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4 days later and I’m still mad enough to give Ronnie Harrison a goat.
He caught a put at like the 12 or 13, and it was bouncing towards the goal line. Could’ve pinned them within the 5. An absolute BONEHEAD move.
Those empty backfield calls!!! I think they all worked well, but I still criticized them. I just don’t see how a team with Chubb, Hunt, D’Ernest, and an immobile qb should ever come out with an empty backfield
I would’ve accepted the Cade York goat IF he’d given one to any DBs at all. They have Corey Davis a free 6 points, and it’s the 2nd week in a row they’ve done it!! If not for Cade York, the backfield would’ve handed us an 0-2 record. They gave up 13 points in 1:25 to a team with no timeouts and Joe Flacco, and somehow he gave York a goat over them.
Also, the Soup “we need to replace him” knee jerk overreaction set me off.
Cade York? Watch football idiot. Kickers miss all the time.
The browns play 1% defense and that miss is completely irrelevant.
How tf you giving York a goat and not Cooper for getting outmuscled for the ball, or a single DB for not covering Davis? Or Wilson at the end?
It’s kind of weird, but this almost makes him feel less guilty, if you get my meaning.
Like, now instead of saying they looked at it once, you can say they looked at it twice and didn’t see enough evidence for an indictment.
The reality is the 2 grand juries only consider 9 and 1 of the claims made against him, respectively. And his innocence wasn’t determine, just a lack of evidence.
But from a purely PR standpoint, I feel like this actually helps Watsons reputation.
So the Browns told Mayfield’s agents that they would be pursuing a top tier QB and that could eventually include Watson. I guess he expected to be told everything they were doing which I don’t think is necessary.
ESPN article
What are your thoughts? Should they have informed him they were flying to Houston? Why or why not?So, this is exactly the way every media outlet is reporting it. They’re clearly reporting what Cleveland wants them to report, because they’re leaving out:
Cleveland’s front office said the wanted to move on from Baker EVEN IF they couldn’t get Watson.
Cleveland’s front office said they wanted “an adult” at the position (implying Baker is not one).
Those 2 things, I believe, are the major reasons why Baker is requesting a trade. They literally shit on Baker while they were interviewing Watson, then spun it like Baker was just upset that they were interviewing Watson, ignoring that they shit on him in the process.
I don’t think anybody, ANYBODY, has a problem with the compensation they’re talking about for the talent upgrade Watson would be over Baker.
It 100% comes down to the off-field stuff. Which is 22 accusations of sexual misconduct. It’s tough to support a guy like that. I haven’t looked into it enough to know all the details, but I know it’s enough that I’d rather have Baker over Watson.
Now, add in that we’re almost certainly not getting Watson, and we’re going to lose Baker in the process, I don’t know how you can call it anything but a shit show.
The rumor I just saw is that if we sign Watson, it’ll cost us this and next years firsts. Then we trade Baker to the Colts for their 1st next year.
I think Baker gets at least a first.
Austin Hooper is now reportedly being released as well. I assumed this was coming the moment we tagged Njoku. Still sucks.
FYI, I do agree with letting these 3 go. I love them, but they weren’t playing up to their contracts. It makes sense to try to get more out of your money.
I just don’t, at the moment, see the overall plan. And the Watson/Baker situation is in a tailspin.
Ok, I don’t understand why people are baggin on him for injuries. According to NFL.com he’s played at least 14 games every year of his career.
I’m going to call that BS. Right there with people bagging on Jarvis for injuries, even though he never missed a start in his career prior to 2021.
I like the trade, but dude is lazy. Landry us way better. Going to be another premaddona who exposes Mayfield as a bad qb.
I have heard he takes plays off, though I can say that I’ve seen it.
I do know he’s not a premadonna. He isn’t even on Twitter. They drafted CeeDee Lamb to replace him, and he never made a peep. And his route running is among the best in the league. Everything I’ve seen says he’s always where he’s supposed to be.
The biggest knock on him seems to be his injury history.
We only signed him to a 1 year deal last year, so is going to be a free agent anyway.
Obviously, we could have resigned him had this not happened, but we’re not exactly out anything by him getting arrested. It just takes a familiar name out of the free agent pool, so to speak.
