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When asked that very question Hue answered immdediately “Accuracy”. If that’s what they wanted then Kessler is definitely their guy. Soup should be very happy, he’s always complaining about completion percentage.
It makes me curious though… if accuracy is the most important thing then why the interest in RG3 and Kaepernick? “Accuracy” sure isn’t the first word that pops into my head when thinking about them. Kessler is mobile in the pocket but he’s almost a polar opposite from RG3, are we going to be learning 2 very different offenses? Kessler seems a better fit to backup and learn from Josh McCown.
RG3 was extremely accurate coming out of college, but yeah, I think the leg surgeries have taken some of that away.
I really know nothing about Kessler other than what I’ve read this morning. When I read “has trouble making throws more than 15 yards down field” I get a bit worried. That’s Dorseyesque.
The more I read and watch on him the more I love this pick. His ball placement is insanely amazing.
Can read a defense AND throw guys open. A QB that anticipates throws – haven’t seen that in years.
Good pocket awareness.
Day 2 was a great day in the draft.
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Soup should be very happy, he’s always complaining about completion percentage.
Soup could give 2 fucks about accuracy or completion %, he cares about “ball placement”. It’s his holy grail.
The more I read and watch on him the more I love this pick. His ball placement is insanely amazing.
Shooters case, rested.
Still to this day the dumbest fucking argument I’ve ever heard or participated in.
“Ball placement”. Lmao.
I put it up in my own personal Pantheon of idiotic sports phrases a hair below “he can score the basketball”.
That one is #1. The reigning king of dumbest things ever said by someone when describing something in a sport that they cannot. I doubt it ever gets supplanted. Just a stupid, dumb, dumb fucking thing to ever say.
Ball placement is #2.
“Ball placement”. Getthefuckouttahere lol. So stupid.
Are we talking about where to put a centerpiece at a wedding table, or whether or not he can thread a needle with some juice and hit a guy on the numbers in stride?
Fuckin dumb.
If a receiver has to make a one handed diving catch with no one around him, it goes towards his completion %. If a receiver is hit in stride perfectly and drops it, it goes against his completion %. Which ball was better put in the proper spot?
Now you understand the difference between ball placement and a Stat that is based on people catching a pass.
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Soup is basically saying that stats are useless in evaluating an NFL QB.
To a point I agree with him. There are no stats that correlate perfectly to QB success. It’s still a subjective opinion that needs to be made by guys who know what they’re doing (hint: not us).
However accuracy is a large part of completion percentage. In general QB’s with a higher completion percentage are more accurate. Yes the ability of WR’s can drastically affect the number. Still you can see that over 3 years of college play with different WR’s Kessler’s completion percentage and TD/INT ratios have remained very high.
Soup is basically saying that stats are useless in evaluating an NFL QB.
To a point I agree with him. There are no stats that correlate perfectly to QB success. It’s still a subjective opinion that needs to be made by guys who know what they’re doing (hint: not us).
However accuracy is a large part of completion percentage. In general QB’s with a higher completion percentage are more accurate. Yes the ability of WR’s can drastically affect the number. Still you can see that over 3 years of college play with different WR’s Kessler’s completion percentage and TD/INT ratios have remained very high.5 different coaches and ended his career at 68%. My point is you have to look at both sides of it. Look at the stat then look at where ball placement is. If someone is as high as him completion wise it’s a good bet his ball placement is stellar – if someone is teetering around 60-61% you need to pay attention more on ball placement.
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Based on his completion percentage in college, Kessler does have ‘stellar’ ball placement. So @Soup does that mean that Colt McCoy has even more stellar ball placement, because his completion percentage was even higher? I’d say no.
Again there’s only a loose correlation between accuracy (ball placement) and completion percentage.
Based on his completion percentage in college, Kessler does have ‘stellar’ ball placement. So @Soup does that mean that Colt McCoy has even more stellar ball placement, because his completion percentage was even higher? I’d say no.
Again there’s only a loose correlation between accuracy (ball placement) and completion percentage.I watched highlights too – this kids accuracy is out of this world.
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I watched highlights too – this kids accuracy is out of this world.
Wait, you’ve seen highlights? And he was accurate in those highlights? I withdraw my previous comments. @Soup is clearly an expert on Kessler’s ball placement.
I watched highlights too – this kids accuracy is out of this world.
Wait, you’ve seen highlights? And he was accurate in those highlights? I withdraw my previous comments. @Soup is clearly an expert on Kessler’s ball placement.
And you refused to watch Wentz highlights which showed him all over the place. So I gave you full games – which showed her mother all over the place and you never commented. So I’m not surprised you wont watch and I wont look for full games for you either since you won’t watch.
