Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
It would go over VERY poorly. That would be about the worst way to explain it to them. No matter what words you use, I don’t think they’d be excited to hear them. It’s a policy a huge number of them will disagree with. That sucks, but that’s life. When I was a waiter we used to be able to grab a fountain drink any time we wanted, until management…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
Demand is a very strong force. For example 10 years ago you could find confederate flags for sale on Amazon by the dozens. Now they’re gone. They are not illegal, but they are highly frowned upon. Another perfect example is the Rosanne firing. The government didn’t do that, capitalism did that.
No one is forcing these players to take a job with…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
But I think we disagree on kneeling for the anthem.
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
I didn’t draw a moral equivalency, I drew a business equivalency. I don’t believe I’ve made any comments in this thread about the morals of kneeling for the anthem, but I’m too lazy to check.
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
I’m pretty sure I just proved that’s not true. Nice straw man argument though…
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
And just to hit the point home, ABC fired Rosanne after she went loopy on Twitter. She has every right to say whatever she wants on twitter, and ABC has every right to fire her for it. She damaged her public image and would have damaged ABC’s image with a percentage of the population if they had done nothing.
Having freedom means accepting the…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
I think the disconnect is that the people who openly support vets are the same people that are insulted by the act of kneeling before the flag. Had Drew Brees kneeled for the 22 vets per day that commit suicide, vets would say ‘thanks for the thoughts, but find a better way to bring it to the forefront because you’re offending veterans by not…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
You’re wrong. Like I said I don’t care what the cause is, if it is divisive to my customers then you’re not gonna be allowed to do it at work.
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
And those businesses that were racist in the 50’s either changed their terrible ways or went out of business.
I am only saying that the NFL can regulate what a player does when they’re ‘clocked in’. They can tell a player exactly what socks to wear on game day, they have no control over what socks they wear any other time. They can tell a…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
I look at it from a business point of view. If I own a business and some of my employees do something on the clock that rubs a significant portion of the population the wrong way, I make them stop doing it. I don’t care the politics of it. It doesn’t matter to me whether I agree with what they’re doing or not. I tell them to find another way to…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic Bunch of fools in cleveland in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
That’s a much stronger position than just blaming everything on the coach. So we fired the coach’s boss (the guy who put together the talent-less roster) and many of the players. Maybe the coach should be fired too, who knows. I guess we’ll find out this season.
Ice replied to the topic Browns Offered 35th Pick For Foles in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
I’m happy they decided on a worth for him and stuck to it. 35th overall. Not 33rd, not the 35th and a 7th. He’s worth the 35th overall pick and not a deflated football more.
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
Also MDP you get +41 internets.
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
Technically this has nothing to do with freedom. The government isn’t arresting them for their protests. The NFL is a company and they have the right to set conditions for employment. Don’t like what the NFL says? Get a job somewhere else.
The problem I have is that the NFL has a legal monopoly on American Football, thanks to an anti-trust…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
Basically if you don’t want to stand respectfully you have the choice to stay in the locker room. According to an anonymous owner standing with one fist in the air is not standing respectably.
No word yet on whether it is respectable to pump that one fist during the Anthem.
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
Here’s what they ended up with.
“All team and league personnel on the field shall stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem.”
“The Game Operations Manual will be revised to remove the requirement that all players be on the field for the Anthem.”
Personnel who choose not to stand for the Anthem may stay in the locker room or in a similar…Ice replied to the topic Bunch of fools in cleveland in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
If your performance at work was terrible then yeah you should get fired. Who else should get fired though… your supervisor who had nothing to do with hiring you and tried to make you the best employee he could, or his boss the manager who saw your awful resume, hired you anyway, and set you both up to fail?
Ice replied to the topic NFL discussing Flag for Kneeling during Anthem in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
Of course they’re discussing it. This has been a huge issue for the NFL. To add to what @dude said, the first time they throw a flag for Kneeling they better bring 100 flags to the next game because every player will kneel.
Ice replied to the topic Bunch of fools in cleveland in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
8 wins… You want him to win TRIPLE the number of wins we’ve had in the last 4 years COMBINED before you decide he’s not a loser. That’s a high bar, but you’re entitled to your opinion and I understand the anger. I have the same anger but I direct it towards other people, mainly Haslam. Remember winning? In 2014 we were 7 and 4 and that’s when…[Read more]
Ice replied to the topic Bunch of fools in cleveland in the forum Browns Forum 7 years, 11 months ago
@dude is there a win total this year that would change your mind?
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