Like others have said, Stefanski tries to outsmart the other team every f’n play. So, the opposing DC knows if he stacks the box, Stefanksi won’t run into that front. So they can use their formation to effectively take our best player out of the game.
Stefanski showed as much during the last drive on Monday. He ran Nick Chubb on that drive. Even the commentator was like “Nows NOT the time to be using Nick Chubb!” But they were playing pass so Stefanski called a run play. It’s so fucking frustrating, I can’t even adequately put it into words.
I don’t buy all that Soup. Stefanski has had an insane number of opportunities to bench Mayfield this year, and he’s insisted every time that Baker is the QB. Coaches don’t do that for players they hate.
The whole game was f’ing bizarre. Stefanski said after the game Chubbs runs got hurt early. Ok, if that’s true, why keep playing him at all? I can understand pulling him if he’s hurt, but running him less? Makes absolutely no sense.
And that still doesn’t explain why D’Ernest didn’t get more carries, if Chubb was hurt.
Giving Watt free rein to terrorize Hudson? Why?
They never attempted to move Baker outside the pocket at all, even though he showed late in the game that his mobility is good. They didn’t attempt any quick throws to keep the pass rush off balance.
I honestly don’t know. I’m at a complete loss this morning. I cannot process what I witnessed last night.
Postponement also got us Wyatt Teller, Anthony Schwartz and Takk McKinley yesterday. So it did help a little.
More tested positive today:
Troy Hill
John Johnson
Malik McDowell
Ifeadi OdenigboJust in case you thought our def was wasn’t dicked as well.
That’s 11 starters on the Covid list, as of now. By my math, that’s half.
Ice, it was a minimum of 10 days last year, as there was no vaccine, and all players had the same set of rules to follow.
It’s a minimum of 10 days for players that are not vaccinated. Vaccinated players have no minimum, but they need to have 2 consecutive negative tests at least 24 hours apart.
Also, Stefanski tested positive today. Preorder will take over HC duties during the game, and Alex Van Pelt will call plays for the offense. Soup should be excited.
The game is Saturday, and I haven’t seen anybody this season come back in the same week after a positive covid test. They’re out. We’ll be lucky if we get Njoku back, at this point.
Contract year for Mayfield.
Hypothetically his 18.5 in cap space could be whiped out if he was to treaded.
Or a new QB could just sit a yearWell likely be picking around 14-17 range, too soon to know for sure. Rather than take the 2nd/3rd best qb prospect in a weak class, I’d take Garrett Wilson if he’s there and give Baker every chance to succeed.
I agree completely. The pump fake on the screen pass where he ultimately ended up fumbling stood out to me the most. The play was there, years 1-3 Baker let’s it rip, but he pulled it down.
I think his injuries have hurt his accuracy, and now he doesn’t have confidence in himself to make throws he used to make without thinking. I still think he can be the guy going forward, I just don’t know that we’re going to see it this year anymore.
Absolutely Ice. Soups over the edge.
I do, though, want an eleven page single spaced explanation from Stefanski on how in the name of Zeus’s butthole do you fuck up the number of guys on the field on 3 consecutive plays. How. After a timeout. HOW.
Supposed to say “illegal shift”. Autocorrect jumped the gun on that one. Would’ve been right 99 times out of a hundred, though.
Some are BS, but the pre-snap illegal shit and illegal formation penalties…there’s no excuse for it in year 2 and at this point in the season.
I still believe in Stefanski. But his play along this year has been much worse than last, and his handling of injuries has been suspect. I know we need to win games, but Wills and Mayfield have both been out there when they should’ve been on the sidelines resting. Meanwhile, Chubb is playing but being treated like he’s hurt.
Also, fire Joe Woods.
He never should have left Baker in there, it was clear as hell he was too hurt to be playing. And Stefanski needs to take every fucking empty backfield call out of his playbook. We have the of the best running games in the league and he removes it as a threat before the ball is even snapped.
Really agree with that article, Soup. Joe woods seeems to do the same thing every week. If the D Line over powers the O Line, it works. If not, it’s shit. No in between. No reason they should be as bad and inconsistent as they are with the talent they have.
