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Patriots' Danny Shelton showers CLE w/praise (re-post).
Video of our Super Bowl chat w/Shelton (new).https://t.co/uVaB58cKge— Steve Doerschuk (@sdoerschukREP) February 1, 2019
"I wish I would have stayed there. I loved it there."@TerrellePryor reveals how bad advice made him leave the @Browns on #ThomaHawk at #SBLIII pic.twitter.com/TTxnVZmAa9
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TP and Perriman on the outside and Landry and Calloway on the inside would be an upgrade.. IMO
And Shelton between Garret and Ogunjobi might actually make all 3 better as they would compliment each others talents IMO.
Thoughts?
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I’m a no. On both. Shelton is a 3-4 NT and Wilks runs a 4-3 (look at his defense in Carolina, Shelton isn’t a fit). TP hasn’t done anything since leaving the Browns. He wasn’t loyal and saying he got “bad advice” doesn’t make him appear contrite at all. It’s not someone else’s fault. YOU wrecked it TP. He needs us more than we need him. Pass.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Don’t agree with Shelton being only a 34 NT. He was a 43 player in college and was a 43 player this year.
I just thought these 2 could be realistic under the radar signings that could fill needs and manage the cap for upcoming contracts extensions of the Browns younger core.
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Look at it this way. Danny Shelton is a classic 3-4 nose tackle who can plug up running lines on early downs. Meanwhile, Adam Butler and Lawrence Guy are lighter defensive tackles who are better at penetrating backfields on passing downs — something you’d see in a 4-3.
But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0Also if we traded the Pats to get Shelton back, we’d probably have to give them their Tom Brady signed football we got in the original trade.
But let’s assume for a minute that you are right and Shelton is not a 3-4 NT. You’re advocating for a guy with 21 tackles, 11 assists and no sacks why?
As a point of reference, not a nose tackle Aaron Donald had 59 tackles, 18 assists and 20.5 sacks.
Also not a NT Geno Atkins had 45 tackles, 21 assists and 10 sacks.
Also not a NT Ndamukong Suh had 59 tackles, 23 assists and 4.5 sacks.
Those numbers are from last season, Shelton has had 1.5 sacks in 4 seasons. If he’s not a NT, why would you want him with that lack of production?
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0But let’s assume for a minute that you are right and Shelton is not a 3-4 NT. You’re advocating for a guy with 21 tackles, 11 assists and no sacks why?
As a point of reference, not a nose tackle Aaron Donald had 59 tackles, 18 assists and 20.5 sacks.
Also not a NT Geno Atkins had 45 tackles, 21 assists and 10 sacks.
Also not a NT Ndamukong Suh had 59 tackles, 23 assists and 4.5 sacks.
Those numbers are from last season, Shelton has had 1.5 sacks in 4 seasons. If he’s not a NT, why would you want him with that lack of production?See he was behind Malcom Brown who is a Free Agent and better than him. BTW I’d love to get BOTH of them BTW. But getting Shelton is more realistic IMO. The reason I want him is to MAKE L.Jackson have to run east and west not north and south. Shelton requires two blockers to block in the pass and run. “IF” you stick him in between Obi and Garrett, that means they are 1 on 1 as is Ogbah…Unless they are in Max protect for 4 guys rushing the passer. then I like the odds of the back 7 vs 3 targets.
Basically put. Getting a nasty space eating run stuffing DT between Obi and Myles makes the rest of the D line better/more effective.
And on known passing downs Avery is the LDE Ogbah is the UT and Obi is the NT.
Oh and if they where to get both Brown and Shelton. VS Baltimore I’d go Brown and Shelton in the middle and Obi becomes the LDE with Garret at RDE. And flip Harbaugh and L Jackson the bird saying you are NOT running in the middle! SO everything has to be off tackle or on the edges where it can be strung out.
Lets face it if the Browns want to contend for the division they have to beat Baltimore as Ben isn’t long for this league IMO.
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Tell me about their special teams skills, because at this point both those guys would be at the bottom of our roster. Keep in mind we just released Tanner Vallejo, who was pretty damn good at special teams and was forced into a starting role for us for a substantial portion of the year. Yet he was not good enough to even make it to February.
I’m pretty sure if you have Shelton in between Garrett and Ogunjobi, Danny won’t be the one teams will be double teaming. They’d reserve that for the ones who are a threat when they beat their blockers. Zero chance of him chasing down Lamar Jackson.
On an unrelated note, it’s been confirmed that Josh Gordon gets a Superbowl Ring.
I’m pretty sure if you have Shelton in between Garrett and Ogunjobi, Danny won’t be the one teams will be double teaming. They’d reserve that for the ones who are a threat when they beat their blockers. Zero chance of him chasing down Lamar Jackson.
On an unrelated note, it’s been confirmed that Josh Gordon gets a Superbowl Ring.In order for there to be a hole where danny shelton is there needs to be to blockers. other wise he will fork lift and or swim into the back field like he did in the superbowl.
Like I said I’d like to get both Browns and Shelton. I’m the Coach/Gm with 6 superbowl rings thought it was a good idea too. Was he wrong?
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Was he wrong when he traded for Josh Gordon? Was he wrong when he picked up Mingo? Just because they were added by the Pats doesn’t mean they are great. That argument doesn’t play.
I was absolutely shocked when we traded away Shelton for a Tom Brady signed football. I thought he was worth a lot more than that at the time but our line seems better without him. I’m not sure why you’re so excited about him suddenly except that he did a radio spot. What if Corey Coleman did a radio spot?
I wish Shelton well, he never did anything wrong by us. He’s a good dude. He’s just not a fit here.
We did get a 3rd round pick for him. Granted, it’s now the last pick of the 3rd round, but it’s not peanuts.
That said, I can’t see how you were surprised. As stated by others, Shelton is a 3-4 NT and we changed to a 4-3. From the moment we hired Gregg Williams, he was the odd man out.
Fortunately, it looks like Dorsey is a GM that actually understands this and hired a 4-3 guy even though he has more experience with 3-4 teams. It’s looking up for once. No need to go backwards and bring back highlights of 1-31. Pass on both guys.
I’m a no on Haden too.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0We gave him up for nothing, and he’s still better than any corner other than Ward. He played at an elite level for the Steelers this year…having him back would ruin the secondary of a rival and give us unbeatable coverage.
My problem with Haden is availability. You pay a premium for his talent (which I don’t disagree he has), but his injury history all but assures he is going to miss at about 1/4 of the season. 116 games played in 9 years comes out to just under 13 games per season. In the last 4 years he’s played just 44 games (11 games per season), 15 of those 44 starts in 2018 alone (34%). In the three years preceding last season, he played in just 29 games, averaging (9.6 games per season). This is the primary reason we released him.
At this point, 2018 is an anomaly, and while it is possible that he will remain healthy as he ages, the odds suggest this was an outlier and he will return to his previous averages.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
https://youtu.be/hy-3bb1Nqy0That’s totally fair.
Maybe it’s just the Browns (and I rarely watch other games, even the playoffs), but for whatever reason it had seemed to me like DBs who stay healthy for a whole season are in the minority. Especially with the newer concussion rules. Chasing down and changing directions with elite WRs while alone being expected to hold your own tackling TEs and RBs who can have nearly 100lbs on you isn’t easy on the body.
You bring up an interesting point about the size disparity, and that is why I would rather see us pursue a 6’1” 203lb corner in the mold of Patrick Peterson or 6’1” 208lb Jalen Ramsey who have started all 16 games every year of their careers than resigning Haden.
818 mph. 13,723 feet. 3 second burn.
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