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Yeah been the big Browns fan since grade school. The Watson trade was bad, The Woods D. is a excellent scheme with a bad leader. KS’s scheme is run centric WCO is my favorite offensive scheme in football. His play calling and leadership haven’t produced.
AB is a good guy but a C+ GM when it comes to the draft. See 3 misses on defensive tackles thus far and 1 out of 3 in drafting LB’s, 1 out of 4 on WR’s thus far.
I so don’t want a clean sweep again. But thats where this train wreck is heading.Unfortunately I see this going the same way. No draft picks anytime soon, not a lot of trade capital, and it’s always tough to get free agents here… it’s going to be tough for any GM to improve this roster in the near future.
Been a great run over the years, bud. Thanks for taking Dune’s community and keeping it alive, giving us a great place to vent and cheer on Sundays. It’s been the first place I come running to every week after every game, and especially after even the smallest move in the off-season.
I’m in basically the same boat, I can’t really pull for this organization anymore after they bent over for someone like Watson, and it’s just not in my character to jump on the bandwagon of another team, so I’m basically just going to enjoy my Sundays with my family and not obsess over the TV.
Cleveland is a great city, getting better everyday, and has a fantastically run basketball team and an exceptionally well run baseball team. Life’s too short for the one franchise which can’t get out of its own way.
We’ll always have that time Ben Gay picked up his own fumble and made an incredible run down field only to fumble again. We’ll also always have the great times laughing at Quinnfan or whatever his name was and his meltdowns, Tree boasting about his pickup games, and all the other weirdos over the years. I wonder if the junkie dude who was always great conversation and fascinating punctuation is still with us and I hope he is and is doing well. Oh yeah and that guy who always claimed to have inside scoops which were just wild guesses!!
Anyhow, it’s been real. Nothing but love, best of luck.
I think the clause that he can only use massage therapists whom the Browns select for him, and only in facilities they supervise is a complete admission that they know he’s an untrustworthy piece of shit and is totally guilty.
This is a slap on the wrist and completely disappointing.
Via RAINN, the largest anti-sexual violence group in the country, of every 1,000 cases of sexual assault, only 310 are reported to police, and of those, only 50 lead to an arrest, and 28 of those end in a conviction. Add in a famous, multi millionaire athlete and those numbers are probably significantly lower. The victims have to relive their traumas everyday in court, and in these cases would likely have their names go public, potentially ruining their professional careers as well as subjecting them to harassment from sports fans (and by that I don’t mean anyone in this room, who are all of high esteem. I mean the same crowd who send Baker’s wife death threats after a loss. I can’t even peep at Browns Twitter, I’ll bet it’s terrifying right now).
Here’s a really long, detailed, and impeccably researched article, a great starting point to make your own judgement.
It was a good run, but I don’t know how I can cheer for an unrepentant sexual predator, and those three first rounders are going to tank us
Hopefully the front office likes Kirk Cousins as a starter.
Not exactly artfully done, was it.
As good as our front office is at finding talented players, they don’t seem to be very good at managing them once they’re here. They seem to have smoothed things over with Njoku, which is a good sign, but I get the vibe that our personnel office are just a bunch of number crunching robots who don’t know how to talk to humans.
I don’t know enough about Watson’s problems to know whether I hate him or not. I guess if we sign him then I’m gonna have to read the allegations, which doesn’t sound like a fun way to spend an afternoon.
There’s 22 of them, so make sure you have a full afternoon off. And his lawyer basically admitted they’re true.
^100% agree with Dude.
If the reports from Mortenson that the Browns said “they need an adult at QB” while pursuing Watson are true, that’s absolutely disgusting.
If I had just started watching the NFL last season, I’d totally think we needed to upgrade.
Honestly, I’m starting to think he’s better off elsewhere. Dude fought hard every down he played, put up good numbers and got us our first playoff win in 25 years and almost knocked off the Chiefs to get us to the Championship game. That’s probably better than this garbage organization deserves.
These moves have Haslam’s fingerprints all over them. We had an off year because of a pandemic and an assload of injuries, but now we’re just making panic moves and ruining the core of a solid franchise which had taken years to build up. Cutting Tretter was complete idiocy, our entire offense is built between the tackles.
If they trade for Watson, I think that’s probably the last straw for me as a fan.
We also had Glenn Cook, our vice president of player personnel, get an interview with Minnesota and Chicago.
Love getting the extra picks, as well.Hell yeah. We have a damn good organization, and clearly the league is watching.
