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This is not going to be a knock on Mayfield at all, it’s what the Mayfield pick does to the Browns that could be very negative.
The dreaded and incredibly worn-out here in Cleveland Quarterback Controversy.
The opinions of the experts were that the big 3 of Rosen, Darnold and Allen all had huge potential but also boasted a wide array of flaws. If any of them were picked they were bench-bound for a year and that was that, no questions asked.
Mayfield, among those who touted him as worthy of being picked #1 overall, was described as the most pro-ready of all the QB’s in this years class, and that could be a real problem. It’s clear that Dorsey felt that Mayfield did in fact separate himself from the others, and by a wide margin. All it takes now is Mayfield playing well in camp, maybe making a bit of a run at the starting job, and the entire QB room and plan the Browns laid is going to get blown the fuck up.
Stanton was brought in to back up Taylor and help mentor the new kid. That’s over with, because if Taylor goes down the FO and coaching staff are going to buckle to the pressure and put Mayfield in. You know, and I know it. We also all know that, holy shit, the very second that Taylor struggles in the slightest, all the chants and pressure to put Mayfiled in will hit a fever pitch. In Cleveland, that’s most likely going to take place prior to week 3, and will only continue to get uglier with each pass he throws.
The carefully laid plan of bringing in a winning veteran QB to bridge the gap between now and the future while being backed up by another solid veteran QB is completely out of the window and the Browns will find themselves in the potentially disastrous position of thrusting a rookie QB onto the field and hoping that he doesn’t get absolutely ruined trying to make something happen. How many times have we all seen that movie?
Does this front office have the balls, and the discipline, to stand by it’s original plan of Tyrod Taylor unequivocally being the starter of this team and our rookie QB draft pick sitting on the bench for an entire year to learn? By drafting a guy like Mayfield, the expectations of him went way, way up. The pressure went way, way up.
That could spell certain doom.
Have you heard Dorsey speak? He doesn’t care at all what people think. This is a veteran front office. They have thick skin. If they gave a damn what people thought then Mayfield wouldn’t have been the pick
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A couple things to note:
Haslam learned his lesson; he’s the one who forced them to start Johnny 8-ball against the coaches’ will. He’s never going to do that again.
As much as Dorsey runs the roster and the draft, Jackson has complete control over who plays.
Yes Baker has earned his way to the top at every stop and he’s done it very quickly. But he’s never had Tyrod Taylor above him. Baker may be as competitive as Michael Jordan, but Taylor is going into the most important season of his life. He’s on a 1 year deal and if he plays well and keeps the kid on the bench he will secure his family’s future for generations. He is going to make it very difficult for Baker. Don’t forget, Taylor took the Bills to the playoffs. The Bills!Have you heard Dorsey speak? He doesn’t care at all what people think. This is a veteran front office. They have thick skin. If they gave a damn what people thought then Mayfield wouldn’t have been the pick
That’s a fine take and all, and I agree with what you’re saying, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Baker may be as competitive as Michael Jordan, but Taylor is going into the most important season of his life. He’s on a 1 year deal and if he plays well and keeps the kid on the bench he will secure his family’s future for generations. He is going to make it very difficult for Baker. Don’t forget, Taylor took the Bills to the playoffs. The Bills!
I understand all of that. And that’s kind of my point, that there is going to be a battle brewing and I don’t see that as a good thing. Yeah yeah, “competition brings out the bes….” blah blah blah I’ve heard it 1,000 times. A QB controversy erodes, gut punches and eats a team alive from the inside out. Every Browns fan damn well knows that. Every Browns fan also damn well knows how well it goes when a rookie takes over starting duties of a really shitty team. Now I know we’ve made a ton of moves, and on paper we’re actually a solid team for the first time in I don’t know how many years, but it doesn’t change the fact that we’re still a team with 1 win in 2 entire seasons. The pressure is enough to make a diamond out of coal. That’s a horrible situation for a rookie to have to walk into and shoulder.
I just know that at the very first sign of poor/underwhelming/ho-hum play from Taylor and after the first couple of losses the drums will be beating so loud you’ll be able to hear them on the space station for Mayfield to take over. It’s already started. The “Will Mayfield beat out Taylor in camp?” discussions are already sprouting up.
This has the potential to be a very bad situation if it’s not handled right. I have zero trust in the Browns to handle a QB situation properly because I’ve seen them fuck it up about 743 times so far.
