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First off, welcome back from summer vacation. Or are the kids these days calling it a ‘vaycay’?
I say Kessler. Better protection up front, less concussions. Less concussions are good for not having to worry about figuring out which Coleman to throw it to. Less double-vision means more games won.
But it doesn’t matter, because we’ll be too busy running the ball. Somewhere in Pittsburgh, some dude who has the handle ‘Soup’ just jizzed a little.
Pardon my cynicism but we are talking about the Browns here, so I’ll assume that Kessler, Osweiler and Kizer are all hurt by week 8, leaving someone else to take snaps the majority of the season. I vote “other” lol.
Realistically, I think it’s going to come down to who wins the battle in camp between Osweiler and Kessler. Kizer needs to be riding the pine, so those two will decide who’s taking the reigns.
Then again, considering the expectations for this season are low and that playoffs are not on the radar, it’s a good time to get Kizer out there and see what he can do. We have nothing to lose by doing that.
So, I have no idea whatsoever.
Kizer is already the starter for Hue. That’s why he’s splitting first team reps. Kizer will be the week 1 starter as they have to see if he any good. If it was a true competition then Kessler being named camp starter would get all 1sst team reps, Osweilr all 2nd and Kizer 3rd until he unseats Brock, etc. I fully expect Kizer to be named starter before the 2nd preseason game. I don’t think there’s ever been any intention of a QB battle.
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Lol, you have to just put such a negative spin on it though don’t you?
While I agree that the possibility of Kizer being named starter is a realistic one, it wouldn’t be because “Kizer is Hue’s guy from the start” or “there’s no intention of there being any QB competition” or whatever way you’re trying to spin it into being something negative.
If Kizer finds himself on the field by week 8, I mean, would that surprise anyone? He was drafted to be a starter. The season has no expectations because the playoffs just aren’t realistic, so what would playing him cost us? He’s a rookie, rookies play bad and make mistakes. It would actually be a prudent decision for the franchise to get him out on the field and play so those growing pains and mistakes can get out of the way now when it doesn’t matter.
Does that mean that his play should be sooner rather than later? I don’t know. I have to believe that if Kizer is still looking Goff-like in his understanding and speed of the game, that Kessler or Brock would be playing then. Also, what if the Browns surprise some people and find themselves at 3-3, or 4-4 to start the year? Do you play him then or do you let him sit and develop from the bench while the team makes an attempt to have a non-losing season?
There’s so many factors involved in the decision to go into playing him that to easily and quite frankly, lazily, blurt out a blanket statement like “He’s Hues guy, there is no competition at all” is both short-sighted and insulting to the coaches.
If it was so easy, and so obvious as to flippantly make such a simple proclamation, then why wasn’t he named starter the day after we drafted him? To start OTA’s? At the start of camp? Today? Tomorrow? Why are these guys splitting reps? Why are they looking at all 4 QB’s still? Why do they keep saying it’s too early to make any decisions? I’m guessing the answer to all of those questions is that it’s a much more complicated situation and state than the one you so easily dismiss and have already firmly planted in your head as fact.
There is of course one other way of it: He’s just better than everyone else and earns it. A far out and proposterous idea I know, but I hate to tell ya, it has happened before.
Btw, It’s fun arguing with you. I’ve missed it, and I’m going to enjoy the ever-loving out of it this year while you sport that dead-on balls accurate sigline with every take you make lmao.
From what I’ve read Kizer isn’t Hue’s guy. He wanted to sit at 12 (?) and take Watson. Sashi made the call to work it the other way.
That said, in the position they are in I don’t think they have a choice but to start Kizer due to Darnold coming out next year in the draft.
Why am I saying he’ll be the week one starter? Because he split reps day 1. Before Hue ever saw him at practice. That’s why.
If he started 3rd team and beat out the other guys – GREAT! But this seems like he’s being handed something no matter what. Now, pre-season could come along and he could be fantastic and outplay everyone. Either way I’m feeling the Holcomb/couch scenario again where the coach knows who’s starting but is saying the opposite to pretend someone earns a spot.
Why am I a bit down on Hue? His offense is supposed to feature the run. Last year we were dead last in rush attempts with 2 guys averaging 4.5+ YPC. that’s just plain stupid.
Maybe it’s the water, but when coaches get to Cleveland they lose their brains.