We also had two very convincing wins over this year’s AFC champs. Better luck with injuries, patch the holes in our D line, find a #1 receiver, and we’re right back in it.
That’s amazing news for us, and a great look for our front office as well. Usually we’re the ones scouting other teams for a GM, good to see the worm had turned.
Dude apparently had a very normal workout at his neighborhood gym, then just walked out of the locker room and onto the street nude and all this happened.
Apparently he sustained a massive head injury in a motorcycle accident a few years ago, maybe he’s just taken one too many hits to the head since then. If that’s the case I’m just glad he didn’t hurt himself or anyone else and gets the help he needs.
None of that helps how fucked we are on the defensive line right now. Obviously they aren’t the same position, but Clowney’s asking price likely just went up.
He supposedly was furious about the playcalling and lack of offensive philosophy this season and wants assurances that it’s going to change before next year. It doesn’t sound like he’s pulling a “me or him” with Stefanski, at least not verbatim.
Sounds like I’m in an extreme minority here; I believe playcalling has been awful lately and also believe it can be fixed.
Stefanski has the work ethic and intellect to pore over every decision he’s made this offseason. I think he’ll have obscene amounts of statistics that will show that his brand of playcalling was fantastic when it was new but had diminishing returns as the league got more experienced with it.
He has to learn to trust his players. When the defense is in a heavy front to stop the run, Stef ‘outsmarts’ them by going to a pass play. THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. We need to run into that heavy front, because they can’t stop us. I don’t care if they have 10 guys on the line. Run the ball into it. THEY CAN’T STOP US. We have the best interior O-line in football and the best running backs. I don’t care if they put 11 d-linemen on the field, run the ball. THEY CAN’T STOP US.
THAT is what Stefanski is missing.I totally agree with the latter, he’s coaching one of the most talented teams in the NFL as though we’re an underdog. We should be setting the pace and forcing the opposition to adjust to us, not vice versa. We have zero identity.
Could be AVP got the vibe he was going to be a scapegoat after the season. Or that Stefanski is on the outs.
Van Pelt is fine but nothing special.
You’re losing me on the conspiracy stuff, that would be beyond an Urban Meyer level of pettiness.
But I agree that Stefanski is garbage. He was fantastic when he was new, but once opponents got some tape and studied his tendencies he’s shown no ability to adapt.
I’d be shocked if there wasn’t some noise from Chubb’s agent this off-season. Nick should be contending for the rushing title and in the MVP race. That’s never happening here.
Counter point for Baker is that you already have 59 games worth of film to evaluate him on. He’s playing hobbled, and it’s very likely a some of the supporting players are going to start phoning it in. Is there really anything new to be learned in one last game with the Steelers and then against the Bengals backups?
Baker has clearly not been himself since the injury, and Stefanski should have forced him to sit from the game he separated his shoulder up until at least after the bye week. He’s always been very accurate on all of his throws, and clearly can’t hit his spots this year.
I’ve really gotten an “inmates running the asylum” vibe from the Browns this year. I think our young roster outgrew Stefanski pretty quickly, and he doesn’t have the capacity to manage all the egos
Honestly, we’re down like 16 players and probably still doesn’t even make the top ten list of worst lineups the Browns have fielded in the past 20 years.
I’m weirdly excited for this one.
Sounds like postponement didn’t change much. We get Josh Johnson back, buy that’s about it. Go Nick Mullens!
The league just said definitively they won’t postpone the game.
“because fuck the Browns” they said under their breath.
Yup. Can’t catch a fucking break, we were set up perfectly to take first place this week, too.
Time for the backups to step up, I guess.
Oof, yeah.
If it was exposure (and assuming they’re vaccinated), they’d be able to come back if they tested negative twice. But since they’ve tested positive today, they’d pretty much need to magically test negative tomorrow and again on Friday. So basically zero chance.
MDP you read my mind about Brees. In fact I’d say Mayfield’s play style is almost a carbon copy of Brees.
He is beat the fuck up. You don’t let go of a guy just because he is beat the fuck up unless he doesn’t have toughness.In terms of size they’re very close, and their footwork is eerily similar as well. Both have fantastic accuracy and arms which are bigger than you’d assume from the types of throws they make. Both Brees and Mayfield are very patient at working through their progressions, and move very well in the pocket. They both seem more likely to spread the ball around and just find the open man on any given play, as opposed to QBs like Manning or (later career) Brady who prefer to develop immaculate chemistry with a particular receiver and trust them to get open.