Except Hue hasn’t messed it up. Neither has this front office. That’s the difference.
Kessler played year 1 solely due to injury.
Last year for all but 1 game he showed Haslam that Kizer was the pick of morons. He had no other QB on the roster.
For the first time, now he has actual QBs.Freedom!!!
For the first time, now he has actual QBs.
And that’s the sentence that terrifies me.
QB’s. Plural.
I don’t want Quarterbacks. I want A Quarterback. 1 guy. The man. No questions about it. Green Bay doesn’t have QB’s. They have 1. Seattle doesn’t have QB’s, they have 1. Pittsburgh has 1 Quarterback. Ya understand what I’m saying here?
We have Quarterbacks. Which usually means at some point, the team gets ripped apart by a controversy.
You miss the point.
We have 1 legit starter: Taylor
We have 1 legit back-up who has developed other young guys: Stanton
We have the future to sit for at least 1 year: Mayfield.
We have definable roles for the first time.
Green Bay, Seattle and Pittsburgh have HOF QBs. We don’t. See the difference?
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I get your point, Shooter. Just remember though, we haven’t exactly offered Taylor a contract beyond this season. He plays, Stanton teaches Mayfield and backs up Taylor. Hue keeps saying that Mayfield will stay buried on the depth chart until next season, so no matter how well a camp he has, he isn’t getting in a game except maybe through injury (which is very possible being Cleveland and all). If Taylor lights it up this year, great. THEN we can talk about the next episode of As Berea Turns.
And that would be a much better problem to have than the ones that have plagued this team in recent years.
For the first time, now he has actual QBs.
And that’s the sentence that terrifies me.
QB’s. Plural.
I don’t want Quarterbacks. I want A Quarterback. 1 guy. The man. No questions about it. Green Bay doesn’t have QB’s. They have 1. Seattle doesn’t have QB’s, they have 1. Pittsburgh has 1 Quarterback. Ya understand what I’m saying here?
We have Quarterbacks. Which usually means at some point, the team gets ripped apart by a controversy.I flat out don’t understand your argument. Not at all. Mayfield is too good? He may be ready to play too soon? Why is that a bad thing from your first overall pick?
Your examples: Green Bay had Favre when they drafted Rodgers. When Rodgers was ready, thy kicked Favre to the curb m. It was ugly.
Roethlisberger wasn’t supposed to play to Maddox shit the bed. They kicked him to the curb.
Wilson was drafted in the 3rd. He wasn’t anointed the starter, but he beat Jackson and they kicked him to the curb.
Look at Wentz. He was supposed to sit behind Sam Bradford for a year. They pulled the plug on that plan and kicked Bradford to the curb.
Common thread? When your franchise q.v. is ready, you get him in the game. If that takes a year, you wait a year. If it takes two, fine. If it takes a game, you wait a game.
the controversy only exists when you get the guy in the game before he’s ready, it shows, and the team gets pissed. Tha trasition would have to be handled carefully regardless of who we picked. The qb being ready earlier just decreases the chances of the coach going to him too soon.
If Taylor lights it up this year, great. THEN we can talk about the next episode of As Berea Turns.
And if he doesn’t? What if Taylor opens the season 0-2 with some paltry passing #’s and some really uninspired play?
You and I both know the screams to play Mayfield will reach a fever pitch.
I flat out don’t understand your argument. Not at all.
My argument is that QB controversies on a team are always bad. Wouldn’t you agree? Haven’t you seen enough of them here?
Mayfield is too good? He may be ready to play too soon? Why is that a bad thing from your first overall pick?
Because it creates a QB controversy between him and Taylor. And QB controversies are bad.
And you missed the point of my examples. It’s simply a reference to the adage “if you have 2 QB’s, you don’t have one”.
The places I listed have clear, defined starters. We don’t. We say we do (Taylor), but when we start 0-2, you know what’s gonna happen.
Does this franchise, FO, and coaching staff, have the balls to stick to it’s plan? Which is for Taylor to be our starter ALL season while Stanton backs him up and the rookie sits on the bench at 3rd on the depth chart, learning? Or will it cave to pressure to play the #1 overall pick even if he’s ready or not?
Why are you asking those questions when you’ve spent the thread already stating there will be a controversy?
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you’ve spent the thread already stating there will be a controversy?