Again, I hope I’m wrong overall about Kizer – when he starts I hope he makes Dak Prescott’s rookie year look like Jared Goff’s rookie year in comparison. I hope he throws 40 TDs and 5 ints on the year and is a first team all pro Super Bowl MVP, league MVP as a rookie.
But chances are this is going to play out like Couch vs. Holcomb where Couch far outplayed Holcomb and Bitch Davis didn’t care.
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Btw, It’s fun arguing with you. I’ve missed it, and I’m going to enjoy the ever-loving out of it this year while you sport that dead-on balls accurate sigline with every take you make lmao.
Well, to be fair, he hasn’t gone full-blown knee-jerk.
Alas, the season is still young.
Why am I saying he’ll be the week one starter? Because he split reps day 1. Before Hue ever saw him at practice. That’s why.
Soup, even you know that means dick. C’mon now.
But this seems like he’s being handed something no matter what.
On one hand, I just don’t see that. Wouldn’t we have cut Brock already if that were the case? I mean, why keep him? We know what we did in that trade, we bought a draft pick NBA-style. Why keep him then.
On the other, let’s just say that he is.
So what?
Why draft him then? Everyone knows he was a 1st round talent, that he fell to us where he did was surprising. What else are we gonna draft him for, camp fodder? He’s the “presumed” future QB and face of the franchise. Is it such a stretch that he just be handed the reigns right away? Why not, what’s to lose? And further, don’t we kind of, I dunno, see?
Why am I a bit down on Hue? His offense is supposed to feature the run. Last year we were dead last in rush attempts with 2 guys averaging 4.5+ YPC. that’s just plain stupid.
I think that will be changing. Hue directly addressed this, and agreed.
Maybe it’s the water, but when coaches get to Cleveland they lose their brains.
I agree. But then again, it’s not like the coaches who have been here are of top quality. We’re talking about the likes of Pat Shurmer and Pettine. I don’t know how much brains those guys had to begin with ya know?
Again, I hope I’m wrong overall about Kizer – when he starts I hope he makes Dak Prescott’s rookie year look like Jared Goff’s rookie year in comparison. I hope he throws 40 TDs and 5 ints on the year and is a first team all pro Super Bowl MVP, league MVP as a rookie.
We can dream, can’t we Soup? We can only dream.
But chances are this is going to play out like Couch vs. Holcomb where Couch far outplayed Holcomb and Bitch Davis didn’t care.
Let’s not jump into the way back machine lol. Although, that very argument is where we bonded, as we cast our iron into the same fire. Seems almost eons ago, not to mention preposterous, that you and I almost alone took on the entire Dawgtalk message board together hahahahaha.
Huh. According to Cabot, it’s not even close…Kizer is kicking ass in camp. I never expected that, and I sure as fuck ain’t drinking the Kool-Aid.
Sashi may be on to something though.
Huh. According to Cabot, it’s not even close…Kizer is kicking ass in camp. I never expected that, and I sure as fuck ain’t drinking the Kool-Aid.
Sashi may be on to something though.Cabot is an idiot. She raved about him in one article going 5-11 while glossing over Kessler 10-11 and points. Cabot also raved about Manziel. She also raved about Garrett “blowing by Thomas” because she’s not smart enough to recognize a screen that went for 20ish yards. I don’t need to read the writers name to k ow when it’s her. If it’s Kizer it’s going to be filled with excuses and adjectives
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Lol, that entire post was about bashing Cabot. Dude, there’s no need…I’m not a fan of most of the Cleveland sportswriters (Grossi, McManhamon, Cabot, etc).
Thing is, we don’t have much else to go on (unless you’re at camp with your own two eyes), so I work with what I got.
That said, these same beat writers are usually all doom and gloom about things (except maybe Cabot), and 90% of the things they write about pertain to the QB. So to hear them actually seem excited about seemingly heading in the right direction gives me a sliver of hope.
The only one I respect is Pluto. The last thing I saw him say was no one is doing well or standing out.
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Speaking of McManamon, he seems to be in agreement with Cabot.
As far as beat reporters go, I tend to lean towards Daryl Ruiter. (yes, I can understand that there may be a bias involved as we’re former colleagues and still currently friends). He’s pretty no-nonsense and doesn’t gloss over bad or embellish the good.
That said, he seems to be in line with the rest. Kizer is shining. Raw, still not ready, and has a lot to learn, but he’s still standing out.
Take that however you like.
