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Who should be the Browns starting QB for week 3?
- Josh McCown (33%, 4 Votes)
- Johnny Manziel (67%, 8 Votes)
Total Voters: 12
Loading ...We gotta see if he’s gonna be our QB of the future or a bust. Might as well take a season to find out.
Ok…I decided my vote based on the same thinking everyone else is using…
Gotta know if we have a QB of the future in Manziel or not. If McCown is a good leader and mentor, then this isn’t a problem. If he thinks he should keep his job, we could have a locker room issue and/or drama.
McCown looked good in moving the offense on our first offensive series of the season. We did NOT see enough of him ON OUR TEAM to decide that he isn’t worthy of starting. Before any of you decide to counter my point, I ask you to consider Kurt Warner and his career path….sure, it isn’t highly likely that a ‘career back-up’ will turn into a playoff winning QB, but it isn’t without precedence. I say that to simply say, I can understand if the coaching staff starts him over Manziel. They see these two every day. We see one day per week and hear the rest from the talking heads that get paid to ‘report’ and have ‘opinions.’
First off, gameball to Browns QB coach Kevin O’Connell. Manziel is lightyears ahead of last year, and in his short time at QB it looks like so is McCown. Whatever O’Connell is doing, it is working and he deserves some credit.
This was a really hard decision for me and I’m sure it’s also hard for the coaches. McCown has been entrenched as starter since May and has earned it. Manziel has some big holes in his game, especially fumbles. BUT, Manziel led the team to a win.
Honestly if I could change my vote right now I would. Manziel only did what was asked of him. He only threw 15 passes, and completed 8 of them for 172 yards. I don’t know that’s enough to flip the depth chart upside down. Maybe the OC should get a gameball too for minimizing the need for a star QB.
Final note… how much is Jerry Jones wishing he had traded for Manziel right now?
So this is where you all left to? I actually like Manziel. Always supported him and always thought eventually he could be a good QB. Kid would be a Senior this year if he were still in college. He does have skill, but he still needs some polish.
Personally, I would go back to McCown. I know that is probably not popular right now, but it’s what I’d do. Manziel does need to play to progress…..so it’s a dilemna. But I think you go with McCown, and then if he’s hurt or can’t lead the team, you go back to Manziel permanently.
Welcome aboard @mdawg!
ok…who is this Rick Treharne? Is this Tree?
Tree would be demanding Brady Quinn as the starter.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Tuesday, 9:17 AM. McCown still not cleared from concussion protocol. Issue may be moot point.
Ask yourself this – is McCown going to take us to the playoffs – No IMO.
Is Johnny Manziel going to take us to the playoffs? – Probably not.
Point is moot – if McCown was a very stupid signing. Manziel probably is a wasted pick, but we need to know if we should abandon ship so we can move on to lucky number 39.
This could be the worst QB controversy we have ever had….and I don’t mean the ones debating.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Yes it’s Tree, and btw, the image upload feature for your Avatar does not work very well. Something is buggy with it regardless of what browser you use.
No, I’d be demanding that there be credible talent and coaching in place to aide in Manziel’s development.
It remains to be seen if we have that yet, but the situation Manziel is in, seems far better than the situation Quinn was in, or any other QB we have had.
Steve Young said, referencing his transition from Tampa Bay to San Francisco
“That what really determines the success of an NFL QB is “The Situation” they are dropped in to.”
It is true often that bad teams can ruin good prospects. In the NFL this is probably more true of QBs than any other position in any other sport.
The real question is, can Tree outplay Manziel is a pickup football game.
Please update the poll.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
My choice the entire time (even before the announcement) was McCown. Manziel = bust. He fumbles way too often. He won’t look past his first read. He had many outlets open that he chose to ignore (aka he’s unfamiliar with the routes).
You can see a VAST difference in maturity and understanding from Mariotta to Manziel. Manziel played like what he is – a back-up (3rd string).
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Eh Soup…comparing Mariotta to Manziel isn’t exactly a good comparison. By that I mean, why not compare him to Brady, Manning, Luck, Tannehill, the rapist?
A McCown to Manziel comparison, to me, is very valid. Same system, same coaching, same offensive players. That makes sense to me.
But if you want to compare Manziel and Mariotta, neither looked great in Week #2. Both should flashes of being a competent QB. Both threw 2 TDs. Both had huge negatives: Mariotta: 7 sacks, Manziel: 2 fumbles. Oh wait…Mariotta fumbled 3 times and lost two of them. Aside from yards, stats seem to favor Manziel…but stats can be misleading (and are if used improperly.) But the one that does count is that the Browns beat the Titans….not the other way around.
Week #1 is one I wouldn’t even attempt to compare. Mariotta was prepped all week in practice and then played the Bucs. Manziel got thrown into the game after McCown got hurt and played a much better defense. Penalities killed several opportunities for Manziel in that game.
Not sure how the maturity comes into play unless you are talking about last year…and we all know Manziel had huge issues, but seems to be on a much better path right now.