This seems eerily reminiscent of when Drew Brees got hurt and San Diego decided they were better off moving on. They also had the benefit of a #1 pick with a generational prospect available, which we do not in this case.
Baker is beaten to shit and Stefanski can’t call plays to save his life. Giving up on him in these circumstances is insanity.
100% agree, that’s just disrespectful. Liked sit down, read through the roster with the production team, make notes on the names that trip you up. Takes maybe 10 minutes. Especially inexcusable for former players.
See, none of that bothers me. Coaches always say “keep it in the locker room”, and he did. Obviously I’d rather have a refund on the draft picks we traded.
If anything, I’m more angry at Stefanski and Berry for letting it get to this point. If OBJ wanted out this badly now, there’s zero chance they didn’t know this was coming a year ago when we could have gotten something in return.
Plus, now Garrett is missing a practice due to speaking out against his coach. It’s not a great look, from the outside. I think Stefanski and Berry might be in over their heads, with this suddenly star-studded locket room. I’m worried they’re too green to handle all the egos.
This whole situation is confusing, to be honest. The locker room loves him, Baker seems to have no ill wishes towards OBJ, and he penned a very nice thank you letter towards the fans. He clearly wanted out, but I’ve read nothing about the usual “diva player wants out of town” behavior regarding Odell, no threatening to go home, causing trouble behind the scenes, getting in coaches faces or pulling some bullshit on the field. And everything I’ve read or heard about him is that he’s just not that guy.
It’s probably a strictly monetary decision, and he wants to put up some numbers to get one last big payday. I think he very calmly used what leverage to put him in a place for that to happen.
Both the Browns and OBJ are probably better off on the field having gone their separate ways, and I honestly wish him the best whenever he’s not on the opposite sideline.
Huge fan of Johnson, I’m so glad we kept him for another season. He could start for a lot of teams.
He just doesn’t have the acceleration and breakaway speed of Chubb, nor the elite route-running and hands of Hunt. He can definitely keep the defense honest and put up 100 yards any day, he’s just not a threat to take over a game.
Hope he proves me wrong, there!
Plus, as stated above he’ll be sans backup.
Gameballs to our entire secondary, particularly Ward and Hill
Chubb looked like he was playing against a high school defense. This team is obviously way better with Hunt bringing the 1-2 punch, but it’s good to see Chubb have the opportunity for stats once in a while.
Gameball to the coaching, up by three scores in the 4th and our defense stayed aggressive and our offense kept attacking.
Goat to Berry and Stefanski for the OBJ situation. I don’t fault the for getting rid of him, and this team is definitely better off. However, letting the situation get to the embarrassing point where it ended up is a failure of both coaches and the front office. They should have seen this coming and reached a more amicable separation long it got to this point.
The local news interviewed an orthopedic surgeon, and (while they didn’t have first hand knowledge of Mayfield’s injury or access to his records) they said the combination of injuries is extremely dangerous, and every time his shoulder pops back out of the socket before it’s completely healed there’s a strong chance it can cause permanent damage by chipping at the bone, and that could be career shortening.
So basically, the Browns have some serious thinking to do. Making a Superbowl run this year, but potentially sacrificing long term success to get it.
I agree with everything you just said, except for the racist stuff.
Lol, do you have any idea how many times I just had to re-read my post? Well played, dick.
It would probably send the wrong message to the locker room, but I almost think they should force Baker to sit out Thursday. Let him get a full two weeks rest his shoulder, hopefully have a few more players back and healthy when we play a stretch of games against our division. I don’t see any reason to throw him into a situation where he’s going to try and be a hero against an extremely stingy Broncos defense, take a bunch of sacks and have no run game.
Yeah, they need to get healthy. That’s really all there is to it. This offense is built around a strong offensive line and a running game. Minus two running backs and three tackles, it’s going to look like yesterday more often than not. Add in a one armed QB missing his favorite target…brutal.
The latest reports are that Landry will not be activated for tomorrow’s game.
Hunt is listed as active, which is great. I’m glad we still have D’Ernest on the roster, he’s been a great stand in.
Amazing news, however they just announced Chubb is out. Hopefully that’s just the one game.
Kyler is going to be a great test for the new, fast defense. Running QBs gave us fits, the past couple of seasons.
Unbelievably bad officiating. Our secondary couldn’t catch a break.