As far as beat reporters go, I tend to lean towards Daryl Ruiter. (yes, I can understand that there may be a bias involved as we’re former colleagues and still currently friends). He’s pretty no-nonsense and doesn’t gloss over bad or embellish the good.
That said, he seems to be in line with the rest. Kizer is shining. Raw, still not ready, and has a lot to learn, but he’s still standing out.
Take that however you like.And it’s all the same – it’s his ARM that stands out. Most of these guys don’t get it because they focus on a factor that’s way overhyped. To paraphrase “He went 5 for 11 but made some wow moment throws none of the other guys can make.” What I see is he went less than 50% which means the D is on the field for 70 minutes in a 60 minute game.
From your Pat article:
Best throw — Kizer’s throw to Wright qualifies. Kizer put the ball down the field, which allowed Wright to make a noteworthy leaping catch. The pass was not perfect, but it showed Kizer’s arm strength and ability to get the ball down the field when he sets up properly.
So in short it was a shit throw that a fantastic catch was made from……and he gives it best throw.
In contrast lookat how the biased writer says tis:
Oops moment — Count them. Kessler threw a 10-yard incompletion on fourth-and-22 to the sideline. Kessler was sacked four times, though two starting linemen did not practice (Joel Bitonio and Joe Thomas) and Jackson said three of the sacks were broken assignments by the offensive line. Osweiler had a nice throw over the middle for a 15-yard touchdown to J.P. Holtz, but he also did not get in the end zone once on three attempted two-point conversions. On one, he tried to run. Yes he looked Kosar-esque.
Look at the bold. Slamming Kessler for 1 throw and 4 sacks – then under his breath sideways says “Well, 3 sacks were on the offensiv line (but I’m still blaming Kessler). Again – read his “headline” on this little blurb – not that he has Osweilers TD to Holtz in as an “OOPS moment.” What?
The oops moment that really stands out is the OL missing blocking assignments allowing 3 sacks. That’s an oops moment.
In reading about that day the unbiased (90% sure it was Pluto) said the best throw by far was Osweiler to Holtz on a 15 yard rope that Pat the dolt refers to as an “OOPS” moment.
Again – no one is standing out. Not Kessler, not Kizer and not Oswielr. Kizer’s arm is standing out and he’s a shiny new toy.
And by the way – here’s the Kizer “throw” Pat is referring to. It’s a freaking dead duck wobbly garbage toss:
https://www.facebook.com/clevelandbrowns/videos/10155779679644684/
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So in short it was a shit throw that a fantastic catch was made from……and he gives it best throw.
Well, here it is. Call it how you see it.
Looks like a damn fine throw to me. And it just effortlessly glided off his hand.
It’s a dead duck wobbler.
Lol okay.
So you’re saying that’s your definition of a spiral? Yikes!
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So you’re saying that’s your definition of a spiral?
Did I say that?
No, but you laughed at my comment about it being a wobbly duck. If that’s the best we got we are screwed (meaning Pat the dope calling it The throw off the day). Play of the day due to the catch I can agree with. Throw? Nope.
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No, but you laughed at my comment about it being a wobbly duck.
I did. Because calling that pass a dead duck wobbler was giggle worthy.
Was it a frozen rope? Hardly.
Was it a Ken Dorsey-esque fabulous floating flutterball? No. But that’s what you wanted to see, so that’s what you saw.
That ball traveled over 30+ yards through the air and he flicked it off his wrist with the same amount of energy as flicking a booger out of a car window. It was put in a spot where either the receiver catches it, or it falls incomplete.
Was I impressed? No.
Did it make me say “nice throw”? Yes.
Yes, that pass was the worst thing ever thrown in the history of the Browns.
In the meantime, here’s a video of the greatest pass ever.
Edit: gotta watch on YouTube, NFL blocked the fucker from embedding.
I didn’t say it was the worst pass ever. People are suffering from shiny toy syndrome. Did you read about the scrimmage? Kizer and Kessler both sucked. Osweilr was okay.
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Well, with a sig like that, you better expect a shot or two. Don’t worry, I never hit below the belt.
And yeah, I read that. Also read that Osweiler was the man (compared to the others) in their mock game today. Ulrich apparently thinks that “all signs point to Kizer” being named starter, while others think it’ll be Osweiler.
I mean I get it, but it’ll be real nice to have a camp or five where we have an actual established starter for once. This yearly drama sucks, even though we are definitely doing right in this rebuild.
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