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And you refused to watch Wentz highlights which showed him all over the place. So I gave you full games – which showed her mother all over the place and you never commented. So I’m not surprised you wont watch and I wont look for full games for you either since you won’t watch.
Are you having a hissy fit? When I read that in my head it sounded like you were having a hissy fit.
How do you know I refused to watch anything? Because I didn’t comment on it? I haven’t commented on the Deadpool movie either, but I saw that. 10/10 if you know what you’re getting into btw.
Now you understand the difference between ball placement and a Stat that is based on people catching a pass.
No, no I don’t.
Accuracy is accuracy, period. The notion that “ball placement” and “accuracy” are two different things is patently absurd, and I’m not speaking in relation to a measurable stat, i.e., completion %. There aren’t different tiers of accuracy, or categories, or goofy names. You’re either accurate or you’re not. Period.
Can you make the back shoulder throw? Can you put it on the pylon? Can you put it where only your receiver can get it? Can you thread the needle over the middle? Can you hit your receiver in stride? Can you throw a guy open? Can you put up a jump ball where either your receiver gets it or no one does? Can you throw the fade route? The go route?
That’s accuracy. You can’t do all that and have your imaginary “ball placement” be poor. You’re accurate or you’re not, end of story. I have no idea what the hell “ball placement” is, nor do I understand how the two are trying to be separated through paralysis by analysis. Every game, a QB is going to get bailed out a time or two by a receiver making a good catch on a poorly thrown ball, and conversely, a QB is going to be let down by a receiver dropping a perfect pass. It happens every game.
Can you put the ball where you want/where it’s supposed to be? If you can, you’re an accurate QB. If you can’t, then you’re not. It’s very simple. I honestly have no idea what the hell you’re arguing about, or how this phantom imaginary Sana Clause stat even came into existence.
Now you understand the difference between ball placement and a Stat that is based on people catching a pass.
No, no I don’t.
Accuracy is accuracy, period. The notion that “ball placement” and “accuracy” are two different things is patently absurd, and I’m not speaking in relation to a measurable stat, i.e., completion %. There aren’t different tiers of accuracy, or categories, or goofy names. You’re either accurate or you’re not. Period.
Can you make the back shoulder throw? Can you put it on the pylon? Can you put it where only your receiver can get it? Can you thread the needle over the middle? Can you hit your receiver in stride? Can you throw a guy open? Can you put up a jump ball where either your receiver gets it or no one does? Can you throw the fade route? The go route?
That’s accuracy. You can’t do all that and have your imaginary “ball placement” be poor. You’re accurate or you’re not, end of story. I have no idea what the hell “ball placement” is, nor do I understand how the two are trying to be separated through paralysis by analysis. Every game, a QB is going to get bailed out a time or two by a receiver making a good catch on a poorly thrown ball, and conversely, a QB is going to be let down by a receiver dropping a perfect pass. It happens every game.
Can you put the ball where you want/where it’s supposed to be? If you can, you’re an accurate QB. If you can’t, then you’re not. It’s very simple. I honestly have no idea what the hell you’re arguing about, or how this phantom imaginary Sana Clause stat even came into existence.Your mom loves my ball placement.
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Lol.
I’ll go ahead and mark that down in the W column for me.And the L column for your mom.
And the L column for your mom.
Well she’s always been very Browns-like in the win/loss column anyway, so I’m sure she’ll get over it pretty quick.
Lol.
I’ll go ahead and mark that down in the W column for me.No, not a win at all. “Your mom” and “ball placement” is just plain funny when used in a sentence. Your mind can’t be changed – you view it like I view baseball’s most idiotic description “walk off.” It’s literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe. You don’t get a game winning hit and then turn and walk off the field. You run the bases (or base if it just took a single). It’s idiotic – stupid – pointless – and anytime it’s used that person who uses it should get punched in the face 3 times in a row.
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Your mind can’t be changed – you view it like I view baseball’s most idiotic description “walk off.” It’s literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe.
Is it literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe? What about hamburger? There is no ham or even pig in a hamburger, it’s all beef. How about a boxing ring? It’s not a ring, it’s square. How about Donkey Kong; he’s actually a gorilla not a donkey.
Your hyperbole annoys me.
Your mind can’t be changed – you view it like I view baseball’s most idiotic description “walk off.” It’s literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe.
Is it literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe? What about hamburger? There is no ham or even pig in a hamburger, it’s all beef. How about a boxing ring? It’s not a ring, it’s square. How about Donkey Kong; he’s actually a gorilla not a donkey.