Regarding Stefanski, on the last lines is perfect. “Instead of being smart, he tries to be clever.” This times 1000. He tries to call the perfect play for the situation instead of the perfect play for our personnel.
Soup, you get a goat for giving out goats in a 41-16 shit pumping on the road, against a divisional opponent.
Also, DPJ gets a gameball for the 60 yard dime, and for holding on to bakers throw on the last TD drive, even though he got absolutely drilled in the dome. The refs somehow saw the hit to take him out and check for a concussion, but couldn’t throw a flag. Huh? (Btw, I know us would’ve been like a 3/4 yard penalty, they still should’ve called it.)
I want to believe this, but I have to ask…how do you know?
I’m not being sarcastic at all, I’m genuinely curious if there’s someway you can tell from body language or something. How do you know what route is called and what route he runs?? Because without know thing, this seems like all conjecture.
Terrible trade terrible contract. Bright side?
Andrew Berry is attempting one hell of a chess move to reduce the Browns salary obligation to OBJ.
Reports are they are converting part of OBJs salary to a signing bonus. So, the browns pay him MORE up front, but it increase the likleyhood OBJ gets claimed, which would mean the Browns would be off the hook for the remainder of his salary this season.
So, he had 8 million remaining in salary. If the browns cut him, they pay all 8 unless he gets claimed, in which case they pay him nothing. That’s not likely becuase he’s clearly not worth 8 mil right now.
Instead, they convert, say, 6 mil to a signing bonus and give it to him now. Then a team that claims him only has to pay 2 mil, and if that happens, the browns save 2 million.
Now, OBJ really has no reason to WANT to be claimed, so my guess is the Browns would have to throw in some extra money to make the rework happen, so they’d actually end up paying him 6.5-7 million, and he’d have a salary of 2 million, so he ends up making an extra .5 – 1 million this year.
BUT BUT BUT, increasing the likely hood he gets claimed also increases the likely hood he goes to a BAD team at the top of the waiver order and not a contender.
If it works out like I outlined above, Andrew Berry deserves a damn award.
Him being injured and unavavlable more and more as the seasons progress.
HE’S HAD ONE INJURY HIS ENTIRE FUCKING CAREER.
Look right now the narrative and the facts say Jarvis is a declining player on a massive contract.
I said his contract is more than he’s worth. Always has been.
But the rest of your post? I don’t give a damn about the narrative. Give me facts that say a 28 year old player is declining. 1 bad game is an anomaly, not declining.
Jarvis Landry is 28 years old, and this year marks the first time he’s missed any games in his career. Nothing you said about him is in any way true.
He may not be worth his contract, but it’s not becuase he has declined in any way. One terrible game does not define a career.
Keenum’s 5.7 ypa, compared to Bakers 8.5 ypa.
That’s the difference between Derek Carr and Davis Mills currently.
Keenum was ok, but it was clear he’s no Baker. And keenum is one of the best backup QBs in the league. There’s no argument that if he plays well it somehow takes away from Baker. That’s just ludicrous.
Game ball to the Wills and Hance. Wills playing less than 100%. Miller called out the tackles during the week. Hance played LT on Sunday, then RT last night.
All week you heard about the tackles, who would play and who wouldn’t, how they would hold up. Come game time, guess who you didn’t hear about? The tackles. Played really well and they’re a big reason we’re 4-3 and not 3-4.
If they keep a backup fullback over D’Ernest Johnson, I’ll personally drive to Berra and punch Andrew Berry in the face.
Remembered this conversation this morning, for some reason, lol. Very glad I didn’t have to punch Berry in the face.
Just for reference, Stefanksi would have to lose the next 162 games to have the same winning percentage as Hue Jackson.
Stefanski is 15-8 (including playoffs) as a head coach and play caller. Sure, he has a share of blame in yesterday’s loss. He also has a share of credit for those 15 wins.
You didn’t even criticize him for the correct call. There was NOTHING wrong with passing on 2nd down, assuming you’re talking about when there were 3 minutes left. The chargers had a couple timeouts, we needed a couple 1st downs to runout the clock. If they run there instead of passing, it changes NOTHING because LA just uses another timeout. They scored with a minute and a half left. It wasn’t a struggle for them.