What the hell was with the play calling on that last drive? We needed big chunks of yards, we burnt out the clock dinking and dunking our way to 12 yards, and then launched up jump balls looking for penalty calls.
Baker’s accuracy definitely looks off, and the shoulder seems like the most obvious culprit. It’s less decision making (although he missed that one easy read on a third down to the running back in the flat) and more that his passes are a foot or two off.
That pass rush, though. We’re getting consistent pressure, this week against a great offensive line, and we don’t even have to blitz to do it.Baker overthinking it with OBJ in the game. We trade him and things get normal again. There’s some weird mental block. Are the coaches talking about the need to get OBJ the ball too much instead of dictated by coverage? I feel like most routes overall are garbage since OBJ came back. Designed to get it to him solely.
As for the DL. Clowney was a complete wrecking ball yesterdayDon’t forget, Baker also lost his most reliable outlet in Landry. That’s a big factor as well.
Baker’s accuracy definitely looks off, and the shoulder seems like the most obvious culprit. It’s less decision making (although he missed that one easy read on a third down to the running back in the flat) and more that his passes are a foot or two off.
That pass rush, though. We’re getting consistent pressure, this week against a great offensive line, and we don’t even have to blitz to do it.
Dude. Duuuuuuude. That is absolutely amazing, and I was wondering why the Panthers were good all of a sudden. Congrats!
It would be amazing if OBJ could come back, he must be damn close. Playing for the first time on a surgically repaired ACL must be scary as fuck, though, so I get why he and the Browns have been cautious. Practice is one thing, but safeties will be going low on him right off the whistle, trying to get him mentally off his game.
Woods tries to get way too cute with Myles, dropping him into coverage or having him set the edge. #95 needs to have his ears pinned back every play to rush the QB.
That seems pretty realistic. If I’m nitpicking I’d probably say one less offensive lineman and one more corner.
I think Johnson definitely makes the cut. He’s proven to be a great backup for Chubb and Hunt, he has years of experience and chemistry so if there’s an injury he can step right in even if he doesn’t get many reps, and more than anything he’s proven to be an excellent special teams player. The latter is what is getting him picked over anyone else.
I absolutely cannot believe how amazing our roster looks this year. JFC it’s turned around fast since the Sashi Brown era.
There’s significantly shortened quarantine protocols for vaccinate players. He’s pretty damn important to the team as a rookie and I don’t want to see him missing practice time.
Overall there’s a ton of incentives for teams to have high vaccination rates this year, it’s a no brainer at this point.
I like it. This team plays well with a chip on its shoulder. The Chiefs are one of the few teams in the league who would be heavily favored to beat us (they get a huge home field advantage). This is a great measuring stick right out of the gate.
I mostly agree, with a few exceptions:
RB: I have a hard time seeing them cut D’Ernest Johnson. He has done a fantastic job filling in, and is a great fit for our system. I think he’d have a good shot to compete for a starting job, on most any other team.
OT: I think they find a way to keep Hubbard, at least to start the season. He’s not a starter, but he’s shown to be a quality backup. Hudson is obviously their long term plan, but he’s very raw and I think he’ll have to really have a strong camp to make the Browns comfortable with him as their only backup tackle. Too much of their offense is dependant on great line play.
C: You think they’re giving up on Harris after one season? He was overpowered a bit filling in at guard, so maybe they don’t think he has enough versatility going forward.
LB: I think Wilson is out, and Malcom Smith sticks around. They’re on almost identical contracts, but Smith outplayed Wilson last year and brings some leadership to the linebacking corps.
CB: He’s said all the right things so far, but I wonder how Williams will react when Newsome is inevitably named the starter.
K: curious to see what happens if McCrane has a good camp.
Wilson was fantastic in 2019, is a fantastic leader, and plays a position of need for us. A lot of great athletes in every sport at every level had down years in 2020, it was an unprecedented year. Seems like a great kid to take a chance on.
LeCounte could be a really sneaky, good pick. Excellent college player, good high school recruit, fell because of a bad pro day. He doesn’t look slow on game film at all. That’s a good risk.
Fields is the same mold as Owusu-Koramoah, but even smaller. He plays fast, apparently tackles well against players larger than him, and fits the scheme. Maybe he can even play some safety in our 4-2-5 scheme. Worth rolling the dice.
Togiai is another undersized dude who plays larger on film. We need line help, and he probably has more upside if he can outplay his physical limitations.
Hudson I don’t get at all.