Your hyperbole annoys me.The origin of the hamburger has a few claimants. One is that it was namebd by people from Hamburg Germany – the other is that it was invented by a couple in Hamburg NY. So the term does make perfect sense.
Boxing ring makes sense due to history – it used to be fought in a circle. When the sport modernized they kept the historic name.
And Donkey Kong -is a Kong (ape) from Donkey Kong Island.
Nice try though.
Next time you watch baseball it’s a walk off out. It’s no longer the end of an inning.
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Your mind can’t be changed
Well that’s because I’m right, so…..
you view it like I view baseball’s most idiotic description “walk off.”
It’s also on my list.
You do realize however in saying so you just basically made my point for me, don’t you? Yes, I do view it in the same light, because it’s stupid and completely nonsensical.
Your hyperbole annoys me.
At least it’s not as bad as his “facts”.
Your mind can’t be changed – you view it like I view baseball’s most idiotic description “walk off.” It’s literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe.
Is it literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe? What about hamburger? There is no ham or even pig in a hamburger, it’s all beef. How about a boxing ring? It’s not a ring, it’s square. How about Donkey Kong; he’s actually a gorilla not a donkey. Your hyperbole annoys me.
The origin of the hamburger has a few claimants. One is that it was namebd by people from Hamburg Germany – the other is that it was invented by a couple in Hamburg NY. So the term does make perfect sense.
Boxing ring makes sense due to history – it used to be fought in a circle. When the sport modernized they kept the historic name.
And Donkey Kong -is a Kong (ape) from Donkey Kong Island.
Nice try though.
Next time you watch baseball it’s a walk off out. It’s no longer the end of an inning.Walk-off annoys you? Seriously? The game literally stops in the middle of an inning and the defense walks off the field. Literally.
And, I’ve never, ever, EVER heard the term used to describe an out, only hits, walks, errors, and I’ve even seen a walk off balk. But not an out, it’s only used to describe scoring plays.
Dawg E. Dawg, yeah, but I’m in agreement with Soup on this one. It’s an annoying phrase. And relatively new. They used to be referred to as Game Winning RBI’s. In fact, at one point it was actually a stat on the back of Topps baseball cards.
“Walk-off” homerun or “walk-off” base hit to describe a game-winning hit is fucking stupid. It’d be like calling it a “walk-off” field goal in football or some shit. It’s just stupid and nonsensical.
They started saying it on Sportscenter in the late 90’s/early 2000’s and, well, for some reason it became the standard.
Dumb.
As far as what the Browns look far. Hue Jackson has mentioned decision making and varied pro schemes Kesseler played in at USC. So perhaps it was his mental game and experience with various pro schemes that attracted the Browns interest than soup’s ball placement highlight crayon assessments.
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Your mind can’t be changed – you view it like I view baseball’s most idiotic description “walk off.” It’s literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe.
Is it literally the most inaccurate and senseless term in the entire history of the universe? What about hamburger? There is no ham or even pig in a hamburger, it’s all beef. How about a boxing ring? It’s not a ring, it’s square. How about Donkey Kong; he’s actually a gorilla not a donkey. Your hyperbole annoys me.
The origin of the hamburger has a few claimants. One is that it was namebd by people from Hamburg Germany – the other is that it was invented by a couple in Hamburg NY. So the term does make perfect sense. Boxing ring makes sense due to history – it used to be fought in a circle. When the sport modernized they kept the historic name. And Donkey Kong -is a Kong (ape) from Donkey Kong Island. Nice try though. Next time you watch baseball it’s a walk off out. It’s no longer the end of an inning.
Walk-off annoys you? Seriously? The game literally stops in the middle of an inning and the defense walks off the field. Literally.
And, I’ve never, ever, EVER heard the term used to describe an out, only hits, walks, errors, and I’ve even seen a walk off balk. But not an out, it’s only used to describe scoring plays.After the 3rd out at the end of innings 1-8 the defense literally walks off the field. It’s a walk off out to end an inning. Makes as much sense as the idiot loser who called a GAME WINNING hit, RBI = etc. a walk off – because it’s not – it’s stupid. Only morons use the term. It’s a GAME WINNING play.
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Say what you want, but it’s not senseless or inaccurate to call it a walk off. If it annoys you and you wanna go all “get off my lawn” about it, have fun.
While you’re at it, you’d better call it a “buzzer beater” in basketball every time somebody makes a shot, because they all have to beat the buzzer to count.
Oh we should probably get rid of the term “sudden death” because nobody dies. It makes no sense.
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