The bad call was the draw on 3rd. After passing on 2nd, you’ve got to throw it on 3rd to try to get the 1st. You can’t expect a draw to pick up 10 yards. That call was, dare I say, Kitchensian.
Sou, you Stefanskis offense put up 42 points and you called him a shit play caller and gave home a goat. You’ve really outdone yourself.
It is weird though, Baker has been hitting a LOT of guys this week and last who ARENT LOOKING FOR THE BALL. Does that seem weird to anybody else? Like, I know it happens, but I can’t ever remember it happening as frequently as it has been happening with Baker this week and last. Thoughts? Am I crazy?
I’m all about baker, but you can’t put that on OBJ today. Odell had a walk in TD and Baker hit the DB in the helmet. ALL DAY his passes were wild.
I don’t know if it’s his shoulder or what, but it looks bad. Hopefully he comes out next week throwing fire, because today was terrible to watch.
Also, Money McLaughlin deserves a gameball. Hit a another big one to go up 7. And Hunt. He’s played his ass off the last two weeks.
He smiled and said “we’ll see” when asked today if he’s playing on sunday. HAVE to assume that means he’ll play.
Also, Davis was signed to the practice squad. While he could still be moved to the active roster before game time, I would think they would have signed him to the roster right away if they weren’t confident in OBJ.
He does, but he actually played well last week. The fumble was Chubb. The muffed punt was on Gillan. I’m not faulting Baker for the pick because it was a fluke thing. Wasn’t a bad decision or a bad throw, just an absolute fluke shoe string grab that moved the ball off target.
His overarching point is valid: that standard is raised.
But, it’s so laced with subtle Baker hate, I almost couldn’t listen to it. He had to point out, for no reason, that the Browns were the only team with 2 lineman ranked in the top 10. He made out like the Browns schedule is really easy, its not. They have around the 9th hardest in the league, though we do have 3 very winnable games coming up.
The whole rant is just laced with qualifiers to filter out anything good Baker does (becuase Colin knows he will play well) and focus in on the hardest situations.
Add Khaderal Hodge to the list of cuts. I doubt he makes it to the practice squad, but it could happen.
Oh, I see you cut Janovich. Yeah, that’s not happening. If I had to pick somebody to get rid of to keep Johnson and Janovich, I’d say Hance maybe. But No way Stanton makes it over Janovich.
If they keep a backup fullback over D’Ernest Johnson, I’ll personally drive to Berra and punch Andrew Berry in the face.
Have to figure in their contracts. Higgins has a 1 year deal worth 2.38 mil, fully guaranteed.
Hubbard took a pay cut, but will still make $4.9 mil in 2021, with a $3.6 mil cap savings if he’s cut.
Obviously contracts aren’t the end all be all, but I’d say if Hudson proves serviceable, Hubbard is gone. And Higgins will almost certainly make the roster.
So, I heard Mike Tannenbaum talk on some radio show yesterday, and he said Baker was at best the 7th best qb in the AFC, then got called out on it. So he listed the better ones, and his list was| Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Tannehill (questionable), Herbert (too soon, I think), and … Carson Wentz.
I laughed out loud when he said Wentz. Nobody in the NFL today would take Wentz over Baker as their starter. What a joke.
He also said Baker is “objectively short and slow,” which just proves that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about because Bakers not slow, and he still has no idea how to evaluate QBs because neither of those things matter when you’re throwing a football.
I just think all 3 other teams had perfect opportunities to pick OTs and fill massive holes, and they instead opted for the flashy skill position guys. And that’s just not the way to win in the NFL.
Saw 2 things on him today. In 451 coverage snaps he has given up 1 TD. Last year on 3rd/4th down QBs had a 0.0 passer rating towards him.
I don’t understand the speed concern in the report as he ran a 4.38 40
As much as I wanted them to take a LBer in round 1 – as that’s by far our biggest weakness — this pick has made my faith in the front office even stronger as they aren’t reaching and still grabbing a need. 0 LBers were taken after our pick. that’s a great sign. Here’s to hoping for more defense today.Sums up my thoughts perfectly. I’m just going to second this.
Also, I feel like the browns nailed their pick, while the other 3 teams in the AFC North did not.