Um, no, I have not. I’m just talking about the possibility of one. Because it’s real.
I sure as shit hope there isn’t. I can’t even stomach the thought of having to go through another season where we’re dealing with the bloodlusting, win-starved fans of the Browns screaming from the mountain tops about the QB. I also can’t stomach the thought of running yet another rookie out there when he isn’t ready “just because”, or “to see what we have” or “he has to play sometime that’s why we drafted him”. Too many times I’ve seen Browns fans bend the will of the team and force the play of a guy who isn’t/wasn’t ready or didn’t deserve it. Always to horrible yet clearly obvious results.
I don’t want another 1st round QB ruined. I don’t want another fractured and split fan-base/locker-room at the QB position, and most of all I don’t want it happening at the expense of the team and winning.
I want the Browns to stick to their stated plan. Tyrod Taylor is the starter and that’s that. Period. Drew Stanton is backing him up, period. Baker Mayfield sits, for the ENTIRE season, and learns. Period.
I think that that goal and plan would have been far easier to stick to had we drafted Darnold, or Allen, or even Rosen. Mayfield at #1 overall though changes that as he’s the most pro-ready, the most accomplished, the most successful of all the QB’s and he’s the reigning Heisman trophy winner. It’s a lot harder now to keep him on the bench.
I don’t want one. I’m not saying that there is going to be one. I’m saying that the circumstances for one are absolutely in place though.
I think you’re overestimating Browns fans. Had we taken Darnold or Rosen at 1, fans would still be screaming for them after the first pick (although with Taylor, that might not come til game 3). Allen, maybe fans would let him sit. But I doubt it. Fan bases as a whole are not rational, and the Browns fan base has become one of the least rational after decades of losing.
As to the “I don’t want to ruin another qb argument,” who did we really ruin?? Couch, for sure. But since then? Quinn we gave a year. Weeden was 87 when he was drafted, there was no waiti for him. He was as ready as he’d ever be. Manziel we gave time. Kizer you could argue, but I don’t think he’s ruined, just not that good.
I do agree I don’t want a QB controversy. Mayfield is actually a good QB from that standpoint. When he does become the starter, he’ll stop any qb controversy so fast it’ll make your head spin. That team will be HIS team. One thing that everybody talks about is his natural leadership. The web controversy only becomes an issue if we put him in too early and he shits the bed, which is the same story for all the qbs we could have drafted.
Couch, for sure. But since then? Quinn we gave a year.
Couch we obliterated.
Quinn was not given a year. Quinn was given a grand total of 12 starts for the Browns. 12. Total. Over 2 years. Probably the worst display of QB development I’ve ever seen.
I agree about Weeden. He should have sat out a while too, but he was collecting Social Security when we drafted him so getting thrown into the fire was a necessity.
Manziel should have never been allowed on the field. He’s far more to blame for his own flame out than the browns were, but still, he had no business being out there.
Cody Kessler was led to the gallows.
Kizer was as well. (And yes, I agree he sucked, but at the very least he should have been bench bound for at least 1 season first before he was allowed to play).
Let’s also not forget about Colt McCoy. Earned himself the right to begin the 2011 season as the starter. Had a solid if unspectacular year that ended when he got his shit absolutely destroyed by Harrison in the Steelers game that ended his year early. We drafted Weeden and never let Colt compete for the job he never should have lost. Now you can make arguments as to whether or not Colt McCoy was a good quarterback or whether he deserved to be an NFL starter, but you can’t argue that his development was also handled shittily by the Browns.
Browns fan base has become one of the least rational after decades of losing.
It’s actually stunning to watch live when they’re in large groups.
When he does become the starter, he’ll stop any qb controversy so fast it’ll make your head spin.
My God I hope so.
The web controversy only becomes an issue if we put him in too early and he shits the bed,
Exactly.
Man, I forgot about Colt. How is it Colt and Cody we’re both 3rd string QBs forced to play too early due to injury to the 2 guys ahead of them? That’s just terrible luck. Terrible.
With Quinn, I agree we should’ve let him develop, I just meant that he wasn’t rushed in to play in his rookie season. But yeah 12 starts? Get out of here with that.
Browns fans in general seem to pass judgement on players way too soon. Not an all pro your rookie season? What a waste of a pick!! Not like they could possibly get better with a full, regular off season where they’re not participating in a 4 month dog and pony show where everything from their finger length to their cup size is measured.
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