re pretty slow so I understand.
Then you don’t get football if you think a year in an offense makes a difference.
Alex Smith – 16.5 PPG
Tyrod Taylor – 19.5 PPGSo Tyrod didn’t throw 6 TDS in hurricane weather but because a guy in his 2nd year of the same offense has 10 on the year on a playoff team.
You are starting to show a severe lack of understanding about the Mental aspect of the game.
There’s a major difference and curve in a new offensive system. Too many of our guys are thinking still. Tyreek Hill doesn’t have to think. Calloway and Landry do. Give it time
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Then you don’t get football if you think a year in an offense makes a difference.
My god dude that’s not the point!!!!!!! I’m not debating with you whether or not a year on the bench makes a QB better when he comes into the league. Do you not understand that? How does whether or not a QB sitting for a year when he comes into the league have anything to do with what Tyrod Taylors skillset is?
Please, explain it to me. Answer the above question. Lead me to it, I give you the floor.
Explain it.
Then you don’t get football if you think a year in an offense makes a difference.
My god dude that’s not the point!!!!!!! I’m not debating with you whether or not a year on the bench makes a QB better when he comes into the league. Do you not understand that? How does whether or not a QB sitting for a year when he comes into the league have anything to do with what Tyrod Taylors skillset is?
Please, explain it to me. Answer the above question. Lead me to it, I give you the floor.
Explain it.You stated he should be leading us to 3-4 TDS per game ALREADY. Look at the Bills with him and look at them now.
You also keep avoiding the Alex Smith comparison because it’s evidence to back my argument.
Taylor’s job is to keep the ball away from the opposition. In two games we were in position to win both games. That’s a fact.
Two weeks ago we had 28 mental errors on offense. It was too much to process this early in the season for new faces. TODD HALEY SAID THIS HIMSELF.
Last week he dumbed it down. Again, he ran the same pass play at least 3 times last game.
Taylor knows to stay in games you can’t turn it over. He takes shots when he knows he has it. He never tried to force anything.
The throw to Gordon you rip on – Gordon was open. You know they didn’t play all preseason together right? You know it was windy and rainy right?
Look at his whole body of work. No, he’s not Aaron Rodgers. But he’s a guy that lead the Bills to the PLAYOFFS. The guy they thought wasn’t good enough so they dumped him. Now look at the Bills.
8 games in, then talk shot on him. Two games into a brand new offense? NO
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How does whether or not a QB sitting for a year when he comes into the league have anything to do with what Tyrod Taylors skillset is?
I’m ignoring everything else you say until you either 1) answer this above question, or 2) admit your point is fucking retarded and completely irrelevant to mine.
This is what you do soup. You ask a handful of absurd questions during a debate, and get it turned into a completely different discussion than the one that started everything. It’s the old adage of never arguing with an idiot because they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. I’m not going down that road with you.
You’re the one who made the above point, and I want you to see how idiotic it is by making you come to the conclusion.
Answer this question. “How does whether or not a QB sitting for a year when he comes into the league have anything to do with what Tyrod Taylors skillset is?”
I’ll be waiting.
How can you judge his skill set off this new offense? He hasn’t been in it long enough and neither have the other players.
Has he bailed a bit early? Yes, he has a new line that had a troubled game 1 and not a great game 2.
You talk about risks. What downfield risk should he have taken that he didn’t? You’re going to need to back this up with film showing the routes and who was open.
You talk about being too cautious. We had 41 turnovers last year and 6 in the red zone. This year we have two turnovers and 0 in the red zone
He can go downfield. He needs to have the play called to do it and the coverage needs to be right for him to take that shot.
Why are these bad things?
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Not to mention that our kicking game totally let us down. I think ‘Legatron’ cost us probably 9 or 10 points over the last 2 games. Someone can google it for the exact number. But that’s enough to win games.
Not to mention that our kicking game totally let us down. I think ‘Legatron’ cost us probably 9 or 10 points over the last 2 games. Someone can google it for the exact number. But that’s enough to win games.
11. 3 vs Steelers and 8 vs Saints
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Not to mention that our kicking game totally let us down.
Never said it didn’t. It was a huge, enormous, gigantic letdown. To the enth degree. Just horrible. Never said otherwise.
But I did say that it has nothing to do with the QB play or what Tyrod brings to the table, and I stand by that.
Soup all of your questions are valid ones, and I’d answer them, but you blew your chance at having a solid conversation by asking me all sorts of idiocy earlier in this thread.
I might engage you again and answer what I feel are finally solid points if you admit that you’re an idiot and say that how long Patrick Mahomes was in the offense in KC has nothing to do with the play or skillset of Tyrod Taylor. Which, you absolutely did try to do. Because you’re dumb.