Of course, I digress…I don’t really see the validity of comparing two rookie QBs with only a handful of starts.
Oh and while I would agree that maybe Manziel isn’t ready to be a starter, there’s no way that his play last week merited a “3rd string QB” comment. That to me is kind of silly.
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Eh Soup…comparing Mariotta to Manziel isn’t exactly a good comparison. By that I mean, why not compare him to Brady, Manning, Luck, Tannehill, the rapist?
A McCown to Manziel comparison, to me, is very valid. Same system, same coaching, same offensive players. That makes sense to me.
But if you want to compare Manziel and Mariotta, neither looked great in Week #2. Both should flashes of being a competent QB. Both threw 2 TDs. Both had huge negatives: Mariotta: 7 sacks, Manziel: 2 fumbles. Oh wait…Mariotta fumbled 3 times and lost two of them. Aside from yards, stats seem to favor Manziel…but stats can be misleading (and are if used improperly.) But the one that does count is that the Browns beat the Titans….not the other way around.
Week #1 is one I wouldn’t even attempt to compare. Mariotta was prepped all week in practice and then played the Bucs. Manziel got thrown into the game after McCown got hurt and played a much better defense. Penalities killed several opportunities for Manziel in that game.
Not sure how the maturity comes into play unless you are talking about last year…and we all know Manziel had huge issues, but seems to be on a much better path right now.
Of course, I digress…I don’t really see the validity of comparing two rookie QBs with only a handful of starts.
Oh and while I would agree that maybe Manziel isn’t ready to be a starter, there’s no way that his play last week merited a “3rd string QB” comment. That to me is kind of silly.
Mariotta to Manziel was meant for vision, etc. The play Mariotta made to the TE while being chased was due to him knowing the routes of all his guys and accounting for the defense. He knew the guy who was supposed to cover him – wasn’t on that side of the field. He knows progressions.
Yes, he fumbled 3 times – it wasn’t from leaving a pocket too early. He was getting crushed – he’s also a rookie with 6 TDs and 0 ints. Manziel is a 2nd year player. It shows what a TRUE 1st rounder looks like compared to a 6th round talent.
Is mcCown good? Nope. Did I want them to sign him? Nope. But it’s obvious he’s light years ahead of a career 3rd stringer in Manziel.
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Manziel not looking past his first read? I don’t think you watch the same game as the rest of us.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Howdy Gents…good to be aboard
Full disclosure, I’m no JFF fan and I’m uncertain he has the necessary physical attributes. I do not believe that he has to play to demonstrate that he’s ready.
Regardless, the Plan all summer and for the foreseeable future was/is to play McCown and groom JFF. If you think JFF is a finished product at this time, there is no hope for you.
Until such time as A) A more capable & polished JFF emerges OR B) McCown goes down (again), you stick to your Plan and play McCown with ClipBoard Johnny at the ready.
All we’re seeing now is JFF Fanaticism Part Deux. It was proven to be ridiculous the first time around. You really wanna do THAT again?!?!
Cleveland Dave
Welcome @clevelanddave! Your take is very similar to mine. I originally voted for Manziel to start, but I made the poll 2 minutes after the game ended so I was legally insane at the moment.
Welcome @clevelanddave! Your take is very similar to mine. I originally voted for Manziel to start, but I made the poll 2 minutes after the game ended so I was legally insane at the moment.
a case of browns syndrome – thoughts and prayers to your family.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
Howdy Gents…good to be aboard
Full disclosure, I’m no JFF fan and I’m uncertain he has the necessary physical attributes. I do not believe that he has to play to demonstrate that he’s ready.
Regardless, the Plan all summer and for the foreseeable future was/is to play McCown and groom JFF. If you think JFF is a finished product at this time, there is no hope for you.
Until such time as A) A more capable & polished JFF emerges OR B) McCown goes down (again), you stick to your Plan and play McCown with ClipBoard Johnny at the ready.
All we’re seeing now is JFF Fanaticism Part Deux. It was proven to be ridiculous the first time around. You really wanna do THAT again?!?!
Cleveland DaveHey Dave – Good to see you have made it over here! You always have great insight and another solid post.
The thing is McCown is going to get hurt. In the preseason, he was running the ball all the time- The first drive, he ran the ball – I think he is washed up and doesn’t have much trust in his arm. I would rather see Johnny in the game building on experience and skill set. No one expects him to be a champion out of the get – go. If anyone has hopes we will be a playoff team in the next two years. then I will take your action 🙂 Point is, now is the time to push for a solution. Playing a qb that simply is not very good at all is not helping the cause.
The way I look at it – Manziel is going to make mistakes. He is going to fumble the ball. He is going to have misreads. He is going to stare down receivers.
The only way of solving these mistakes is to let them happen. On Monday morning, he should be in the film room looking at what he did wrong and how to prevent it from happening in the future. This is how rookies improve – NOT sitting behind terrible talent.
Hue Jackson is a loser.
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