Our disconnect is you’re using the wrong word in skill set.
He has the skill set to make all the throws
He has the skill set to run
He chooses not to take the chances others take which is his MO. That’s a decision, not a skillset
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Yes thank you. You have now successfully just said exactly what I already have. Nearly word for word.
Ya know it’s easier if you would just agree with me from the beginning instead of arguing like a loon.
Not to mention that our kicking game totally let us down. I think ‘Legatron’ cost us probably 9 or 10 points over the last 2 games. Someone can google it for the exact number. But that’s enough to win games.
11. 3 vs Steelers and 8 vs Saints
See! If you add those lost kicking points into our point totals we’re averaging probably 25 points per game, maybe even more. Someone check my math.
Yes thank you. You have now successfully just said exactly what I already have. Nearly word for word.
Ya know it’s easier if you would just agree with me from the beginning instead of arguing like a loon.We aren’t though. You blame him for 3 yard throws on third down. Show me a video with the coverage before saying it was a bad decision. We started stretching a bit with Landry then it was 3rd and 10 and Haley called a screen. Should he have just thrown downfield anyway on a screen? You’re looking at his decisions without any information to back it up of who was open downfield that he ignored. That’s the key
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You’re looking at his decisions without any information to back it up of who was open downfield that he ignored.
Because it’s irrelevant and I don’t need it to make a determination of how his decision making works. I base it on his total body of work and his reputation. Which is that he is a very safe, vanilla, bland, boring QB that takes no risks and will only throw downfield when he knows for an unequivocal fact that his receiver is open.
Propel (shooter included, but I’ve talked to A LOT that are complaining) who have a problem with Tyrod baffle me.
He’s a Camry. That’s what we bought. Went to the lot, looked the cars over, picked out a Camry. Solid, dependable. Not flashy. Not fun to drive. But it’s not gonna break down on you.
Now, you’re driving the camry saying “this isn’t as good as a corvette(or whatever sports car you like)!”
No shit! We knew it wasn’t a corvette when we bought it. The big TOYOTA emblem. The 4 doors, the word Camry all over it. The fact that it cost a metric shit ton less than a corvette.
If you’re disappointed in Tyrod, it’s only because you thought your Camry was a Corvette, and you really only have yourself to blame for your delusions.
If you’re disappointed in Tyrod, it’s only because you thought your Camry was a Corvette, and you really only have yourself to blame for your delusions.
No. I’m disappointed because I knew we bought a Camry. Then once we started driving it, the buyers remorse kicked in.
I’ll stop trolling the thread momentarily to second what Dawg E Dawg said. This was never meant to be a high-flying aerial circus. It’s meant to be a ball control offense that kills the opposition with the death of a thousand needles, while our defense obliterates them. Tyrod is a great QB to have when you’re trying to protect a lead.
I’ll also second what Shooter is saying that Tyrod has left a lot of points on the field. Njoku is constantly open over the middle (open meaning he’s covered by someone much smaller than him) but the ball isn’t thrown. Taylor has the bad habit of waiting until the WR is open to throw it, instead of throwing the WR open. The biggest exception is the TD pass to Calloway. Other than that pass he’s hesitant.
Njoku is constantly open over the middle (open meaning he’s covered by someone much smaller than him) but the ball isn’t thrown.
Sorry Ice you an’t say stuff like that. Soup will say you need to know the play call and defensive alignment to make such a claim.
I know you’re 100% correct because this is exactly the thing I’m talking about, but that’s what Soup will say.
It’s meant to be a ball control offense that kills the opposition with the death of a thousand needles, while our defense obliterates them.
Yes. And all I’m saying is that after 2 games, so far I hate it lol.
I’ll stop trolling the thread momentarily to second what Dawg E Dawg said. This was never meant to be a high-flying aerial circus. It’s meant to be a ball control offense that kills the opposition with the death of a thousand needles, while our defense obliterates them. Tyrod is a great QB to have when you’re trying to protect a lead.
I’ll also second what Shooter is saying that Tyrod has left a lot of points on the field. Njoku is constantly open over the middle (open meaning he’s covered by someone much smaller than him) but the ball isn’t thrown. Taylor has the bad habit of waiting until the WR is open to throw it, instead of throwing the WR open. The biggest exception is the TD pass to Calloway. Other than that pass he’s hesitant.Film evidence please.
Freedom!!!
Film evidence please.
You got Game Pass? I don’t, and sure as shit not gonna pay $100 for it. Feel free, if ever you need evidence.
Ice stream kept freezing. He stated it in chat. He’s seeing Njoku open in the middle of the field.
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